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post #1 of 14
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I need suggestions. We once again tried sending my girl away for breeding and that did not work out again. She just refuses if she is out of the home. Last time I breed her successfully we had the stud for about a month for her to get used to him before she came into heat and breed him. This time we decided to cut it closer and I got him last Sunday. She came into heat yesterday and has not had any time to really get used to him. How long does it usually take for a queen to acclimate to a new cat (same stud she breed before, I was hoping for a little recall). I put her in with him once and a huge cat fight commenced.

Today I came up with the idea of putting her in a carrier and putting that in with him so she couldn't fight but she could get used to his smells a little closer up. She was growling and acting mean but overall I think she was doing ok.

Its really important that she breeds on this heat but shes a very difficult cat to work with! I need ideas. How long does it usually take a queen to get used to a stud? Her heats usually last about 5-6 days.

My wedding is in 2.5 weeks and I was really hoping I'd have a pregnant cat instead of a cat in heat while the guests are here . Also I need to send the boy home before wedding stuff gets heavy. I know I can't make her breed but any suggestions to encourage it are highly needed!
post #2 of 14
maybe some calming music (lol..i was going to add candlelight and roses too)...I've been amazed by how a little classical music has worked wonders with my fosters during introductions, moving them etc. It might be that Meeka is sensing your stress, anxiety etc about this breeding as well. Maybe if you take a break, bubble bath and a glass of wine to relax (i'm sure with only 2.5 weeks to the wedding you could use that too!).

Best of luck...(and congratulations on your wedding!)
post #3 of 14
While we would like to decide who to breed and when, the cats have their own minds. Perhaps she is telling you she just does NOT want to breed. I know its disappointing when they won't cooperate, but perhaps there is a reason we just don't know.

IMO if my cat refused breeding or was difficult, then I think I'd retire them and spay/neuter and move on to another cat/breeder. Some cats are not cut out to be bred/mothers.
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45
IMO if my cat refused breeding or was difficult, then I think I'd retire them and spay/neuter and move on to another cat/breeder. Some cats are not cut out to be bred/mothers.
I'm coming to terms with this actually. I don't think she is going to be a good breeder, she is very obstinate. She would be a great mother, I saw that after she had her last litter but they were all just to early. I want to try to have one successfull litter with her so her line won't end (working with breeder to continue this line). Her sister is about to deliver so maybe it will work out.

Another reason I'm stressed about her breeding is she has skipped a number of heats already and I'm uncomfortable with her going longer. I will probably put her on some antibiotics anyway.
post #5 of 14
As mentioned before, nature is a smart creature that has it's way of bringing stuff into the surface.
What I'm trying to say is, a cat in heat who's ready to go will breed no matter where she is..
This is the basic reason why females are brought to males and not the other way around since males tend to get insecure in an unknown environment and will think twice before they allow themselves to mate. Females in heat however go through a body process that is far more deeper and meaningful to be effected by environmental issues. Her body, during the heat, is in one direction and it's to getting her pregnant. Unless the cat significantly passes on signals to her body, signals of danger or stressful situations, the body will adjust to anything and will have her mating.

If you want to encourage breeding, you need her to be in serious heat, you need to bring over to the highest point of heat and then bring her to a male located in his normal environment. Mating will happen very fast if heat is in the right level and yes, heats do come in different levels that indicate how much the body is ready.

You can't do anything in order to help but to make sure she's in a good environment and is as healthy as she can be.

Good luck.
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by Twinsen
As mentioned before, nature is a smart creature that has it's way of bringing stuff into the surface.
What I'm trying to say is, a cat in heat who's ready to go will breed no matter where she is..
This is the basic reason why females are brought to males and not the other way around since males tend to get insecure in an unknown environment and will think twice before they allow themselves to mate. Females in heat however go through a body process that is far more deeper and meaningful to be effected by environmental issues. Her body, during the heat, is in one direction and it's to getting her pregnant. Unless the cat significantly passes on signals to her body, signals of danger or stressful situations, the body will adjust to anything and will have her mating.

If you want to encourage breeding, you need her to be in serious heat, you need to bring over to the highest point of heat and then bring her to a male located in his normal environment. Mating will happen very fast if heat is in the right level and yes, heats do come in different levels that indicate how much the body is ready.

You can't do anything in order to help but to make sure she's in a good environment and is as healthy as she can be.

Good luck.
I have been reluctant to say anything, because the O.P. is being mentored by another bengal breeder, but since it's been brought up......you are 100% correct.
Especially for bengal breedings the female is always taken to the male's normal environment. Male bengals who are not in familiar surroundings will act agressively and give off vibes that are uncomfortable to females in heat.

My recommendation has always been to send the queen to the male's location at the first signs of heat or expected heat and let her become accustomed to the new place. Seasoned males will respect any fear and aggression from the female until she settles in...then they will mate.

As Goldenkitty45 pointed out, there are the rare occasions where the female is uncomfortable in any mating situation, so that it becomes an impossible situation. In those cases the female is best suited, spayed as a pet.
post #7 of 14
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I overreacted she is fine and breed today. Like I said. She will not breed when away. I brought her in full heat twice and she practically starved herself and refused breeding (I had to get her back as she was declining in health, she would not eat). You have to remember she is also an F3 and may not act completely like an SBT. She will not breed outside my home we have tried as that is very much preferred. Maybe I just pamper her to much.

Anyway she breed today. I think I was just acting very inexperienced and freaked out when she got really agressive with him.

Given this I still don't think future breeding with her will be reasonable. I'll have to wait and see. Also the breeder I work with is 3 hours away. I cant' even begin to say how stressed out I am. Its trying to do the wedding, cats, hockey (wonderful wedding gift but very time consuming), work... I'm beyond exhausted. Its like everything has to happen all at once. I wanted nothing more than to breed bengals but I think its becoming less and less reasonable. I'm just stetched to thin. At least it won't be a total loss as the breeder I work with can continue her line wiht a kitten.
post #8 of 14
I have a silver queen that is well over a year old and wont voluntarily breed either. I finally put her in with an experianced stud and kept her in there till he bred her. She fussed and cried and fought him off and he just persisted till he got her. She was very angry when he finally did get her and he hasn't been successfull in any other attempts(as far as I witnessed). Im hoping she took from the one successful attempt. Im tired of waiting!
Sometimes it just dosent work out though. If Meeka dosen't have any live litters soon, will the breeder you got her from give you another breeder cat? I hope so. It can be very frustrating, especially since you waited so long and now you are still waiting because it's not working out.
Maybe get an SBT instead of the F3 and then after a few successful litters try an F3 again.
I would also recommend that you bring home a really experianced stud. That makes a big difference sometimes. From what I recall, the stud is still very young too, right?

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Originally Posted by SolarityBengals
I overreacted she is fine and breed today. Like I said. She will not breed when away. I brought her in full heat twice and she practically starved herself and refused breeding (I had to get her back as she was declining in health, she would not eat). You have to remember she is also an F3 and may not act completely like an SBT. She will not breed outside my home we have tried as that is very much preferred. Maybe I just pamper her to much.

Anyway she breed today. I think I was just acting very inexperienced and freaked out when she got really agressive with him.

Given this I still don't think future breeding with her will be reasonable. I'll have to wait and see. Also the breeder I work with is 3 hours away. I cant' even begin to say how stressed out I am. Its trying to do the wedding, cats, hockey (wonderful wedding gift but very time consuming), work... I'm beyond exhausted. Its like everything has to happen all at once. I wanted nothing more than to breed bengals but I think its becoming less and less reasonable. I'm just stetched to thin. At least it won't be a total loss as the breeder I work with can continue her line wiht a kitten.
post #9 of 14
Whatever happens, I sincerely hope you can work it out. Planning a wedding is stressful enough! I declare I don't know how anyone ever gets married at all with all the pressure!
post #10 of 14
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Yes the stud is young but if we go older then he won't travel over here very well like what Kai said. I think being younger he really dosen't yet care about where he is as long as he gets to breed. The breeder I work with only has one other stud that is old enough to make her breed at her place and that is her father.

I wouldn't get another breeder since I actually co-own Meeka, Jennie owns breeding rights to help me get started (I would repay a kitten later if I continued to hold my own breeding rights). So if I spayed her I would be relieved of that obligation.

I'm definitely questioning continuing. Its in my heart but maybe I can contribute to the breed some other way. I'm thinking of setting up an informational web site and doing some research into the breed. I'm just so fascinated with these cats. Another reason why I'm not sure it will work out is I am going to continue working full-time and then go part-time for a Masters degree. This will leave me pretty limited and I'm afraid I would continue to over-stress myself. I won't make this decision final until after we have a litter though. I certainly can't handle any more heartbreak.

Meeka's sister lost her litter through not very good parenting . Oh I hope that won't be a problem. This line is proving difficult. Both of these scenarios with my loss and her sisters loss the breeder has never seen in all her years of breeding.
post #11 of 14
I would question the linage on these cats - something is wrong if they are having so many problems. Might be a case of too much inbreeding somewhere. For whatever reason, this linage is not a healthy one. The various combinations are not meshing together very well.
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45
I would question the linage on these cats - something is wrong if they are having so many problems. Might be a case of too much inbreeding somewhere. For whatever reason, this linage is not a healthy one. The various combinations are not meshing together very well.
I think it has more to do with the fact that these are Filial cats. Because they are hybred, the males are sterile and the females tend to be difficult to breed. It's the same with savannahs, but probably even more so.
To bad she didn't start with SBT, it's much easier with them.

Im sure you will make the right descision. Maybe try again later when your done with school.
post #13 of 14
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I think it has more to do with the fact that these are Filial cats. Because they are hybred, the males are sterile and the females tend to be difficult to breed. It's the same with savannahs, but probably even more so.
To bad she didn't start with SBT, it's much easier with them.
Yes I do believe this is the case. Foundation cats can be a challenge and breeders don't often advertise difficulties (honestly I feel this is the case with all breeds, nobody achieves 100% success all the time and occasionally complete failures occur). Also, first time moms can have problems and usually the second litter is fine. We have closure on the reason why Meeka lost her litter. My new vet is awesome. I won't get into it in this thread but she is 100% sure her second litter will go fine. My new vet breeds and is very familiar with breeding issues.

Also, F2's only go into heat about once a year and its a silent heat. Thats just one example of how different these cats can be as EG's. Luckily I don't have that issue with Meeka.

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Im sure you will make the right descision. Maybe try again later when your done with school.
Its a hard decision to make and I'm not saying all the details. It does not mean I don't love this breed just as much or want to help in its development. I think I just bit off more than I can chew.
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