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post #1 of 24
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We didnt realize how much of a problem having a male cat would be she just delivered last night and she finally came out from under the couch when our male cat started to act all werid and stalkig her so we watched him then he tried to jump her spraying everywheres and she fought him off but he then started to attack her. we got her outside and made him stay in when he then tried to go under the couch where the babies were but he does not ever go under there ever so we got worried and wouldnt let him which ment moving that we had to put him in the porch that we keep the dog and let the dog in. arrg so now we really dont know what to do we thought since he is most likely the father but thts evidently not so. any advice would be apreciated.
Thanks, Beth
post #2 of 24
You need to bring the mother cat back inside to be with her babies, don't let her outside or she will get pregnant again.

Keep the male in another room, without access to the female or her babies. Now would be a good time to neuter the male.
post #3 of 24
I was told by my vet that male cats WILL KILL the babies so they can mate with the mom cat again! Please move the male somewhere else for the next few weeks!
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by prncss89
I was told by my vet that male cats WILL KILL the babies so they can mate with the mom cat again! Please move the male somewhere else for the next few weeks!
My male was always in the box grooming the babies, in this situation however I would keep the male away as he's already attacked the female.
post #5 of 24
Yes, and he should probably not have access to the queen or her kittens. Toms have been known to kill kittens, so that he can mate with the queen again sooner. Also, the threat of him being near her kittens could make momma very nervous...she needs to be as comfortable inside your home as possible.

Please have your male neutered ASAP, and spay your female as well to prevent future litters. There is a lot of info on this site as to why fixing cats is the kinder, better option for everyone...for cats and humans.
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by ShadowandImage
We didnt realize how much of a problem having a male cat would be she just delivered last night and she finally came out from under the couch when our male cat started to act all werid and stalkig her so we watched him then he tried to jump her spraying everywheres and she fought him off but he then started to attack her. we got her outside and made him stay in when he then tried to go under the couch where the babies were but he does not ever go under there ever so we got worried and wouldnt let him which ment moving that we had to put him in the porch that we keep the dog and let the dog in. arrg so now we really dont know what to do we thought since he is most likely the father but thts evidently not so. any advice would be apreciated.
Thanks, Beth
Beth..mom and kittens need to brought back inside ASAP and provided with their own room. Your male needs to stay away from your female and her kittens until he has been neutered and either 1. she has been spayed or 2. it has been a month since his neuter since he will still carry active sperm. If these are not his kittens, he very well may try to kill her kittens..which is why it is critical that you give her her own room where he cannot have access to her. She needs to remain indoors only and away from intact males until the kittens are weaned at 6 weeks of age and she can be safely spayed.

Katie
post #7 of 24
I hope she is not pregnant again.. Poor mommy.... Bring her in let her be witht he babies. Him outside....It isnt the best to do but actually it should of been done like that. Momies will kill the babies if they are in danger also. The male smell around them might freak her out
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by momof3rugratz
I hope she is not pregnant again.. Poor mommy.... Bring her in let her be witht he babies. Him outside....It isnt the best to do but actually it should of been done like that. Momies will kill the babies if they are in danger also. The male smell around them might freak her out
Actually, that isn't best either..him outside means he can inpregnate other cats.

Katie
post #9 of 24
It doesn't matter whether he is the father or not - he does not know and will react just like any male around a potential mate, which is all he sees your momcat as. TO prevent his behaviour you would have to neuter him at once, but remember that he could still be fertile and want to mate up to a month after the operation, so you must keep them apart whatever you do.
post #10 of 24
For heavens sake get momma back with those kittens! He will kill them....He wants her to go back into heat. Don't punish her separate him! He doesn't have any maternal instincts and could care less if they are his offspring.
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by TNR1
Actually, that isn't best either..him outside means he can inpregnate other cats.

Katie
I know that but she put him on the porch her outside away from the babies. I would do it the other way so the babies still have mom. Now what if mom wont except them
post #12 of 24
Is there somewhere inside away from the babies he can be kept, so that he can't go back out? I get nervous when any of my cats go on the porch, even though they are all fixed...except Steuben, who is only 10 weeks. I just fear that one of them will escape.

And as I said before along with everyone else, the male should not have any access to the female and her litter...it is completely unsafe. I do believe they should all be kept indoors...but there needs to be a safe room for the momma and kittens, where the tom cannot get to any of them.

Having the male and female altered is absolutely necessary.

Please let us know how everything is going.
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
She was only outside long enough to go to the bathroom just right off our steps then came back in to her babies she wont go in here even in a litter box she has always been an out door cat. We have him now locked in the boy's room and he can get outside from there when he wants and we will be moving the kittens and mama into the closet when we get a bigger box as we thought at most she would have 2 to 3 babies not 5 lol. we were also told that you have to be careful but that they may either be fine with them or may kill them but the way he attacked Image really bothered us so we have been making sure they are not even outside at the same time.
Thanks for the advice. Beth
post #14 of 24
Is there no way you can get her to use a litter tray, it really isn't safe for her to go outside just to toilet - she can get pregnant again about a week after giving birth, and 2 pregnancies so close will have a big impact on her health, and how would you cope if something happened to her and you had to rear the babies?
post #15 of 24
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well see we found her at about 4 weeks and she had been outside for a few days fending on her own but doing great we adopted her and this winter we really didnt want her going out in the snow cause she so small but she would notd use the litter box we tried everything we could think of but nothing worked and she still wont we tried starting last week again becuase we were worried she would deliver outside. We dont want her to geet pregnant again so soon but as ours is the only out door cats in the area besides our male cat there really isnt much worry.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by ShadowandImage
well see we found her at about 4 weeks and she had been outside for a few days fending on her own but doing great we adopted her and this winter we really didnt want her going out in the snow cause she so small but she would notd use the litter box we tried everything we could think of but nothing worked and she still wont we tried starting last week again becuase we were worried she would deliver outside. We dont want her to geet pregnant again so soon but as ours is the only out door cats in the area besides our male cat there really isnt much worry.

I'm sorry to say, but if you think your cats are the only cats outside and you have nothing to worry about is just nieve and completely wrong! even if you haven't seen any there most likely is male cats near by, toms will come for miles to mate with your intact female, and you will end up with nursing babies and a pregnant mom if you aren't carefull!
post #17 of 24
Do you have your male cat scheduled to be neutered?
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by ShadowandImage
well see we found her at about 4 weeks and she had been outside for a few days fending on her own but doing great we adopted her and this winter we really didnt want her going out in the snow cause she so small but she would notd use the litter box we tried everything we could think of but nothing worked and she still wont we tried starting last week again becuase we were worried she would deliver outside. We dont want her to geet pregnant again so soon but as ours is the only out door cats in the area besides our male cat there really isnt much worry.
I wouldn't count on your cats being the only ones outside...and just something to think about...if you leave her intact, then intact males will find her. Best thing to do is not risk her becoming pregnant by having her spayed once the kittens are weaned...that way you will know for sure she won't get pregnant again. Additionally, leaving her intact increases her risk for cancer and pyometra.

Katie
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
My Parents do not agree with having pets spayed or neutered. Also yes there is other male cats around outside but whenever she was in heat she did fine to defend herself and its obvious it was our other cat that is the father. We actually moved the kittens into the closet but then she came back in from the bathroom and started to move them back under the couch. And there is no other way to put the male cat in another room because our house is small and with the babies under the couch in the living room he can have way to easy access to them we are doing what we can and well today it worked so hopefully till we can move the kittens to the closet there is really nothing to do but keep doing it the way we are. what i really ment ours was the only pet cats outside the others are strays but they usually only come around late at night to fight with our male cat.
Thanks for the Advice All,
Beth
post #20 of 24
While you must go along with what your parents think about spaying and/or neutering for now and for as long as you are living at home with them, the fact is that it is perfectly alright for you to feel differently without disrespecting them or their feelings on the matter. I strongly encourage you to read up on the health issues and other problems which are very real possibilities for your cats if they are not spayed and/or neutered and make your own decision about it.

The Cat Site is primarily concerned with cat welfare and education. We strongly advocate spay/neuter for all cats not participating in a responsibly-run, ethical breeding program. There are many good resources here to learn about spay/neuter and the benefits of it for your cats. Please take a moment and educate yourself - and possibly your parents if you can do so in a mature and intelligent way - so that your cats will be happy, healthy and with you for a long time to come.

With regard to allowing your cats outside, there are a lot of dangers to all of them, including the kittens, should you continue to do this. Even allowing Momma to go outside for but a moment to potty could be life-threatening in that viruses and other baddies can come right back into the house with her and she can infect the kittens. At this delicate age, they are not prepared to fight such illness and could potentially die. Allowing your male to go outside could mean fighting with other intact males, resulting in bite wounds which could potentially become infected and need vet intervention. Additionally, bite wounds could carry some of the common feline blood-borne viruses - he could contract any number of these and infect your other cats and kittens, possibly resulting in death.

We all urge you to reconsider the way you and your family are handling this, but we also understand that as a young person, you may not have the means necessary to force the issue in your home. If we can help in any way by providing you with articles or other printed information to show to your parents, please let us know.

Best of luck with all of this.

~gg~
post #21 of 24
Ditto everything gayef said.

As far as what you can control now, you must must must keep that male cat from the queen and her kittens. It really is a matter of life and death. As a young person, you can protect the queen and litter from the tom...

I too live in a smaller home, inhabited by myself, my hubby, my step-son, 3 large-breed dogs, 2 adult fixed cats, and a 10 week-old kitten. We have found various ways of making it work in a small home. Steuben is living in the bathroom...it is his "safe room." He's still a tiny tot, and is now allowed for supervised playtime in the living room with the dogs and adult cats. He's also allowed in our bedroom, and occassionally the kitchen. Fortunately, mother cats don't need a lot of space with her kittens...the world is simply too big for your tiny kittens anyway, and it would be best to set them up in a bedroom, a bathroom, with all of their basic needs...a litter box, food and water dish. And the male cat will have no access to momma or kittens. It's a simple arrangement, and MUCH MUCH safer for everyone.

There are also a tremendous risks to cats allowed to roam outdoors...even for a few minutes. Please listen to the advise you receive here, it is solid, and true. We must be responsible pet owners, and I do understand the challenges you face at your age, being that your parents are the primary decision-makers. Do what you can...please!!!
post #22 of 24
Please please print out a couple main points about the dangers of your cats remaining unaltered. Especially with disease and cancer aspect. Your cats chances of getting cancer and Pyometra are so very high because they are staying unaltered. Please read up and educate your parents! The sooner the better.
post #23 of 24
Also, you may still live with them but you are 19 or 20 right? Show them you are a responsible caring adult and show them you did your research and that you feel strongly on spaying and neutering for your cat's health. Be responsible and show your parents that you are. Be an adult and read up and have a heart to heart with them.
post #24 of 24
When Ethel got pregnant I too was surprised since all my neighbor's cats who are male had been spayed. I have never seen a strange cat in our area but I am chasing kittens that prove there was one somewhere.

I live in an average size house with 2 large dogs, 2 grown cats, and now 3 kittens and it's tough! But we have made it work. We realized that for a period of time we were going to have to cater to the kittens.

At some point though when Ethel was preparing to give birth I was panicked because I had no clue as to who had gotten her pregnant and was afraid that the babies might have gotten some kind of disease that would be passed on...

If your parents don't want to pay to have the spaying done or can't afford to (which is why my cat ended up pregnant!) there are places that will do it at a dicounted rate. Check with your local shelter.
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