Stupid dog

Well I shouldn't be mad at the dog, it's not his fault it's his owners, the neighbor didn't train him and leaves him loose to cause trouble.
This dog has killed several chickens at the other neighbors (where he acually got the dog, a blue healer from) He (the neighbor that buys animals and sold the dog to my other neighbor) gets all kinds of animals at auctions and resells, not an ethical breeder, just a buyer and reseller, it's also where I got my horse from, the neighbor doens't let these horses get in this condition, he gets them from an auction and resells them.
Well mabey 15 times a day I am yelling at the dog or the kids to take the dog home because he is chasing the horses again he pins them against the fence or in the barn. A couple times they have fallen.
This evening she fell. When I heard the dog barking and looked out I saw her try twice to get up and fall back down, I knew she couldn't get up and thought she broke her leg, I ran out and hollered at the kids to take him home (of course they didn't) She tried several times to get up and fell back down when she finally got to her feet she stagered and was completely disoriantated. She couldn't keep her footing and stumbled for a minute or two be fore loosing her balence and going down again. All I saw was the blood, it was every where I thought she had cut herself up in the fence (barbed wire) it was running all down her neck, chest and legs. I saw her fly mask was riped and her head was bleeding, she must have hit her head on a rock when she went down all the blood was from her head and when we tried to get the fly mask off she lost her balance when I pulled it and fell over I was pinned between the two 1000 lb horses as she was falling over I bearly got out of the way when she just floped to the ground on her side with a thud. I was freaking and bawling and wanted some one to shoot her, I couldn't stand to see her like that and was even begening to wonder if she was seeing because she seemed to have such a gash on her head. I didn't know what kind of head trama she might have had. it was aweful. the vet took forever to get here, and she started standing better and eating by time he came, but I still wonder how good a dignoses was from a vet examining my horse by head lights at 9:00 at
night. But he said give her a week and gave me some meds for him, keep every one away for a couple days in case she falls and keep her out of the barn, if she falls in there we wont be able to get her up.
I don't know what to do about this dog I'm going crazy, oh and BTW the neighbor is my boyfriends brother. There isn't much I can do
sorry to have such a long vent sesion here oops!

Bring the vet bills over to your neighbor's house and demand that he pay for them. It sounds like you need to talk to your neighbor and force some responsibility for his inaction on him. It isn't going to be easy, but if he is not aware of what his dogs are doing in the area, someone needs to tell him.

In my neighborhood, livestock owners will shoot the dog. I've seen one owner shooting at a dog that was in with her sheep and another neighbor's dog was shot while walking thru a pasture. You wouldn't do that, but another neighbor may not be that forgiving.

And it's not a stupid dog - it's the owner that is stupid.

Yeah I know it's always stupid owners, that's why I said that I can't really be mad at the dog.

We have decided we need to put the horse down. There is neurilogical(sp?) damage or some thing. The vet said it may be alright but will never come out of it, she has a hard time walking to the right, and can't keep her head up. he still stumbles and we have hired some one to dig a hole, and the vets comming in the morning, today is her last day We just can't stand to see the horse suffer, and don't think he will ever be the same, we wonder if mabey she had a stroke? Since when she tries to turn right she looses her balance and will still fall. It's going to be a hard few days for us.

That's so sad!

I agree, the dogs owner needs to be sent a bill for any expense his dog has cost you. Especially every bill for your poor horse! The vet bill for treatment, for euthanasia, for digging the grave, and even for the value of the horse itself (not that you can put a true value on her, but at least for the initial purchase price).

Also if you think he's got animals that are negelected, send the SPCA, or animal control over. I would also look up leash laws for your county/city as he may be in violation by letting his dog run free. Also if you can prove the dog bit your horse, you can ask for a rabies quaranteen for 10 days. Might be enough to get this person to realize that you're serious and he can't just let his dog run wild.

I'm so sorry for what has happened to your family! And you know, if this guy is related to your boyfriend, then you bf needs to step up to plate and do the majority of this stuff for you! No need to turn you into the "evil girlfriend" simply because this guy is a horrible animal owner!

~Julia

I am so sorry this happened to you! If the neighbor is your boyfriend's brother, that seems all the more reason that he should be cooperative in being neighborly and doing the right thing, IMHO.
This sounds like case for Judge Judy! She is an animal lover, and has not patience for those that do not respect other people's property. You should be compensated for the vet bills at least, if not for the loss of your horse. Maybe it would teach him a lesson that he should have more respect for his neighbors.

Technically it's his mothers horse, I only paid for half, and then I got my gelding, and she has another gelding. But, It comes down to it being her choice and decision, and it's her sons dog. She isn't going to make him pay for nothing, I am still going to help with vet bills, I feel she is my horse too. She is pretty fed up with the dog but I don't think she wil do any thing about it, but if it was MY gelding and not our mare, I would cause a big problem, especially since first thing this morning he was out barking and chasing them.

If you look closely, you can see her head ***** off to the right, and she can't control her mouth, the right side hangs slack and we have to hold her grain dish for her so she can eat.

Originally Posted by jlutgendorf

That's so sad!

I agree, the dogs owner needs to be sent a bill for any expense his dog has cost you. Especially every bill for your poor horse! The vet bill for treatment, for euthanasia, for digging the grave, and even for the value of the horse itself (not that you can put a true value on her, but at least for the initial purchase price).

Also if you think he's got animals that are negelected, send the SPCA, or animal control over. I would also look up leash laws for your county/city as he may be in violation by letting his dog run free. Also if you can prove the dog bit your horse, you can ask for a rabies quaranteen for 10 days. Might be enough to get this person to realize that you're serious and he can't just let his dog run wild.

I'm so sorry for what has happened to your family! And you know, if this guy is related to your boyfriend, then you bf needs to step up to plate and do the majority of this stuff for you! No need to turn you into the "evil girlfriend" simply because this guy is a horrible animal owner!

~Julia

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I think I may have confussed every one In fact I tried to edit it so it made a little more since, I didn't even understand what the heck I was talking about when I read it.
The neighbor who has live stock doesn't really have any thing to do with it, he sells animals he gets from auctions, he doesn't neglect the animals, he just buys them to resell, that's where the horses came from, as well as my brother in laws dog. I mentioned him, only because my brother in laws dog has attacked and killed several of his chickens. This dog has killed chickens, chases the horses and had bit me once and my daughter twice (never broke skin, although not really the point) The neighbor that has chickens and sold my brother in law the dog lives on the left of us, and we live in a duplex that his mother lives on one side and us on the other, my brother in law has only the one dog, has built a house back behind our place his drive way is between our house and the horse pasture. any way, his dog chases the horses faithfully, and my gelding has fallen a few times.
My mother in law got the mare (jezebel, the one who has been hurt) first, but let me pay half so I could own her too. It is really her horse, but I do most every thing with the horses, and have pretty much concidered her mine as well. but technecally she isn't mine, she takes care of her shots and every thing else, and when we go riding she rides her, I ride the gelding I got a year later.

We (she) hasn't decided now for sure, we had her out to get grass for a while and she hasn't fallen for a while but will still stumble, and leans to one side, but for now, as far as I know she isn't going to be laid away in the morning now, but don't know what will happen. She has a hard time eating, she can't control her lips so when she eats we have to hold her dish (we don't let her in the barn, she has a hard time turning around to the one side and can't get back out) she can't use her lips and eat like horses do, but she uses her teeth to try and bit into the grain, and looses half of it out of her mouth it is terrible to watch because we don't think she will ever get better, and will never be able to be riden, and wonder if we will come home and find she has fallen again and hurt her self. The vets said she had head trama (which we knew) and that's about it. Does any one know if a hard blow to the head would cause a stroke? we think she may have had a stroke because of her eye, ear, and lip on one side drooping. Or mabey she had a seizer or some thing to cause her to fall, know one acually saw her fall because of the dog chasing her, but just assumed because ten minutes earlier he was chasing them, and does every chance he gets.
So what does any one think about her getting a stroke by hitting her head? is it possible?

Jezebel is eating today, and another vet seems to think she will come out of this with no problems later on. She is doing so much better today, she still walks slow, and one of her legs is hard for her to control, but she can eat, I think my mother in law is going to give her a week. She still isn't sure what will happen with her, but for now, she isn't being put down today, and she has atleast a week (unless some thing goes wrong with her, and we feel she is suffering, for now she is on Bute(?) for pain, so I hope it is helping.
Does any one have any imput on a stroke? or that her head trama caused a stroke?

Poor girl.

I would say that in theory, yes a head injury can cause stroke, not sure if that is her case or not though.
Did the vet check her jaw and teeth?
Perhaps her jaw was dislocated or a tooth broken and it's simply the pain causing her to keep her head low and her lips slack.
Or maybe check the insides of her lips and cheeks, she may have bitten herself in the fall.
I doubt you want to reach back to check her cheeks, but maybe when the vet comes to check on her.

Originally Posted by Arlyn

Poor girl.

I would say that in theory, yes a head injury can cause stroke, not sure if that is her case or not though.
Did the vet check her jaw and teeth?
Perhaps her jaw was dislocated or a tooth broken and it's simply the pain causing her to keep her head low and her lips slack.
Or maybe check the insides of her lips and cheeks, she may have bitten herself in the fall.
I doubt you want to reach back to check her cheeks, but maybe when the vet comes to check on her.

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Yeah, I'm not sure if she had a stroke or not, just a thought since her lip, ear, and even her eye droops on the one side. No one say her fall, I was the first to see her down, so she could have landed on her face and broke a tooth, I don't think the vet checked her mouth, he didn't really do any thing except tell us she had head trama. I'm not sure about her jaw being dislocated though, she can't use her lips to pick up grain and uses her teeth, I have never seen a horse do that it looks funny. Could she eat like that, with her teeth, if her jaw was dislocated? We will have to have a closer look at her mouth in the morning. But, you think a head injury could cause a stroke, whether she had one or not, I had wondered if it was even possible, I don't know what does cause a stroke, and we are just trying to figure out what type of injury we have and what kind of long term affect it's going to have on her.
Thank-you.

Head injury can cause what is called a hemorrhagic stroke.



Is she responding normally otherwise?
All of the animals I've had, or seen that had suffered a stroke had a "The lights are on but nobody's home" look about them for a few days after.

Aw, the poor horsey..I hope she's okay.

Originally Posted by Arlyn

Head injury can cause what is called a hemorrhagic stroke.



Is she responding normally otherwise?
All of the animals I've had, or seen that had suffered a stroke had a "The lights are on but nobody's home" look about them for a few days after.

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Not really, When you look at her she looks like she doesn't know you, like she is frozen she also shivered the first night and day, her whole body shook, mostly in the back legs, but she looked like she was shivering. When you spoke to her she would settle a little, but she would try to sniff us and she would bump into you with her nose and she couldn't get into the barn because she couldn't turn her self. when she stands in the field you can move around her (quickly which usually made her jump a little and pick her head up) she just stands there with her head down and does nothing. She is also a cribber, she hadn't even done that until today. she tried but couldn't get her lips right to do it. I don't know what could be wrong or if she will ever be right again, she just isn't right. It's pretty hard to explain.

Well, the only thing I can say is that in people at least, the recovery rate and recovery speed from a hemorrhagic stroke is pretty good.

It's also possible that she's just still in shock.
Blanketing her may help some.

Thanks for all the info, it's hard to deal with this kind of thing when you know nothing about what is wrong. I told my mother in law if it was Nika (my gelding) I would give him a week, (or more if he needed it) I couldn't bare to think I put him down when in a couple weeks, or months, he would be fine. Besides, I wouldn't care if he couldn't ever be ride, and just a "pasture pet" Because he got hurt and can't be riden is no reason to put him down. I would keep him for ever whether he can be riden or not, as long as he can get along fine. I don't think she can bare to put her down either, I think she is going to wait on her too. they are young horses, 6 or 7 and under. At some point she could be fine. She very well could be in shock still too, she got quite a hit to her head, lost quite a bit of blood, and is a horse, she doesn't understand what is going on, so it makes sense. I check on her every couple hours during the night, to make sure she hasn't fallen on that darn barbed wire fence, and she is feeling good enough to crib on the barn Crazy horse.

Oh, I put a blanket on her, she doesn't seem to be shaking any more, but I will see if she feels comfortable with it on and it doesn't knock her off balance any. I can't sleep well right now, lol every noise I hear I'm out there with a flash light making sure she is alright.

Leslye,

I am so sorry that your horse is going through that. It must be devestating to watch her and wait to find out what the prognosis is going to be. Is Nika related to this horse? What is her name?
I would call a family meeting, and sit everyone down and everyone work together for a solution to keep the dog away from the horses and Celeste. It seems you must have a lot of land, maybe they could make a large fenced in area for the dog, so he still gets plenty of excercise.
I really hope that she continues making steps towards a full recovery. I agree, even if she can't be rode, if she isn't suffering, a life as a loved pet is still wonderful.
Please keep us updated, and I will be hoping for the best. ((HUGS))

Originally Posted by FamilytimeRags

Leslye,

I am so sorry that your horse is going through that. It must be devestating to watch her and wait to find out what the prognosis is going to be. Is Nika related to this horse? What is her name?
I would call a family meeting, and sit everyone down and everyone work together for a solution to keep the dog away from the horses and Celeste. It seems you must have a lot of land, maybe they could make a large fenced in area for the dog, so he still gets plenty of excercise.
I really hope that she continues making steps towards a full recovery. I agree, even if she can't be rode, if she isn't suffering, a life as a loved pet is still wonderful.
Please keep us updated, and I will be hoping for the best.

((HUGS))

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Thanks.
This whole thing has been such as mess. His kids are worried the horse is going to die, and "nanny" will make them get rid of the dog. And i'm the bad guy because I saw it (the horse down), but no one saw the dog and i'm just blaming him because I hate him, on and on. I wouldn't want to believe my dog did it either, but I would step up and take responseablity for the dog. I haven't seen the dog once today, but yesterday, the day after it happened he was out there chasing them. She has times where I think she will end up being ok and other times I think she's all done.
I don't feel if a animal isn't useful it should be "used for dog food" (not that we have any slaughter places around here, but alot of people feel if they are no longer useful they aren't feding it, but, I don't have a farm of tons of live stock or what ever he is just a pet, and if I couldn't keep him like that I would give him to a rescue so he can have a full life and be loved.
Jezebel is the mares name, none of our horses are related, they were all gotten from the other neighbor, she is a 6 or 7 yr TB/qtrhrs mabey, I really don't know,(any one have any ideas from her pic?) she came from an action in PA. My gelding Nikadeamus (nika) is a 5 or 6 yr standardbred. I don't have any info on him, but I think he was trained for racing he looks like he may have been a pacer. He does have a tatoo on his lip if I could look it up, I might find some thing about him. The other gelding is a 3 or 4 yr black appaloosa. He is a spoiled bone head and is off to school right now, he came from the area. I will keep you posted, but if I have my way, she will be around for a while as long as she is happy. I don't think it will take much, she love Jezebel as much as me, and just as willing to give her a chance as me I think.

Jezebel seems to have gone down hill. She seems to be really out of it (mabey she just had a dose of bute) she can't get her lip up at all and she is really drooling today. I took the blanket off it seemed to be heavey and weighed her down, and I'm afraid she will get it caught on the round hay feeder or on the fence. her legs look tired and she seems to be shaking again. Her face looks terrible still swollen and lots of seeping and seems pussed up and gross. I tried to wipe it up a little, I put a fly mask on but i'm afraid of it rubbing it, but there had to be 50 flies on her face when I went out. my mother in law isn't here today, she had to bring her brother to boston to catch a flight back home to MO, so I can't get a hold of her to let her know Jezebel seems worse and find out about the fly mask. I might have put this in the wrong forum and I'm not getting too many replies, but if some one has some advise please give it, I can really use it. Even if you just have a thought or suggestion, it would be greatly appreciated, I'm really worried because no one is around today and i'm here alone. I can't be out there a lot either, my 31/2 year old daughter wants to come in there with me, and I'm too afraid of the horse falling, or just getting upset by her, she is pretty loud.
Thanx

I'm so sorry

Only suggestion I have left is for the wound care.
If it is pussing up, try cleaning it really well with a betadine solution and then taking a warm, wet rag to it a few times a day.
Sounds like it's deep and you don't want it to scab over until it starts healing from the inside, otherwise it'll abcess.

When we kept hogs there was a product called Blue Lotion we used to get to put on newly gilted piglet scrotums to keep the flies away, maybe that would help?

Originally Posted by celestialrags

Jezebel seems to have gone down hill. She seems to be really out of it (mabey she just had a dose of bute) she can't get her lip up at all and she is really drooling today. I took the blanket off it seemed to be heavey and weighed her down, and I'm afraid she will get it caught on the round hay feeder or on the fence. her legs look tired and she seems to be shaking again. Her face looks terrible still swollen and lots of seeping and seems pussed up and gross. I tried to wipe it up a little, I put a fly mask on but i'm afraid of it rubbing it, but there had to be 50 flies on her face when I went out. my mother in law isn't here today, she had to bring her brother to boston to catch a flight back home to MO, so I can't get a hold of her to let her know Jezebel seems worse and find out about the fly mask. I might have put this in the wrong forum and I'm not getting too many replies, but if some one has some advise please give it, I can really use it. Even if you just have a thought or suggestion, it would be greatly appreciated, I'm really worried because no one is around today and i'm here alone. I can't be out there a lot either, my 31/2 year old daughter wants to come in there with me, and I'm too afraid of the horse falling, or just getting upset by her, she is pretty loud.
Thanx

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Have you watched her to see if she was having trouble eating? The location of the wound,the drooling,the loose muzzle,sounds like she may have damage the hinge of her jaw or cracked a cheek bone. As for her havng trouble making turns and such....a fall like that can really wrench their neck badly...kind of like whiplash,making her stiff,store,and out of balance. Make sure you watch her eat and look for signs of her not being able to chew...or drink. If it was a stroke or brain damage she would have a lot more severe symptoms,it would seem. And no I'm not a vet,but I've been with horses my entire life. Poor girl....I'm crossing my fingers and sending healing prayers.