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post #1 of 27
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http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1812054&page=1
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/0...est/index.html
Having just watched a television special about Internet predators, and read articles like the above ones, I find myself really wondering if we Internet users are doing enough to protect minors we encounter online, or those we know personally who spend quite a bit of time online. I'm fully behind site policies restricting minors' use of PMs, or their providing email addresses or IM info. The question is, do we do enough? Whom do you contact if you believe somebody is trying to seduce a child/children online, or if you believe a minor is providing so much information that he/she is prime "prey"?
post #2 of 27
My school is letting someone convicted of oral sex with a minor (he is about 70) live ON CAMPUS in FAMILY HOUSING. The school recently began letting grad students and such rent the family housing apartments that weren't being filled by families (most of whom now commute), and this guy was one of them. I don't disagree that he's done his time and should be able to go to school, but he shouldn't be living there, and there's certainly no requirement that he live on campus so it was his choice to live there and the school's to let him.
We should be doing more in general to keep predators away from children and anyone else. It is the sort of crime that definitely hurts others and a class of criminals with an extremely low rehabilitation rate. They just caught a bunch of people with a kiddie-porn ring. But sometimes people forget that it's not just the internet thats dangerous.
I had two friends in middle school who were determined to go meet these guys they met online at the mall. They wouldn't listen to anything I said, and even knew the guys had the intention of a sexual relationship, so I told my parents and they called their parents and the two girls were not allowed out of their sight for months. They were really really mad at me, but so what?
Its so great that the internet allows something people think is anonymity, because it attracts pedophiles and so the police can catch them before they do anything (or do it again) using themselves as bait, where it would be impossible for them to have an undercover officer pose as a child in real life!
post #3 of 27
I recently went to the very popular site where you can create your own page, etc. I did a search using one of my niece's names and her school name. I had no problem finding her. It also said where she worked, and it had messages from her and some of her friends saying when she was working, etc. From her page, I was able to find the pages of her sisters. Unfortunately same story. Way too much information. I let my brother know, and they have since been edited. I do blame my brother to a certain extent. With the many parental controls, etc that can be set up he should know what his daughters are doing. He also needs to sit them down and explain about Internet predators.

I know there are people that don't believe in limiting access to minors. I would like to hear their side of the story and the reasoning behind it. Is it freedom of speech, letting a child make their own decisions and treating them like an adult, or is it just ignorance to the dangers of the world?
post #4 of 27
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I have to admit that I check up on my nieces and nephews, with the exception of my oldest niece, who is 24 and in graduate school. I know their Internet monikers, and regularly use search engines to see what information they're providing. My sister and brother-in-law aren't really Internet-savvy. and the kids are too trusting.
post #5 of 27
I found this website: http://www.worldinternetpolice.org/

I'm assuming they are legit. When I used AOL in high school I reported all perverts to AOL via a link on the instant message box. It amazes me the info kids are willing to give to complete strangers!
post #6 of 27
Unfortunately, blogging is a very popular things nowadays. (personal diaries that anyone can read online.) and alot of people blogging are young girls and boys. Alot of these kids believe this could never happen to me!! One time I went to a very popular website where you can download wallpapers to your computer and people can post their pictures which you can download. I came across girls about 13 posing in their bras and underwear in very seductive stances!! well, I emailed some of the people in charge of the site and sent them what was on their site, and they emailed me saying I can get arrested for sending child porn!!!!!!!! I was mad because I emailed them back and said,...hey..these pictures are on your site and you guys need to have more people monitoring and to contact someone!!!!! I was only reporting becsause looking up their user ids was pretty easy!!! It took 2 months before I didn't see the pictures, but not sure if it is because of them. I will never ever forgot how rude it was, that i feel why report it? (of course I still will. but they made me feel like I was the perv and not someone who was trying to help. these girls could have gotton kidnapped and who knows what) unfortunately, you still see teenagers posing on that site.
post #7 of 27
Good grief! I'm registered on a dating site and they don't allow members to post real names, addresses or e-mail addys, in their profiles and we're all ADULTS. Why don't these other sites do that, for minors? Granted, I can do so, in private messages but I'm 48 years old.
post #8 of 27
I think right now we're witnessing the earlier stages of this. The technology is out there to track these sickos, but BUT its also an invasion of privacy (aka Big Brother and everything that the government is doing to find out about terrorists in DHS).
If there's probable cause, then that's when police can go in and start tracking the sites and such, but then it becomes a chicken and egg thing: how do you catch an internet predator if he's doing this in the privacy of our own home?
Perhaps in the next 5-6 years police departments will be able to make known sexual offenders give up their rights of what they can surf and/or be tracked on where they go and quite possibly what they say. Right now it becomes a conflict of freedoms.
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by lunasmom
I think right now we're witnessing the earlier stages of this. The technology is out there to track these sickos, but BUT its also an invasion of privacy (aka Big Brother and everything that the government is doing to find out about terrorists in DHS).
If there's probable cause, then that's when police can go in and start tracking the sites and such, but then it becomes a chicken and egg thing: how do you catch an internet predator if he's doing this in the privacy of our own home?
Perhaps in the next 5-6 years police departments will be able to make known sexual offenders give up their rights of what they can surf and/or be tracked on where they go and quite possibly what they say. Right now it becomes a conflict of freedoms.
It's interesting that you bring this up, as it is very much an issue right now here in Colorado, because they have run into a brick wall on a pedophile case that involves the internet and a video distributed via the internet. The video of the rape of a (I hate to even write this out.....) two year old ( ) was traced to a computer here in Colorado. They were this close to finding the waste of human flesh who is at best distributing it, at worst who did it (or is it the other way around?). They have not been able to track down the victim. The problem is that Comcast, who is very much willing to work with authorities on crimes like this, does not keep records of their users. Apparently, not even enough to say WHO was using that IP address to send the file, which they do have in the immediate time frame but the information is purged. The Colorado legislation is proposing an addition to an internet predator bill that is already in committee that ISPs should have to keep records like that for one year that can be accessed by law officers specifically in the case of an assault against a child.
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by AbbysMom
I recently went to the very popular site where you can create your own page, etc. I did a search using one of my niece's names and her school name. I had no problem finding her. It also said where she worked, and it had messages from her and some of her friends saying when she was working, etc. From her page, I was able to find the pages of her sisters. Unfortunately same story. Way too much information. I let my brother know, and they have since been edited. I do blame my brother to a certain extent. With the many parental controls, etc that can be set up he should know what his daughters are doing. He also needs to sit them down and explain about Internet predators.

I know there are people that don't believe in limiting access to minors. I would like to hear their side of the story and the reasoning behind it. Is it freedom of speech, letting a child make their own decisions and treating them like an adult, or is it just ignorance to the dangers of the world?
Would the site be called My webspace.come. My niece was on it her mom said she put down she was 17 so had to take it off, well She asked me to find out if I could find her to make sure she took it off. I said OK, but also thinking you are the parent no is no now yank her of the pc....
post #11 of 27
It's called myspace.com, but there are dozens of them now.
post #12 of 27
It's a scary world we live in.

I don't like these blogs either because theres too much personal info there. My friend cut the plug off her daughters computer a few years ago when she was 16 because she was chatting to people she didn't know.
post #13 of 27
Sometimes, the good guys win:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12190906/
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by valanhb
The Colorado legislation is proposing an addition to an internet predator bill that is already in committee that ISPs should have to keep records like that for one year that can be accessed by law officers specifically in the case of an assault against a child.
I'm actually surprised that there isn't a federal law requiring it. Following the London bombings, the EU passed such legislation, not only requiring ISPs to retain records of all Internet activities for six months, but also phone and mobile companies to do so. The idea behind it is to make it easier to prosecute terrorists, but it will also help authorities to track down kiddie porno rings, for example. Surprisingly enough, there was little public outcry.
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by valanhb
It's interesting that you bring this up, as it is very much an issue right now here in Colorado, because they have run into a brick wall on a pedophile case that involves the internet and a video distributed via the internet. The video of the rape of a (I hate to even write this out.....) two year old ( ) was traced to a computer here in Colorado. They were this close to finding the waste of human flesh who is at best distributing it, at worst who did it (or is it the other way around?). They have not been able to track down the victim. The problem is that Comcast, who is very much willing to work with authorities on crimes like this, does not keep records of their users. Apparently, not even enough to say WHO was using that IP address to send the file, which they do have in the immediate time frame but the information is purged. The Colorado legislation is proposing an addition to an internet predator bill that is already in committee that ISPs should have to keep records like that for one year that can be accessed by law officers specifically in the case of an assault against a child.
You know, its interesting that you bring this up. I don't mean to deter the thread, but way back when music downloads from KaZaA and WinMX were easily traceable through your ISP, which lead to so many fines from the government. Comcast (as well as other ISPs) used to be in the loop on this. I wonder why now when it comes to internet predators, they suddenly say they don't do this? It's not like they can't get a hold of the Internet addresses like they did with Napster and such.
post #16 of 27
It seems like if the recording industry can track down a song to some kids' dorm and then sue, the police could track down a picture and arrest you. You know, one of the dangerous things about kids and computers is what a 14-yr-old boy thinks is a picture of his friend may well be kiddie porn to someone else. I ran across a website once where someone, who I hope was a kid and think was, had posted pictures of girls in provocative poses and outfits, and I reported it. It got taken down within three hours. Another stupid thing about these websites is that people post their address and phone number on it... which is insane.
post #17 of 27
I am in Utah and they are having big stings here. They have caught alot of the sickos since Jan.
post #18 of 27
I don't have a link to a story, but I remember it from TV because it really surprised me. A 16 year old girl was charged with distributing child pornography because she posted pictures *of herself* wearing almost nothing in provacative poses.

We're very, very good friends with people who have daughters aged 14 & 12. We spend a lot of time with them. The 14 year old has a boyfriend (ain't that cute ) who is the same age as she is. I'm telling you right now.... ANY ADULT WHO FINDS KIDS THE AGE OF 16 OR YOUNGER SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE IS SICK AND SHOULD BE ARRESTED, LOCKED UP, AND NEVER LET OUT!!!
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by valanhb
ANY ADULT WHO FINDS KIDS THE AGE OF 16 OR YOUNGER SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE IS SICK AND SHOULD BE ARRESTED, LOCKED UP, AND NEVER LET OUT!!!
I couldn't agree more Heidi, theres something wrong with them mentally without a doubt to want to go with young kids end of!.
post #20 of 27
Heidi, I don't remember that story, but I do remember one about a kid that was 16 or 17 that molested children younger then him...that was just wrong. I couldn't even finish reading the story.
post #21 of 27
Without going in to much detail but I know someone who was 30 and married a 15 yr old they had kids together and he did the unimaginable to his daughter and get this he turned himself in was told to get counseling and pay a fine. Kids where taken away and given to grandparents and where OK to go home after the counseling was over. He approached her again at 16 she left the house. The state of California gave them a foster care license and that is when I stepped in and well I will leave it at that, but the end verdict he and his wife plead basically guilty to misconduct of foster kids and where told they could have no kids around the. This was 4 yrs ago. Since then my kids are with me because I feel CA did nothing to this man who had admitted he is a rapist, molester and child beater. He is a armed security guard also. Yes he is psych. I took action and I will continue to.
post #22 of 27
The problem isnt only with minors even some adults are in danger or young adults because they let out too much info.

I have a friend in australia at the moment who joined up on a profile site stating she was 18, but in reality she is actually still 17, She let out her surname and now men wont stop calling her, she cant afford to list her self as private, so now these men have her home telephone number and address.
She is nearly 18 and she has had to learn so much with in the last 4 weeks.
I told her to remove her self from the site and to quit picking up her phone or just be firm to tell those men to go away or else she has to call the police.

Back in 1999 it was so easy to hack into peoples computers and find information, i have to admit being 12, 13, 14 i put my self into so much danger but thank god nothing serious happened to me.

I wouldnt have met wonderful people with out the internet if Pm's and messaging for under 18's was prohibited!
post #23 of 27
My aunty's friend was "internet dating" some guy she had never met, who lived all the way in Toronto. She convinced my aunty to drive her all the way from Sask to Ontario to go meet this guy and they left with out telling anyone.

When I finally talked to my aunty I asked her if she was friggen crazy!?!?! This guy could have raped and killed them and no one would have known where they went and to top it off, the friend brought along her 3 year old daughter! I don't even want to imagine. How stupid can some people be sometimes?
post #24 of 27
I agree my friend is living with a guy who she meet online and then 2 weeks later went to visit and now lives with him and he is 33 years older
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by momof3rugratz
I agree my friend is living with a guy who she meet online and then 2 weeks later went to visit and now lives with him and he is 33 years older
wow. That's crazy. Like how can one know a person after two weeks and this isn't even in person. I wouldn't have the guts to do that.

My cousin Bev was engaged and owned her own house then all the sudden she when like sorta crazy and her fiance dumped her, then she met some other guy and moved to his apartment, then started internet dating someone else and he left her to go live back with his mom. She flew all the way to Texas to meet this guy over christmas, left her kid with her mom and didn't even buy her daughter a single christmas present. Anyways That was a little rant.

She ended up marrying this guy and lives in Texas now.
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by IloveSiamese
wow. That's crazy. Like how can one know a person after two weeks and this isn't even in person. I wouldn't have the guts to do that.

My cousin Bev was engaged and owned her own house then all the sudden she when like sorta crazy and her fiance dumped her, then she met some other guy and moved to his apartment, then started internet dating someone else and he left her to go live back with his mom. She flew all the way to Texas to meet this guy over christmas, left her kid with her mom and didn't even buy her daughter a single christmas present. Anyways That was a little rant.

She ended up marrying this guy and lives in Texas now.
Some people are just nutz Sorry
post #27 of 27
Honestly, this is a little scary for me. My little sister met a "boy" (We think he was 18 or 19 in truth) who lived across the country and he started "dating" her. Thank god she cut the ties on that one, but then one of her friends (who was still talking to him) ran away from home and got an apartment over there... she's disabled (Multiple Scoliosis sp?) and very headstrong. I don't know if she's come home yet.

Also, a few years ago I tried out one of the chat programs (can't remember which it was) that allowed you to randomly talk to someone. One guy got on and told me he was a male stripper and wanted to exchange pictures. I said no... but didn't even think at the time that there might have been anything wrong. Stupid... stupid me!

I know these stories aren't exactly what we're talking about here... but I guess the point is just, I'm scared for my little sister (16 now). And one thing confuses me... Have I just missed all the perverts that are out there? Or are they just now all cropping up?
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