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post #1 of 17
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I ran into a vet yesturday while working who thought Science diet and Royal canin were both great foods ... I asked why since in my book from my research Royal canin is light years ahead ... He said cause they do research ... He would buy a food that didnt do research that he would get at his office... I helped him and in the process found a food that is a senior but high calorie.... But come on all his" research " was reading phamplets and listening to reps and he is telling his patients this... At least most vets say this is what I sell but wither I like this food and that or I dont know.... thanks for listening to my rant ...
post #2 of 17
They get a commission, and normally don't have enough time to keep up on the latest foods. My vets (partners) sell Science Diet, Royal Canin, Iams, Eukanuba, Waltham's, and Öko-Med (canned organic beef, only available locally). They know I try to keep up on what's available here, and where, and have requested that I keep them up-to-date, so we exchange a lot of emails. I buy so much cat food from so many suppliers that the latter send me offers with lists of ingredients, which I simply forward to my vets. A couple of weeks ago one of the vets called me because a patient had severe allergies, and she was at a loss as far as "unique" protein sources were concerned. She'd never heard of Natural Balance, because it quite simply isn't advertised here, although it's available online. These two ladies work twelve-hour days five to six times a week, so I can understand that they don't have the time to check out foods, or to regularly participate in forums where they can pick up tips.
post #3 of 17
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True but if you dont have the time dont put it down just cause a rep didnt give you a pamphlet...
post #4 of 17
He might know of those brands based on word of mouth too. How much do you buy based on word of mouth?

Really though doesn't it make you wonder if this vet handles recommendations this way, what about your doctor? How muh does he or she really know about your Rx???
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by sharky
True but if you dont have the time dont put it down just cause a rep didnt give you a pamphlet...
True. I guess you just have to judge on a case-by-case basis. While I'll listen to vets' advice, I don't necessarily accept it as gospel truth. You know that's how I feel because of our exchanges here - raw feeding may be perfectly okay, even advisable, where you live, but is very "iffy" where I live because of BSE and avian flu. There aren't any "absolutes".
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by jcat
True. I guess you just have to judge on a case-by-case basis. While I'll listen to vets' advice, I don't necessarily accept it as gospel truth. You know that's how I feel because of our exchanges here - raw feeding may be perfectly okay, even advisable, where you live, but is very "iffy" where I live because of BSE and avian flu. There aren't any "absolutes".
A you are right... I am wonderign the raw food thing now but that si on another thread...

Truely I rarely buy on word of mouth , I take the recommedation and then research it if possible
I quiz the dr..lol.. but that is me and I also usually go to the only when needing an rx and know what the recommendation should be... but that is my gift of reading and researching way to much
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by sharky
I ran into a vet yesturday while working who thought Science diet and Royal canin were both great foods ... I asked why since in my book from my research Royal canin is light years ahead ... He said cause they do research ... He would buy a food that didnt do research that he would get at his office... I helped him and in the process found a food that is a senior but high calorie.... But come on all his" research " was reading phamplets and listening to reps and he is telling his patients this... At least most vets say this is what I sell but wither I like this food and that or I dont know.... thanks for listening to my rant ...
I'm pretty sure you already know my opinion on "Vets & commercial foods". *big grin*
I've found that very few traditional vets will research feline nutrition. They just listen to the hype from the companies that make the food.
Holistic vets will do the research and are fairly knowledgable about what is good and what is best for cats to eat.
Anyway...I can understand your frustration.
post #8 of 17
We used to carry Science Diet too, and then Eukanuba, but I've phased them out of the clinic entirely. We can't get the better foods from our distributor to sell in our office so we lose out on any profit there but I'd rather tell people what good foods to get somewhere else than sell a lower grade food.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by lunasmom
what about your doctor? How muh does he or she really know about your Rx???

That's a GOOD question!!
I know they know nothing about insurance coverage for your Rx.
Or I should say Most of them do not know.

With all the new meds available all the time, I wonder how many really do know.

Sorry, kinda off the subject.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming...............
post #10 of 17
My vet always recommends Nutro... which I did feed until PetSmart got in BlueSpa foods.... my Kanoe loves it. But when I told her I switched she said she didn't know anything about it and said she always recommended Nutro because of its quality and "dental" benefits...

I hate thinking that I know more about my vet than somethings.... its even worse to suppose I could be wrong.
post #11 of 17
"They get a commission, and normally don't have enough time to keep up on the latest foods."

I'm not sure about other places, but I know that here in Ontario that is BS.
We do not get any 'deals' or 'kickbacks' for selling pet food!!! I get that crap from people all the time, thinking we are trying to sell them oh, say, low-protein cat food for 'kickbacks', certainly not to help out their cat with kidney disease.

There's my mini-rant.
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by mellanie
"They get a commission, and normally don't have enough time to keep up on the latest foods."

I'm not sure about other places, but I know that here in Ontario that is BS.
We do not get any 'deals' or 'kickbacks' for selling pet food!!! I get that crap from people all the time, thinking we are trying to sell them oh, say, low-protein cat food for 'kickbacks', certainly not to help out their cat with kidney disease.

There's my mini-rant.
So you don't make any profit from the foods you sell in the office? I definitely understand prescriptions and how people may think you're only trying to sell them the script food to make money, but my vet carries regular Science Diet in his office, in addition to the script foods. I refuse to believe that he's not selling the regular foods to make money. Or that he DOESN'T make any money from the script foods. But of course I don't think he's selling the script foods ONLY to make a profit. They do have a use and a place, although I think they are overpriced, just like human prescriptions. You need it, so you pay the price charged for it.

Amber
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by mellanie
"They get a commission, and normally don't have enough time to keep up on the latest foods."

I'm not sure about other places, but I know that here in Ontario that is BS.
We do not get any 'deals' or 'kickbacks' for selling pet food!!! I get that crap from people all the time, thinking we are trying to sell them oh, say, low-protein cat food for 'kickbacks', certainly not to help out their cat with kidney disease.

There's my mini-rant.
Since when is a "commission" a "kickback"? I believe you are confused. A commission is the compensation an agent gets. Many vets offices sell regular cat food, not just prescription diets, especially in areas where quality food isn't available. They get compensation for acting as agents. Our local shelter does the same.
Unfortunately, many producers and distributors of high-quality food don't sell through vets or shelters, so what is sold there (again I'm talking about regular food, not prescription) is not necessarily the best food available for your cat.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by mellanie
"They get a commission, and normally don't have enough time to keep up on the latest foods."

I'm not sure about other places, but I know that here in Ontario that is BS.
We do not get any 'deals' or 'kickbacks' for selling pet food!!! I get that crap from people all the time, thinking we are trying to sell them oh, say, low-protein cat food for 'kickbacks', certainly not to help out their cat with kidney disease.

There's my mini-rant.
I have a friend who works in a vet office and she said they make some money but there is nothing extra for promoting a specific food. They sell a variety and don't push any particular one. As much as I've heard the argument stated, I have a feeling its not accurate, most relate to SD.
post #15 of 17
I agree with Mellanie. There is no financial gain beyond a standard mark-up when it comes to selling pet food. And our mark-up is not that much- 20-30%. What is a pet store mark-up? It would be silly to think that pet stores aren't making a profit on pet foods. And our clinic recieves no monetary reward for selling rx foods. At most we are offered a free bag of a new diet here and there. I also know that the pet store owner across the street was sent on a cruise by the Innova company.

Our clinic chooses foods based on what our clients need. We really don't have any bias when it comes to the different companies. If it works and the pets eat it then we will carry it. I have worked for vets in the past that refuse to keep any food in stock because they think it is not financially justified. They would only keep a few rx foods and special order everything else for individual clients.

I do believe in all of the diets that we carry. A great deal of research goes into these foods and I have actually seen my patients quality of life improve on many of them. The science in these diets is way beyond what even the human nutritionists know about how food is related to health. A great example of this is puppy food and infant formula. Remember awhile ago when eukanuba started advertising that its new puppy food had higher levels of an essential fatty acid that was supposed to make puppys smarter? Well that science started in the veterinary rx diet world. Medi-Cal was adding these fatty acids to their diets long before it hit the mainstream market. Now Health Canada has looked at the research and is requiring all infant formula companies to follow suit. Have you seen any infant formula ads lately? They are advertising the addition of these fatty acids- way after eukanuba started their ad campaign. We sell maintenance diets as a way to promote preventative health care for our patients.
post #16 of 17
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I do totally agree with the RX but if it is not an RX product dont knock it unless you have actually read beyond the "claims" ....

I know mark ups ..lol.. go to a feed store marks up pet food about 15% cause it isnt the main staple but a get people in item... then go to a big chain pet store same bag that was 15$ at the feed store is likely 19$ then go to a pet specialty that often sells pets it is likely 25$....
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by Dr. Doolittle
I agree with Mellanie. There is no financial gain beyond a standard mark-up when it comes to selling pet food. And our mark-up is not that much- 20-30%. What is a pet store mark-up? It would be silly to think that pet stores aren't making a profit on pet foods. And our clinic recieves no monetary reward for selling rx foods. At most we are offered a free bag of a new diet here and there. I also know that the pet store owner across the street was sent on a cruise by the Innova company.
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The pet stores make a huge profit on the pet foods. Sometimes in excess of $10 per bag. I just recently watched the prices on a certain brand jump up at least $3 a bag. No changes were made to the formula, and it has the same ingredients as a lot of other foods that didn't go up in price. And it caused a lot of people to switch to another food after they saw that. But a lot of people, of course, are convinced it's the best in the world and will continue paying over $40 a bag for it. Which makes up for the people who said "To heck with this!" and switched to something better that didn't cost as much.
Pet stores make a pretty decent profit on a lot of things, really. I was looking into opening a pet store at one point (can't afford to, though), and I was pretty surprised by how high the markup really is. One example is the discontinued dog crate I bought when I got my puppy. The manager told me that it retailed at $150, but since it was discontinued and the last one he had, he sold it to me for $50. And if you think for a second that he didn't make money on it, you're crazy.
Most people will pay whatever they have to so they can get the things they need. That's why pet stores manage to do well even when the economy stinks.

BUT I know that my vet charges just as much as the pet stores, if not more, for the Science Diet he stocks in his office. He doesn't sell a whole lot of it, except some people who want to feed it but can't get to a pet store often, but I know he gets a decent profit per bag. The nylon collars and leashes that he sells are pretty pricey as well.

Amber
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