Originally Posted by IloveSiamese
This one is close to home because what that women lawyer said is exactly RIGHT. Things that happened in the past can cause generational side effects for many many years to come and our societies are designed to keep status quo especially when it comes to social classes.
We cannot complain as a society about thing being unfair because we have no idea what people go through. Like do you think that people would like to live in gehtos and be scared of getting shot and doing drugs if they didn't have to be there.
The social welfare system is setup to make people dependent instead of independent and is a viscious cycle.
It is very important in our society to have people in the work force equally represented and I believe that if someone beats out someone else for a job based on race because they need that help to get out the cycle than I am all for it. Its not like that happens with every job, so if that white person is so qualified, then they should have no problem getting work else where.
I hate to pick on this post because I agree with a lot of what you are saying but I'm sorry this kind of cycle isn't dependant upon race, it's dependant upon what you grow up around. The examples that are set and followed by a group of people. I will put this out there though, I am a white person so maybe I don't get it.
My mother grew up dirt poor with several sisters and a brother and she is the only one that broke the cycle of poverty. How did she do it? The same way that every other person regardless of color does it. Finishing school, working hard, and living a clean (legal) life. The rest of her family is still in proverty and as my mother puts it. It's because they just don't know any other way. And it's not just my Mother's family, you can go anywhere in America and see the same thing that crosses color lines.
And you should see the neighborhood I grew up in, talk about a getho. It wasn't really bad when we moved in but by the time I grew up it was scary. And by scary, I mean there was a drug house next door and that only after the police busted the prostitutes that had set up house there before and drive by shooting happening regularly. So I know the fear that is associated with living in those places.
But would you know that to look at me now? No at least I don't think so my parents would have knocked me silly had I even started to behave like the people in the neighborhood. And education was stressed as important when I was growing up failure to get good grades was not tolerated. It had nothing to do with the society that I grew up in. It had to do with the parents I grew up with and for that I am very lucky.
How did we get out of that neighborhood? My mother graduated college the year before I graduated high school and got a much better job because of it. My father took a job that took him out of town often with travel which he hated in order to make more money And my parent's scrimped and saved in order to be able afford to move out of the neighborhood because it was important to them to be able to do so.
But because of where I came from, I have very little tolerance for whaaa I can't get out of this neighborhood or out of this cycle of poverty but it's okay for my kids to bring home failing grades and to run around with the neighborhood thugs and I won't even think about educating myself because that's too much work. And dang it people owe me this and that and the other. Now I don't know that may just be the mentality of the particular neighborhood I grew up in but I doubt it. I visit it fairly often because I still have family that live there.
In comparission, I went to school with several kids that were bussed in from an even worse part of town than were I am from. And you could tell those kids, whose parts encouraged and made them work at school from those whose parent's didn't. I can think of six kids off the top of my head from my graduating class that went onto college that were in this program. Which is a great start to breaking the cycle in at least those six instances. I also have a real issue with Johnny doesn't have to study he's good a football/rap (or insert whatever Johnny is good at). Guess what very few make in sports or entertainment so that's not a good way to make it out of poverty for most.
I do agree that our social welfare system is a lot of the problem though. Instead of encouraging people to go out and better themselves and their lives, it more or less teaches them to do as little as possible just enough to get by. It like so many of the other government run programs desperately needs an overhaul. But I don't think that will happen in my lifetime and I'm fairly young yet. I'd be less surprised to see a grass roots movement make a real difference than welfare helping the poor to get out of poverty.
And I do take issue with the give the ______ (I'll leave a blank so you can fill in whatever you choose there) a job even though there is someone better for the job just because they are ________. I've worked my tail off to be qualified for my job. Why is it the color of my skin or anybody elses should have berring on what job they get? I have no problem loosing out on a job to someone that can do it better or at the same level as me. But I do have a problem, with someone less qualified getting a position simply to fill a quota.
So here's novel idea, how about people apply for jobs that they are qualified for. And whatever the color of your skin, it's not likily you are going to be the less qualified applicant every time either.
I wouldn't have nearly this issue with this I do have if it was based on class and not race. I can understand giving someone a helping hand because they come from proverty rather than giving someone a helping hand simply for the way the race they were born. Sorry but I went to school with several wealthly black (although you can put any color here) students and it chaps my hide that they get hand up simpily for the color of their skin when they already had so much going for them to start with. And other kids that needed the help much more don't get the same help because they were born white.
Oh and one more thing as far as the neighborhoods violence and drugs and such go, only as much of that stuff goes down as the people in the neighborhood allow. If enough people in the neighborhood said, enough this will stop and we will work with whatever group (Ie the police or who ever) those things would stop. Unfortunately it's not a minority in a lot of neighborhoods that are involved those activities so no one speaks up and points fingers which is sad and only makes things worse.
Sorry we've hit upon another hot button with me. It makes me so angry to see people whine so much but actually take so little action to correct the root cause of the problem.
Oh and I do believe when Afirmative Action was put in place, it was needed but we're talking what 40 years ago now? If nothing else, it needs a good looking at to make sure that we are still achieving what we set out to achieve. Which I believe was to give people a fair shot at employment. If not, then we need to rework the system.
Oh and back to the original posting, I don't have a problem with people wanting to celebrate their own cultures. Heck have all the festivals you want celebrating your culture. Declare a couple of holidays do whatever makes you happy. Speak your own language at home and in the company of friends, follow your own religion. Celebrate til the cows come home all the things about your culture that make it great. And hold up those people in your community that are examples of success especially for those areas that your culture has a weekend in. (Ie Marriage month, or small business owners month, spelling bee month, or whatever.) Oh and if you are a success in your culture why not join an orginization like Big Brother/Big Sisters and make an effort to help along the youth of your culture. Give the kids someone to look up to and something to work toward.
But don't for one instant try and fost your culture off on the community you're living in. In other words, what ever culture you live in: have the decency to learn the language and customs so when you are out in public being a part of the culture that people around you don't have to conform to your cultural norms. Oh and when I do celebrate my culture, don't start shouting about how it is discriminatory that your culture isn't reflected in my celebration. I don't expect my culture to be reflected in your celebrations.
Ok, I'll get off my soap box before it breaks under me.