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What do you all think of horseracing and what happened to Barbaro in the Preakness?
Do any of you feel as sick at heart for this young horse as I do?
post #2 of 14
I like horse racing. And i actively work in many facets of the industry (not as big as the preakness but..we can dream)

It does make me sick for what happened to Barbaro, the industry has lost a career that would have been one of the GREATS. However. Blessedly we still have the horse. which over all is what matters most.

Now, I do not agree with the training of horses a long yearlings. Although MANY horse people start their horses as two year olds. Not just the TB industry.(it has been studied that most horses loose the "urge" to run around 5 and if you watch races close, if i horse hasnt broken its maiden by age 6 they are retired. claimers are usually between 5-6 ect)

One thing I can appreciate about Barbaros Trainer, he did not overrace his young steed. He had 5 weeks off before the Derby, thats almost unheard of. But its smart. what happened at the preakness, was a FREAK mistep.By all angles. Professionals have looked the footage over, and over again. He was FINE after breaking through the first time. He broke CLEAN the second time. But when moving into his familar position he just stepped wrong. Its unfortunate. But it happens. Last summer i responded with my vet (ride alongs) to two similar incidents that happened In the pasture. Horses were running, playing having fun. one mis stepped..and..well..

I think the only reason the Racing industry gets such a noticeable ranker of "breakdowns" as they are called. is because its in the public. And not just the "horsey" public. But you have horses Break down in all walks of horses, some reiners have shattered their pelvis, broken legs, ect same with hunters, dressage...endurance riders.

Its a risk.

Are their bad people in the racing industry? YES! Lukas, and Baffert are notrious for working their horses WAY to hard. and not giving a hoot, when they break down. Look at Charasmatic (winner of Derby and Preakess) as an example.

Sorry i got long winded this is something i am passionate about.

In closeing. BLESS Barbaros owners. Lesser owners would have put him down for the insurance money sad to say BLESS them. and BLESS Barbaro for showing what a true champion he is. He has a LONG life ahead of him.
post #3 of 14
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He has a LONG life ahead of him.
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He is young and will WANT to buck and run and has to be able to mount a mare to breed her.

I Pray he can but it is a longshot!

I will NEVER agree to them raceing BABIES - it is like putting a child in toe shoes. Their bones are not strong enough yet!
post #4 of 14
As much as I'm against it, isn't it commonplace for horses to be artifically insiminated? So his career for breeding shouldn't be over if he can't mount... Of course maybe the process of getting the sperm is unattainable, I don't know much about this.
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by MyBabies
He has a LONG life ahead of him.
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He is young and will WANT to buck and run and has to be able to mount a mare to breed her.

I Pray he can but it is a longshot!

I will NEVER agree to them raceing BABIES - it is like putting a child in toe shoes. Their bones are not strong enough yet!

And if he cant mount a mare he will could be gelded. HIs owners have stated such several times. They dont care if he can breed or can not breed. He is staying with them. A pain free life is of the utmost concern to them.

I am sure he will be able to buck and play. But his racing days are over.

I wont go into the bone debate. there are several studied for both camps. And everyone sides on one or the other. But horses are very diffrent than people on how, and what matures first.
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Originally Posted by SolarityBengals
As much as I'm against it, isn't it commonplace for horses to be artifically insiminated? So his career for breeding shouldn't be over if he can't mount... Of course maybe the process of getting the sperm is unattainable, I don't know much about this.

Yes horses can be Artificialy inseminated, its called AI in the horse world. I touched on it a little. The Jockey club OUTLAWS it for TB race horses. Their thinking is a bit outdated but it also has some valid thoughts. So it is NOT allowed for race horses.

However, it can be done for crosses if the owners so chose. They could cross him with QH racers, for wonderfull Appenix QH's that could race, they could cross with Arab blood for Angol-Arab which do wonderfull in jumping. Ect ect.

The key is IF they have to go the route of AI. how it will be done. If he cant mount a mare safely he will not be able to mount the "ghost" or "shadow" mare safely either.

However, some stallions have been taught to ground collect. And if they could do that..well than they would be set.

AI has its place in the horse world. It saves some mares the stress of having to go to a new farm, new place, long haul..ect. It also makes the best of the best attainable to those who may not be able to drive cross country with their mare, leave her, pay huge mare care fees than drive back.
post #7 of 14
BTW anyone who can access archives of magazines, you may wanna check June 1999 issue of The Horse a very good article,
in it they found that just galloping 2yr olds doesn't change the bone density anymore than horse on turn out...that it is only speed work that will cause the bone to become more dense and therefore be better able to handle racing...they also found that a 4yr that starts race training will go through the very same bone changes as a 2 yr old just starting training (bone degregation{sp?} and rebuilding)...so a 4yr old that is just starting training has the same possiblity of injury as a 2 yr old...it was done by New Bolton Center
post #8 of 14
I'm not a race fan, but for whatever strange reason I flipped our TV channel and caught the last few moments of the Kentucky Derby. Then a few weeks later I heard this devastating news and felt momentarily shattered. He is a magnificent horse and I pray that he will heal and live a good long life, whether as a stud or gelding.
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
I'm not a race fan, but for whatever strange reason I flipped our TV channel and caught the last few moments of the Kentucky Derby. Then a few weeks later I heard this devastating news and felt momentarily shattered. He is a magnificent horse and I pray that he will heal and live a good long life, whether as a stud or gelding.
I HOPE he will be able to cover mares or that they will find a way to get his semen so even Anglo Arabs and other NON thorobreds can be bred to him.

I have never seen him run but seeing his photo I think he would have been as great as Secretariat and Man O' War. Just a feeling I have!
post #10 of 14
just to show is greatness



post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by MyBabies
What do you all think of horseracing and what happened to Barbaro in the Preakness?
Do any of you feel as sick at heart for this young horse as I do?
I don't feel sick at heart for Barbaro, he's going to live.
I feel sick at heart for all the other severely injured racehorses who get put to sleep because their owners either can't afford such treatment or can't be bothered.
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by millyanddaisy
I don't feel sick at heart for Barbaro, he's going to live.
I feel sick at heart for all the other severely injured racehorses who get put to sleep because their owners either can't afford such treatment or can't be bothered.
YES you are sure right.

It is funny though - this feeling I have about Barbaro. I "think" he would have been aother Secretariat or Man O' War.

I am hoping and Praying he will heal - especially enough to mount mares and make little Barbaros!
post #13 of 14
Man O war is my all time fav racer. Loved that he was named horse of the century.

I had a feeling about Barbaro too. When i first heard he was a "contender" sometimes you just see it.

I think, he will be able to mount mares. Call it a feeling on that as well.

And of course, I am sure his Sire Dynaformer (sp?) has seen some more breeding bookings too.
post #14 of 14
Poor Barbaro. I watched the race in a bar before a concert...just watching the footage w/ no volume I could tell the leg was broken. It was so sad to see him try to keep going with that leg. I checked ESPN and CNN as soon as we got back to the hotel after the concert to make sure he hadn't been put down, and then checked again in the morning.
I'm so glad his owners have decided to treat him instead of put him down. Though I hope that if his pain becomes too much, they make the right choice.

He could have been one of the greatest race horses of the past 50 years, and he is a truly beautiful, well-made horse. His offspring could probably excell in a variety of fields, not just racing. I could see him producing nice 3-day event horses and show jumpers.
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