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post #1 of 18
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I have been doing a bit of reading on what is good for our cats and dogs and what isn't. I found this site, and wanted to get others input on it.


(CBS) A trend that's starting to catch on among pet owners is worrying many veterinarians.

More and more dogs and cats are finding raw food in their bowls, says The Early Show's resident veterinarian, Dr. Debbye Turner.

She explains to co-anchor Julie Chen that the raw food diets consist mainly of beef, chicken and lamb. Most are commercially prepared. They also contain vegetables, fruits and grains.

A twist on them is known as "Barf," which stands for biologically appropriate raw food. It used to be known as bones and raw food.

The meats generally come in little patties, or bricks, which are frozen.

But because this is raw meat, you have to treat it as raw meat, Turner cautions.

There's also a freeze-dried version, which you don't have to refrigerate. And organic chicken is available.

Turner says proponents of raw food diets "sing their praises high to the heavens and back. They say that it keeps the animal healthier and they'll live longer. They'll go to the vet less. Their coat will be shinier. They'll perform better, they'll have a better immune system, their teeth will be cleaner. They have enzymes that help their immune system. They tout it to the rooftop and back, saying wild canines and felines eat raw foods. So our pets are made to eat these type of diets."

But, Turner stresses, most veterinarians have huge concerns, and they fall into two basic categories: nutrition and safety.

"First of all," Turner points out, "there has been no study that proves that these diets are more healthful for them. A cat's diet and a dog's diet have very specific nutritional requirements. Some of the studies are having hard time proving that these are nutritionally adequate for pets.

"As for safety, this is raw meat, so there's bacteria involved. There are some hygiene issues. It can make your family sick from handling these improperly, as well as making your animals sick."

Turner notes that some believers say raw meat diets are no different than handling the raw meat that we do when we cook for our families.

"The trouble is," Turner says, "we don't do a good job with that with our own family and so probably won't do a good job with this. These things have to remain frozen. You have to keep all the surfaces clean. You have to wash your hands. The difference is you cook the meat for your family. So that danger goes away once you cook it. With this, the animal is eating it in its raw form. It can't stay out very long once you thaw them. They don't last long in the refrigerator. So that bacterial component remains there."

As for those dogs and cats in the wild who eat raw meat, "There is bacteria in there. Some of the proponents say cats and dogs have a higher acidity, which is a lower Ph in the stomach, making them more impervious to the bacterial component here.

"But the truth is, many bacteria develop a coating, if you will, so they can make it through the stomach without being killed, then set up an infection in the small intestine. Concerns include e coli, salmonella and even parasites."

And freezing the raw meat "might make the bacteria inactive in the freezer. But as soon as you thaw it, most of those bacteria become active as well."

Many of these raw foods include bones, but Turner says they're generally ground up, so they're not a big concern. But bones in their natural form could be big chunks, and can break teeth or lead to severe damage in the small intestine, which could prompt a surgical emergency.

Bottom line, Turner says: Check with your vet before putting Fido or Morris on a raw food diet.
post #2 of 18
Its true that not much research has been done on this topic. And yes proper hygiene must be used here. Its a shame they don't do studies on this. However, for cats there is one thing that is interesting to read:
http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/PottsCats.html

Also vets do turn to a raw diet in a health crisis where no other cure works. Its rather unfortunate this is the only way they will use it. Holistic vets also take this approach.
post #3 of 18
I know I take alot of extra time in clean up since the two humans have suppresed immune systems ... Raw food has done great in my dog ... the cat got her coat back and the other is a dry food junkie but healthy ... I think every animal is different and am glad I have a vet who will discuss this ...
post #4 of 18
Vets just want to sell you the products they are paid to have in their offices.

My pets are very healthy from eating raw.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by missymotus
Vets just want to sell you the products they are paid to have in their offices.

My pets are very healthy from eating raw.
I think this may be a somewhat GENERAL statement. True, a lot of vets know little about nutrition, but there are others that are educated.

As for your pet being healthy from eating raw, that's wonderful. Our two are very healthy and aren't eating raw so that's the other side of the coin.

As with anything else in this life, we all make personal choices - sometimes they are good choices - sometimes not so good but as long as people who feed raw do the research, use good common sense re cleanliness/storage, there probably won't be any negative consequences.
post #6 of 18
I agree with Yosemite about choices and common sense.

As a raw feeder and a proponent of the practice, I do think there is reason for legitimate concern about raw feeding becoming mainstream.
Because let's face it....sense.....isn't common. At least not like it should be.

I am convinced that feeding raw is the best for your pet in most instances, but it does take extra work and extra precautions. Not everyone will heed the warnings about safe handling of un-cooked meats, so clearly feeding raw could be a potential hazzard for these people.

As long as people realize, that the meat is raw coming out of the bag, going into your cats dish, and what remains in the dish, or on the floor (messy cats), is still raw and needs to be treated as such, it is a safe practice to feed raw.
Other things to keep in mind are:
Utensils use to dish up the food, containers used to store the food, food prep surfaces and appliances used to make the raw diet, need to be handled and cleaned in the proper manner.
Raw food has a short "shelf life", just like any other raw meat. Once thawed, 2 to 3 days max in the fridge. When in doubt, throw it out.

I only thaw out as much as my cats will eat that same day.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
As for your pet being healthy from eating raw, that's wonderful. Our two are very healthy and aren't eating raw so that's the other side of the coin.
Oh I agree with that, I didn't mean that everyone should feed raw just because I do.
post #8 of 18
We have one eating raw here. and it is alot of extra work. but it was the only thing that worked for her.
post #9 of 18
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For those who want the best for their cats, but don't have the time. Heck I don't even have the time to feed my poor husband half the time. LOL Is a good canned cat food ok too? I did feed them can and kibble in Nurta Natural Choice Complete Care. But they had such bad smelling poo that I had to take them off the wet food. I took them to the vets because I was worried about the poo, and they said to take them off the food they were on and try another. I took them off it one food at a time to see it that was the problem. And it turned out to be the wet food causing the problem. So if I try them on another brand, do you think it will be the same responce? Is there any really good canned cat food?
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by frawri
For those who want the best for their cats, but don't have the time. Heck I don't even have the time to feed my poor husband half the time. LOL Is a good canned cat food ok too? I did feed them can and kibble in Nurta Natural Choice Complete Care. But they had such bad smelling poo that I had to take them off the wet food. I took them to the vets because I was worried about the poo, and they said to take them off the food they were on and try another. I took them off it one food at a time to see it that was the problem. And it turned out to be the wet food causing the problem. So if I try them on another brand, do you think it will be the same responce? Is there any really good canned cat food?
which formulas were u using in canned??? if they were fish based there is your stink ... I use about ten different brands and any time fish is the base of the wet food the potty stinks bad... I say try a few different brands of wet
post #11 of 18
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It was kitty formula, gen chicken.
post #12 of 18
Mine usually get really stinky poo too when on Wet. I have found with the Meow Mix pouches they havent. and also the Natures Variety Can's
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by frawri
It was kitty formula, gen chicken.
try avoiding chn... i wonder if the stink isnt a slight allergy

Natural balence Evo Pro pac Meow mix are ones without chn in wet food off the top of my head..
post #14 of 18
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Now this might sound dumb, but what is chn?
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by frawri
Now this might sound dumb, but what is chn?
Not dumb at all ... chicken or chn
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for understanding. Is there any other brand that you know of that has good canned food? So I should try lamb and rice, the sort of thing for sensitive tummies? I need a brand that is a little easier to get. Evo dry I can find but Evo wet I don't think they carry it.
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by frawri
Thanks for understanding. Is there any other brand that you know of that has good canned food? So I should try lamb and rice, the sort of thing for sensitive tummies? I need a brand that is a little easier to get. Evo dry I can find but Evo wet I don't think they carry it.
no laughing ... meow mix has some very solid formulas... Pro pac is good ... My girls like Natural balences venison and pea ... I also feed raw ...
post #18 of 18
Pudge's poo has no smell on Felidae wet, but on Evo wet...blech!
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