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Despicable Crimes Against Mexican Boy. Why???

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060427/...tkBHNlYwM3MTg-
In case you're squeamish, the brief is that 2 Anglo teens beat, stabbed & sodomized (with a metal pipe) a Mexican boy for allegedly trying to kiss a 12 year old girl at a party! The victim is in critical condition with severe internal injuries and has about a 50/50 chance of survival. The perpetrators claim that they did it because he was trying to kiss a 12 year old white girl.
What happened to "opening a can of whup-A**", if it was that big of a deal? And to sodomize - isn't that weird??
I am afraid that all this illegal immigration debating is going to rekindle the ugliness of prejudice When I hear some of the vehement public comments against Hispanics, I cringe, as I'm Hispanic, never mind the fact that my ancestors included native Californian tribes and my father's people have been here since Spain "owned" California. I haven't personally felt this kind of animosity since shortly after 9/11.
post #2 of 16
Those boys learned to hate from somewhere, and they've been taught that for much longer than the immigration debate has been in the headlines. Although, I do fear that you're right - those who are already predjudiced against hispanics are going to use this as an excuse to be more vocal about it.
post #3 of 16
That is disgusting. Those boys who did that need to be taught a lesson. This story reminds me sort of lynch mobs. I hope these boys are actually punished and don't just get a slap on the wrist.
post #4 of 16
Absolutely horrific! If those boys get sent to prison, they will learn what it feels like.
post #5 of 16
That is just awful!!! Those boys need some help and need to be put away for a LONG time!! I feel terrible for that boy. And for the other kids to just watch that happen, thats awful!!
post #6 of 16
I had heard the story on the news so just now read the linked story. The crime itself is horrific enough, but I'm almost as mad at the "investigators" and prosecutors.

Quote:
...[the attackers were) shouting anti-Hispanic epithets, said sheriff's Lt. John Martin.

He was in critical condition Thursday, five days after the attack. A police officer said investigators believe the attack was prompted by the age gap between the beating victim and the younger girl.
and
Quote:
"Whether it is one or isn't a hate crime, and it may be, that will make no difference here," Trent said. "This is already a first-degree felony and it can't be elevated any higher. There's nowhere to go beyond this, unless the victim dies."
How do you say that this is NOT a hate crime? How do you ignore the obvious (that in a town where the population is only 18% hispanic, and they were shouting racial slurs), and say it was because of the age difference? And how does that NOT make a difference in the way the case is presented to the juries? It sounds to me like those two sick boys are not the only ones in town with a racist attitude!
post #7 of 16
Plus, even if it already is a first-degree felony, I think in most places the minimum sentence is higher for a hate crime.
I can't even describe how disgusted I am by the perpetrators.
post #8 of 16
I find it sad that if this were any other person, we'd have 18 replies by now, but instead this thread has only 6 (now 7).

The boys should be prosecuted as harshly as the law allows.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by Aussie_Dog
I find it sad that if this were any other person, we'd have 18 replies by now, but instead this thread has only 6 (now 7).

The boys should be prosecuted as harshly as the law allows.
What is there to reply, really? Nobody is going to defend the kids who committed this atrocious crime.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by jcat
What is there to reply, really? Nobody is going to defend the kids who committed this atrocious crime.
Exactly!

I read this and had nothing to add. It's all been said.

There's some sick people out there.
post #11 of 16
"Whether it is one or isn't a hate crime, and it may be, that will make no difference here," Trent said. "This is already a first-degree felony and it can't be elevated any higher. There's nowhere to go beyond this, unless the victim dies."

I read this as meaning that a first degree felony carries a higher punishment than a hate-crime, calling it a first degree felony is the worst description. If the victim dies, they become murderers, which carries a worse punishment.

And if the crime is to be prosecuted in an area where there is lots of prejudice....the focus should be on the crime IMO. Of course you can't ignore the component of racial hatred, especially since they were making racial slurs during the attack!

To me, although the victim is hispanic, that is irrelevant to how I feel about him. He is human, and endured a horrible attack. The fact that the attackers are white in no way makes them more sympathetic to me. They sound like monsters.
post #12 of 16
I got a little curious about the differences between hate crime and felony assault and battery... so I looked it up.
One thing is that if this were tried as a hate crime it could be prosecuted as a federal crime instead of by the town / state prosecutors. Which is very bad for the "defendants". But I guess since it's being tried as a first-degree felony,it can't do much else. If it weren't, it could raise the felony to first-degree.
post #13 of 16
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/04/27....ap/index.html The way CNN explains it, the added hate crime charge would only make a difference if the boy died, as then his attackers could face the death penalty.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
Sec. 249. Hate crime acts
From Senate Bill 1145 -
`(a) In General-

`(1) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person--

`(A) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

`(B) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--

`(i) death results from the offense; or

`(ii) the offense includes kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill."
....sounds to me like this crime fulfills both the hate crime aspect as well as the aggravated sexual abuse one
post #15 of 16
This makes me ill. I just don't know what this world has come to.
It comes from their parents. Without a stinkin' doubt.... it comes from their parents.
I am a firm believer that kids learn what they see and hear. I say lock their "behinds" up and feed the key to a shark.

This story made me remember what a friend of mine (a hispanic male who happens to be the godfather of my oldest daughter, Laynee) told me happened to him the other day as he was leaving a grocery store.
He told me that when he was walking into the store there were 2 little kids (around 6 and 7 years old) riding the little horsey carosel. He said he smiled at them and just kept walking and that he noticed the 2 kids snickering amongst themselves. Well as he walked past them again (to leave the store) the 2 kids shouted out "Nasty Mexican"!!!!
The parents of the kids were sitting in their van only a few feet away!!!!
I asked him what did he say and he told me that he was so shocked that he was speechless. He just shook his head and walked away. I told him that he should have told them that he feels sorry for them because their parents have taught them to hate.

I am just disgusted at how this world is becoming.
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