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post #1 of 29
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Having accidently eaten "cheval" more than once (I
found out, too late, that it was the mystery meat
served up by my boarding house mum in high school -- which was in Belgium), I can honestly say that I could go without consuming it
for the rest of my life. The thought of it
(especially after reading "Seabiscuit") strikes me as
only a little less repulsive than eating "chien" or
"chat!"

So, maybe it's a cultural bias, but I'm strongly opposed to slaughtering horses for meat. Other opinions?

BTW, if you agree with me and want to support a ban on slaughtering horses for meat, go to this link. Once you fill out the info, it will automatically figure out who your congresspeople are and send them a form letter (which you can modify if you wish).

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post #2 of 29
I myself am strongly opposed to slaughtering ANYTHING for meat! I think it's cruel that we as humans let our culture dictate what animals are "food" and which are "friends". A pig is more intelligent than a dog, but we eat the pig and noot the dog. I don't see the reasoning.

So no, I certainly don't support slaughtering horses.
post #3 of 29
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
I myself am strongly opposed to slaughtering ANYTHING for meat! I think it's cruel that we as humans let our culture dictate what animals are "food" and which are "friends". A pig is more intelligent than a dog, but we eat the pig and noot the dog. I don't see the reasoning.

So no, I certainly don't support slaughtering horses.
Yes, good point. I have to say that my culture has definitely influenced the way I think of what animals constitute "food." I have stopped eating pork and try to eat chicken and fish when I do eat meat (I try to go along with my friend's policy of "eat no mammals") but there are times -- probably when I am iron-deficient -- when I still crave red meat.
post #4 of 29
I would never eat it! I also don't eat lamb or veal or any baby animal. Yes, hypocritical that I'll eat other meat, but these are on my list of no-no's...along with frog legs....poor little froggies!
post #5 of 29
while i would never ever eat it myself. EVER.

Being in the horse industry myself..sadly. at this point. Its a needed evil. That sounds horrible of me to say I know. But. There are thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of horses that are unwatned, unsafe, ect. Does this make it right? NO not by anymeans.

But the industry is flooded. to many horrible breeders, breeding anything to anything, and coming up with nothing. Breeding bad temperment, to bad temperment, and coming out with a killer horse. (and not all horses are abused to be bad tempered I was grabbed on the shoulder,and lucky to get away or i would have been crushed by a young very badly bred horse who had always been treated nice)

Than of course you have the PMU farms pumping out TONS OF FOALS. Its horrible. the market is just flooded. And there are not enough GOOD careing HOMES for them all. And I would rather have them..slaughtered than standing in some cramped up..dead pasture in someones back yard just starving to death.

No abuse scene is pretty. Horse abuse scenes IMO seem to b some of the worst.In an ideal world, every horse would have a loving careing home. All older horses, sick horses, (or dangerous for that matter) would be humanely put down.

But lets face it. We do not live in an ideal world. There are not enough homes. Some people will not pay the, Vet fee, the medication fee, and of course if you chose to bury and dont have your own back hoe..the back hoe rental. If you cant bury. you have to pay the rendering truck. People wont do it. for them its just "Easier" to send em up the road to the kill pen.

Again, I DO NOT THINK THIS IS RIGHT. But to me..its better to have a relatively quik death..than the slow horrible one in the barn piled with manure, ect.

And also sadly, in our economy..there is money to be made people will make it. I know there has recently been a law passed, HR87 (i think) that is for closeing all slaughter plants in the US, i know its in appeals..ect. (i do not know ALL the details at this time of the current status) But this is making longer trips over the Canadian boarder for these horses. I cant agree with that either.

well this has gotten long winded. And its late so it may not all make sense.

In short, I am not for it. But at this time, with the way society is (and of course not everyone thinks horse meat is bad) its a needed evil
post #6 of 29
I have no more problem with horse meat then I do with the meat from any other animal.

Saying that, I personally wouldnt eat it though.

I do eat meat, but only occassionally as I dont like the cruelty behind it and prefer veggies and fish (I know fish are meat too, I cant explain why I feel differently to them). To me, eating horse would just be for the novelty value and therefore pointless when I could be eating tofu or sushi.
post #7 of 29
There are some cultures that do eat dogs/cats and other animals. So really it's cultured based on whether you eat meat, certain meats or no meats.
I tried the vegatarian style, and wound up passing out way too many times because I went anemic and it's bad enough that I do have to eat meat to keep my blood cells steady.

My only thing is that as long as it isn't served to me in a style that it looked like when it was alive, I can eat it. For example, if i get fish, it better be chopped up and pretty much boneless and look nothing like a fish shape. Or really anything served with the bones intact. Totally repulses me and I won't eat it.

As for horse, I guess i would have to try it to see if I Liked it. I've eaten Elk, Deer, Lamb before.
post #8 of 29
I personally wouldn't eat it. But I do eat other animals. It is cculturally decided as to what animals we do eat. There are culture that don't eat pork, that don't eat beef, and so on. I was raised eating pork, beef, chicken, turkey, and fish (which I won't eat unless its Tuna). But I also respect those who have decided not to eat meat.
post #9 of 29
As far as horsemeat, I dont think I would eat it unless I was starving. that bieng said I am a big fan of meat. I dont feel bad eating meat BUT I try not to overeat when I eat meat because an animal had to die for my meal and gluttony seems all the more evil when a creature had to die for my meal. I love lamb (its a cultural thing) but I usally dont eat veal (I will eat it if offered when I am a guest but would not choose it). I feel bad for th elittle cows. Lamb I feel bad for but grew up eating it a lot so I could never give it up.
post #10 of 29
This may sound weird but I think horses are too beautiful to eat. They are graceful and full of life and just amazing creatures. I'm not saying that other animals (pigs, cows), are not beautiful animals..but there is something about horses for me that similar to a cat or dog, I would NEVER be able to eat it. Even if I was starving.
post #11 of 29
No thanks!! I dont think I would EVER want to eat horse meat or lamb for that matter. I do like pig and cow because I guess I dont think about them getting slaughtered, like I would a horse. Same goes for deer-no way, no how am I going to eat that! I would just be thinking the whole time-well, never mind, but no I will pass on the horse meat!
post #12 of 29
I don't know. I'd probably eat it if I forgot my handy-dandy language manual didn't recognize the word and accidentally ordered it in a restaurant. I almost ordered kidneys in a restaurant in Rouen, but a kindly waiter steered me away. I don't care for organs, but I love meat: Lamb, pork, chicken, duck, beef, fish, shellfish, etc. I've wanted to try rabbit and goose (but I'm slightly skeeved out by foie gras). I love bison and I wouldn't have a problem eating other game. I didn't particularly like the taste of venison, but that's just me.
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by Phenomsmom
I personally wouldn't eat it. But I do eat other animals. It is cculturally decided as to what animals we do eat. There are culture that don't eat pork, that don't eat beef, and so on. I was raised eating pork, beef, chicken, turkey, and fish (which I won't eat unless its Tuna). But I also respect those who have decided not to eat meat.
Same here.

I don't think I could eat it - although I was rasied on eating the same as posted above.

I just think it seems weird eating a horse... but thats just me - I don't think I could bring myself to do it.
post #14 of 29
As a meat eater, I don't think I can condem anyone for the kind of meat they choose to eat. Cats and Dogs are consumed as food in other parts of the world. In Peru they eat guinea pigs. People in India are probably horrified at the cattle market here in the US.

And as my vegan/vegeterian boss says: "Parts is parts!"

~Julia
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
A pig is more intelligent than a dog, but we eat the pig and noot the dog. I don't see the reasoning.
Because its not necessarily intellect for which we prize the dog as a companion.
Historically, dogs gave us the fair trade of being our protectors around our camps and scaring off intruders as well as eating our food remains and hence, reducing the amount of scavengers and rats that came around after our garbage... They were also swift and had the endurance to keep up on hunts and long trips.

Pigs seemed more appropriate for the purpose of fattening up, being cheap to feed, and slow.

And I wouldn't eat horse simply its personal. ANd because I see them as having an altogether different purpose than pigs or cows.

I guess its a personal choice.

I would rather see horses eaten and utilized than treated inhumanely.
post #16 of 29
Someone mentioned that we eat a pig but not a dog.... Dogs and cats, throughout history, have helped us humans out by helping us hunt, protecting us, getting rid of pests like mice for...etc. Pigs and cows and what not have been raised in much of the world for us to consum in one form or another.... Ok History lesson over.....

Horse meat, just like viel and snails are things I would never dream of eating even if I was starving and it was the only thing left.
post #17 of 29
Isn't real proscuitto horse as well? Not in America, but the "real stuff"?

I wonder how people with pet pigs feel about eating pork?

I have been a vegetarian for 5 years and I don't think my body was ever designed to eat meat. I think its genetic or something, my sister has been vegetarian for 14 (although she eats a little bite or a piece of fish here and there) years and is alot healthier too. I was sick all the time, my skin was all splotchy, I felt weird, etc. Some people feel like that when they quit eating meat, though.
I don't mind people who eat meat as long as they don't tell me gross stories about, say, an undercooked sausage that squirted blood in their face, as my friend told me last week. Thats just plain gross!

As for horse meat, to me its not any worse than any other kind of meat. The idea of eating dead animal flesh is basically repulsive to me in general, so its hard to remember how it was when one type of meat was yummy dinner and another was too cute to be eaten or whatever. As for horses being treated cruelly, I doubt its any worse than what happens on corporate cattle "ranches" or pig or chicken "farms". Maybe we need to decide if horses are pets or livestock.
post #18 of 29
My biggest gripe with horsemeat for human comsumption is that it creates an undesireable fate for older/less valuable horses. Why pay a ranch call of $75 (for the vet to put the animal down) and a $25 dump fee for the animal pit when you can get almost $2.00/lb if you sell the animal to the knacker? No matter that the long transport to the slaughterhouse will not be humane in most cases, nor the treatment at the killing facility much better - recent budget cuts have left enforcement entities almost impotent in this regard.
As for eating cats, I feel blessed that my ancestors regarding the killing of a cat (incl. bobcats & cougars) equivalent to murder, and that to kill a coyote was to invite misfortune on the entire clan. And considering that dogs get all kinds of worms & such from eating carrion that would kill a human or cat with disease (dogs have extremely strong stomach acids to allow them to survive such stuff), I don't think that it is wise to eat dog meat either (not to mention that I, for one, will defend my family dogs as surely as they will defend me). As for horses, whether as a pet or livestock, they are surely most useful if kept alive & well; at the end of the trail, only a humane, dignified ending will do.
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
As for horses, whether as a pet or livestock, they are surely most useful if kept alive & well; at the end of the trail, only a humane, dignified ending will do.
Unfortunately, I think ScamperFarms has a more realistic picture of the entire situation. A senior citizen (mid-eighties) in our area takes in retired police horses, and cares for them at his own expense, and with the help of donations. He's desperately seeking somebody who will take over his farm before or after he's gone, and assume the maintenance expenses and chores. I find it appalling that animals who have served society should be sent off to the slaughterhouse once they've outlived their usefulness, but the expense of letting them live out their retirement is just too prohibitive for most municipalities.
I would love to see laws requiring that "service animals" be paid for their work in the form of a "retirement fund", but that's just wishful thinking at this point.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by jcat
Unfortunately, I think ScamperFarms has a more realistic picture of the entire situation. A senior citizen (mid-eighties) in our area takes in retired police horses, and cares for them at his own expense, and with the help of donations. He's desperately seeking somebody who will take over his farm before or after he's gone, and assume the maintenance expenses and chores. I find it appalling that animals who have served society should be sent off to the slaughterhouse once they've outlived their usefulness, but the expense of letting them live out their retirement is just too prohibitive for most municipalities.
I would love to see laws requiring that "service animals" be paid for their work in the form of a "retirement fund", but that's just wishful thinking at this point.

I hate being right on such an issue too..sadly.

And BLESS that man BLESS HIM for his work to help those retired horses. It is expensive for sure. Hay prices keep going up and up. And grain for those hard to keep babies. and of course most senior horses who have had hard work need supplements which are not cheap. One friend of mine has an oldie who is on supplements that run about $200 a month. For an "unuseable" horse.
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
Maybe we need to decide if horses are pets or livestock.
A very good point.

I think they should count as pets, unless they are being raised specifically for the meat market. I think of mine as pets, that's why when my old horse got too sick, I did get the vet out and had him pts in his field at home. I'd never send a pet of mine to the knacker's yard if I could help it. However, it is at least a quicker end for an unloved equine than slowly starving to death shut in a stable.
post #22 of 29
I lived in France for a while and horsemeat is served regularly there (yuck).

I've never tasted it but I think I'd feel like a cannibal eating such a beautiful creature as a horse!

If it ain't beef, pork, chicken or fish....I'm not eating it (meat-wise). Sounds silly, but I picture the animal in my mind and if its 'pet-like' I can't eat it! I know people keep pet fish, but I'm not into Koi Carp (lol)....just your average cod in batter !
post #23 of 29
Keep in mind that in some states horses ARE listed as domestic pets, not livestock.

I am on the fence about it myself. Because if horses get listed as Domestic pets, instead of livestock. yes they wont be able to be sold for slaugher (if its federal) however. I also wont be able to enjoy my perks of owning livestock, tax exempt items for them...ect. and alot of big horse breeders are on the fence too.

Again sad..to say but.a needed evil.
post #24 of 29
Personally, I think it's hypocritical of us raised to eat cows, pigs, lambs etc to have a problem with viewing this large domestic herbivore as a food source.
That being said, I'll happily admit to being hypocritical in this regard as I don't think I could ever bring myself to knowingly eat hose meat.
We just stopped buying a brand of cat food recently as the ingredients simply listed "meat by products" instead of specifying which type of meat. I didn't think much of it until my husband pointed out that it could well be horse. We don't even want our cats to eat horses!
post #25 of 29
I consider horses to be 1st and foremost companion animals or pets. They are also service animals, and in some situations forms of transportation. There is NO WAY I would considr a horse as livestock.

Horses are Gods most beautiful creation. Nothing, is more beautiful than a horse.

If they take money out of our taxes to helps support human beings in the form of welfare, and food stamps, they should set aside a portion of that tax money to support retired service animals as well. At leasy they have done something positive for our society, which is something I can't say for most of the human beings we help support.

There is NO WAY I would eat a horse. It should be against the law for ANYONE to be allowed to eat a horse.
post #26 of 29
I was thinking about it one day...I don't see why one animal is really different then any other animal. I mean, the US eats beef like crazy but there are other countries who idolize cows but eat cat or dog meat. They see what we do as awful and we see what they do as awful. Now, I do think that the WAY they slaughter the animals is pretty horrific, I have seen the videos and I don't know how accurate they all are, but if that's how its done then they should figure out a different way to do it.

Someone earlier said that horses are just being bred like crazy with no homes for them and bred by irresponsible people and maybe eating them is necessary. Well what about cats then? and dogs? There are people starving in countries that eat dogs and cats and we have tons and tons of homeless ones...

I do not know where I stand on this. My boyfriend and I were discussing it one day and this is what he said in response to me saying that horses should not be slaughtered for food.
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by Jen
I was thinking about it one day...I don't see why one animal is really different then any other animal. I mean, the US eats beef like crazy but there are other countries who idolize cows but eat cat or dog meat. They see what we do as awful and we see what they do as awful. Now, I do think that the WAY they slaughter the animals is pretty horrific, I have seen the videos and I don't know how accurate they all are, but if that's how its done then they should figure out a different way to do it.

Someone earlier said that horses are just being bred like crazy with no homes for them and bred by irresponsible people and maybe eating them is necessary. Well what about cats then? and dogs? There are people starving in countries that eat dogs and cats and we have tons and tons of homeless ones...

I do not know where I stand on this. My boyfriend and I were discussing it one day and this is what he said in response to me saying that horses should not be slaughtered for food.
That would be me that said it. But i also stated its not right. and its not right for dogs, or cats either.

However, in the horse industry (and i am part of the industry) sadly its a reality. And at this time, an evil that is needed. I would rather have a horse, slaughtered, than have to go into a barn that has feces half way up to the roof, find a three year old Stallion who has never seen the light of day, standing in his own feces, and the long and short of it, so i do not get to gruesome. end up havign to put him down because he would have been unable to live. He suffered a very long time, he knew nothing but suffering. and while i would never touch horsemeat, its a more humane ending in some cases.
post #28 of 29
I don't really see why not... humane slaughtering should be enforced, though.

I'm a human; we're omnivores... we eat meat. Fact of life.

But we are smarter than animals, so that gives us a responsibility to protect them from pain. I don't think they have a "right to life" like we do; otherwise I would not support euthanasia of a cat who has a small chance of recovery, but would be in pain from (for example) cancer for a long while... A human in that situation would be treated rather than euthanized.

Eating meat of any species? OK. Eating somebody's pet of the same species? Not OK.
post #29 of 29
I'm opposed to killing any animal for meat.
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