Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
I said the site I listed had the same data, and my complaint was mainly with the page itself, from 99, and I did look at the front page.
As for how the US feels about it:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4965264.stm
It's not fair to keep talking about national security and classified information in an argument. If you happen to know it, you probably wouldn't even let on. Even if you do, it shouldn't be used in a discussion because there is no way to rebut it. Just like Bush did before we invaded Iraq, he convinced everyone he had all this information but couldn't tell us what it was, and anyone would have to admit that that information didn't turn out very well.
And you still say its unreliable information even if you looked at the frontpage? I guess the founders who were part of the Manhattan Project donâ€™t mean anything? Including the Nobel Laureates and the current scientists who work for FAS? Wow! Iâ€™ll explain a little more below why I chose that information.
How much do you know about nuclear stockpile inventories? They are kept to certain levels because of treaties (START I, II, III, Moscow, etc). They allow the maximum amount of weapons. Plain and simple. If you were bothered that the data was from 1999, you should do you your research instead of doing a yahoo search. I know that take a little more time, but still. Between 1999-2003ish, the weapons inventories have usually remained the same. Inventories have also been shrinking since 2003 all the way up to late 2005 when the Peacekeeper ICBM was deactivated in Wyoming and the Minuteman III missiles were modernized. And with saying that, the CDI site is incorrect in stating that the Peacekeeper would be deactivated by 2007. It was deactivated on September of 2005 and the last Squadron, the 400th Operations Group, deactivated in October of 2005. (Not classified information, btw, itâ€™s out there in the public domain). Thus the same numbers essentially on both graphs. Yeah one maybe be more "pretty" but they all tell me the same information. (But outdated, too a point, which would have lower numbers by now). START III will continue to reduce our nuclear weapons to the maximum allowed of 2,500 weapons. (The Russians are also willing to drop that further to 1,500, but I suspect that is due to their budgets possibly and with the US leaning toward 2,200 weapons.) Considering back in the 80â€™s we had 20,000 weapons, thatâ€™s a huge drop in inventory. Thereâ€™s much more information but I wonâ€™t get into it unless asked, but I hope that clears up a few things.
As for me using classified material in an argument, I havenâ€™t. All data that I present is in the public domain. It is out there on the internet on several military websites. I only stated that I didnâ€™t want to mention a movie that nearly showed step by step on how to make a nuke. This whole situation in Iran and the Middle East for that matter is a national security issue, but again, I am not arguing using classified information what so ever. If I did, I risk imprisonment in a federal institution for doing so.
Like ValanHB said, I maintain friendships with people who are still out in the field to officers and enlisted who have retired and were doing the same thing I was back in the 50â€™s thru the 90â€™s. I am also a member of the Association of Air Force Missileers that keeps up with the day to day information on our ICBM forces and board members who work with Active Duty personal, one of them, being my old boss.
And as comparing me to Bush about what classified information I know,
Don't even go there because you will lose, badly. I do know my information since I worked with this stuff daily. Don't go there.
Anyways, I hope this clears up a few thingsâ€¦