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Appetite Loss, Vomitting & Diarrhea=Worried

post #1 of 21
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This morning my 7-week-old kitten showed no interest in eating breakfast or his usual midmorning meal--both very unusual for him. Late this afternoon he did go to his dish and eat but a few hours later came and found me, gave a few loud meow's, and then vomitted. I cleaned him up, got on the phone to the vet and while I was on hold he hopped into the litter box and had diarrhea. Looking back I think something was already up but I wonder if I didn't contribute since I forgot to pick up his dish with the KMR mashed into wet food and I think it would go after sitting out for a few hours. He also had a visit to the vet on Monday and I wonder if he didn't pick up something there.

He's been his normal self behavior-wise other than not being hungry. He's sleeping in a sheet in my lap right now and I'm thinking he's feeling puny. The vet told me to not give him anything else other than a little water and to drop him off first thing in the morning.
post #2 of 21
Pippen, it's possible the KMR spoiled. I went through this EXACT same thing when Steuben was 7 weeks old, except that Steub ate a portion of my adult cat's wet food, instead of his own kitten food. His tummy wasn't right for the night, and he was lethargic, and had diarrhea. He also wouldn't eat. You would be best to bring him in on an empty stomach tomorrow, and if you can do it, bring in one of the diarrhea stool samples for your vet. If you're afraid the diarrhea is SUPER bad, make a batch of homemade pedialyte solution, and administer it to him through a dropper...this may help with dehydration. Make sure he's kept warm and cozy. I do have to tell you, that after Steuben's tummy episode, he was MUCH better by the morning, in fact, he was back to himself. It's probably something fairly minor, so take him in and don't worry.
post #3 of 21
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Thanks wookie. The only other variable that I can think of is that yesterday seemed to be the end of when he wanted KMR with the dropper. He'd been backing down gradually but wasn't lapping up water so I started adding the KRM to the canned food. I have no idea if food was the culprit but I'm going to toss the can of food and KMR I have open just in case.

I was a little miffed that the vet's office didn't suggest getting the stool sample seeing as how I told the person on the phone that he'd had the loose stool while I was on hold. *I* was the one that asked if I should bring it in, thanks to something that stuck in my mind from a post I'd read here.
post #4 of 21
I would watch the kitten closely, see if the kitten will take just a small amount of plain yogurt with active cultures. If you are warming up the kmr in the microwave, you have already spoiled the stuff and it will react negatively with the kitten. if the problems persist, contact the vet and make an appointment quickly.
post #5 of 21
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How would one know that a microwave spoils KMR when it doesn't state that on the can?

He's scheduled to go into the vet at 8 in the morning.
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by Pippen
Thanks wookie. The only other variable that I can think of is that yesterday seemed to be the end of when he wanted KMR with the dropper. He'd been backing down gradually but wasn't lapping up water so I started adding the KRM to the canned food. I have no idea if food was the culprit but I'm going to toss the can of food and KMR I have open just in case.

I was a little miffed that the vet's office didn't suggest getting the stool sample seeing as how I told the person on the phone that he'd had the loose stool while I was on hold. *I* was the one that asked if I should bring it in, thanks to something that stuck in my mind from a post I'd read here.
I did the KMR and wet food all the time.... I have never had trouble so do ou mean just the wet food...
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by Pippen
How would one know that a microwave spoils KMR when it doesn't state that on the can?

He's scheduled to go into the vet at 8 in the morning.
I learned from experience, it sours the formula to zap it in the microwave. You should warm it in a cup of hot water. I just take a soup mug and fill it with hot, not boiling water and then set the bottle in the mug for a few minutes. I test my wrist always before feeding, if it is to hot, i take off the top of the bottle and let the contents cool down.
post #8 of 21
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He's been eating the canned food mixed with KMR for about two weeks now without a problem. Usually he slurps it up so there's no leftovers. What he ate today did sit out for a few hours.

Something was wrong already this morning though because he *never* passes up a chance for a meal.

He's been lethargic/sleeping most of the time since I posted and about 15 minutes ago woke up and seems better. He went looking for his food dish and complained nothing was there plus he had another loose stool--there's still form to it so that's good.
post #9 of 21
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As of that last post my kitten has been doing better. He played hard at night before crashing out. Awhile ago when he was stirring from his sleep I went ahead and woke him up fully to see how he was doing and to see if he'd take any water. He acting normal and went crazy when I offered him a dropper of water...he took a few mls but it was clear he was looking to chow down on KMR.

Question 1: if he continues to improve would you still take him to the vet in the morning? If he seems to be on the mend I wonder if it wouldn't be better just to take in the stool sample? This feels just like when my kids used to get borderline sick and I'd have to weigh whether to take them to regular office hours on Sat am or risk having to take them to ER on a holiday weekend...

Question 2: If the problem is bacterial, can a kitten reinfect itself by cleaning up its hind end?

Oh, after much deliberation by my kids and myself, the kitten finally has a name: Pippin, as in the mischeivious little rascal from Lord of the Rings. If only I'd known I would have chosen a different name for myself.
post #10 of 21
I would suggest the yogurt, like was suggested before, to help put good bacteria back in his digestive system.
I would also monitor for dehydration. A kitten can become dehydrated within 6 hours. I would get clear pedialyte and dilute it with 50% water to prevent dehydration, if he continues refusing water.
In my opinion, I would avoid taking this young of a kitten into the vets office if it is possible, and only take in a stool sample.
If he starts becoming lethargic or weak, then a vet visit may be needed.
Has be been wormed yet? If not that will be needed soon, by a worming medication that the vet gives, the OTC worming medications are not recommended.
post #11 of 21
YES no matter - please have him checked. Best to err on the side of safety!!

...and please keep us in the loop
post #12 of 21
Yeah, I would take him in anyway, just to rule anything wierd out.

Tummy upset will leave kittens very under the weather for several hours, if not a day or two. It's great that he seems to be doing better!
post #13 of 21
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Yes, he's been wormed twice. Once about 3-4 weeks ago and then again on Monday. Monday he was to the vet for an exam, worming, first vaccine.

Office hours don't start until 9 but they have people there at 8 so I took in a stool sample I'd refrigerated overnight and a log and decided I would go with what they recommended based on that. They just called back with results and to check on him. Based upon what they could test for in the office the fecal sample was negative. She asked a bunch of questions and said since Pippin is not 100% but is improving (frisking around and clamouring for food when he's awake) to go ahead and keep him home but watch him closely for the next few hours and bring him in if what I'm seeing doesn't look right. He was hungry again when I got home but didn't want KRM so I opened a fresh can of canned food and mushed it up with extra water since he's not going for the water on his own. He held down the water last night, the KMR early this morning and this last feeding without more diarrhea or vomiting so that's a good sign. Oh, I did try the yogurt but he wouldn't go for that. I do have some acidopholus capsules in the fridge if a little of the powder might help.

Thanks for the help with this. I feel like I did in the days when I had an infant and was weighing the risks of waiting it out on a holiday weekend or taking them in to office hours during flu season. The vet had said that nearly all the kittens he was seeing had respiratory infections so I'll bring him if he doesn't continue to improve or takes a downward turn but I'm not eagar to take him otherwise.
post #14 of 21
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Today I learned that kittens, like kids, can make sudden turns in both directions.

Pippen continued to improve and at 12:30 when I needed to make a last decision whether to see the regular vet he had eaten another small meal and was romping with the kids...as in galloping around the basement and leaping and pouncing and he'd try to escape outside 3X by then. He was sleepy this afternoon and when I did my hourly check around 3pm I wasn't comfortable with what I saw. His gums were dryer than normal and he was less responsive to waking so I called ahead then hiked him into the emergency animal clinic which is about 15 minutes away. The vet thought it might be coccidia even though it didn't show up in the fecal sample. He wasn't dehydrated yet but she gave him an anti-diarrheal shot plus sent home some pills plus prescribed Albon (which I already had). He was lethargic all the way over there, through the exam, and on the way home. But as soon as we got back he started frisking around again and meowing for food. He's tuckered out again is curled up in a sleeping bag sound asleep.
post #15 of 21
I am sorry that Pippen did a sudden downhill episode. Unfortunately, dehydration is very dangerous in such a young kitten.
The Albon will work well, for if it is Coccidia, (which doesn't always show up), as well for other intestinal bacteria infections.
I would keep a close eye still for dehydration and continue giving him water by syringe if he begins refusing to drink on his own.
Did the vet think he needed Sub-q fluids?
You did great by taking him to the vet. I hope he begins feeling up to his mischevious self soon.
post #16 of 21
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The vet didn't say anything more except to keep offering liquids and soft foods with added liquids and if he wasn't taking it to bring him back tomorrow. Since I posted he took one small meal of canned food with e extra water mushed in and then in early evening after licking up a few drops of KMR he decided that hit the spot and had almost a full meal. I just ran out for more KMR (I don't even want to know how many cans we've gone through since he came here--highway robbery that stuff is ) and some baby food chicken. I've never seen him dive into solids like he did that baby food--he was all over the dish and would have porked out if I hadn't cut him off. I'll offer some more here in a bit so he doesn't overdo.

He's frisking around again so crash is probably imminent.
post #17 of 21
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So far things have been ok this morning except for some very stinky diarrhea. I'm thankful he was on the tail end of dropper feeding KMR because that's familiar to him and it's getting liquids into him. He *loves* baby food chicken w/ broth, so much I think he's gorging himself because he threw up a little last night and he'd done that once some weeks back when he first started on solids--the only other time he's thrown up.

Should I stick with this softer diet with plenty of liquids for a bit longer or should I start trying to firm up these stools? What foods would help do that?
post #18 of 21
At 7 weeks, he really does not need KMR any more and it's very possible that it is contributing to the diarrhea. I would recommend not giving him any more. You can offer him water with a syringe a few times a day if he's not interested in lapping water from a bowl. "Offer" really does mean "offer" in this case - squirt a little in his mouth and if he keeps drinking then go with it, but if he's not interested then don't force it. Otherwise he could aspirate which obviously would be really bad.

Firming up the stool is important because kittens with diarrhea can quickly dehydrate. For food, I would recommend mixing equal parts of baby food rice cereal and baby food chicken. Plain chicken can contribute to diarrhea but rice helps to firm up the stool.
post #19 of 21
I would also make sure he is getting plenty of liquids, dehydration, right now is your biggest battle.
For helping with diarrhea, I would recommend Hills A/D, the ingredients on easily digested in young kittens, and you could add water to it, to help him with more water intake. Once he seems to be feeling more up to drinking and eating on his own, I would begin to switch him onto a premium dry kitten kibble.

I also would recommend limiting how much he is eating, if he is infact gorging himself. Offer him frequent, smaller meals throughout the day, so the urge to eat everything at once and vomit doesn't keep occuring.

Call your vet first, but my vet has always recommended children's Immodium AD to help ease the kittens tummy and digestive track and give it a rest to be able to heal. Your vet can give you the correct dosage according to what your kitten weighs.
Hope Pippen is feeling better soon.
post #20 of 21
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He continued to improve steadily throughout the day and then last night has a firmer stool. I'm to continue the diarrhea medicine for one day past and Albon for 10 days.

Thanks for the food ideas. :-)
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Pippen
He continued to improve steadily throughout the day and then last night has a firmer stool. I'm to continue the diarrhea medicine for one day past and Albon for 10 days.

Thanks for the food ideas. :-)
Yay!! Glad to hear the wonderful news!! Keep feeling better, Pippen.
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