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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
You know, I think that a lot of the problem here is that people don't know any better.

Something needs to be done, and its a massive education campaign.
I agree. It is certainly lack of education. I think if any of those people ever visited a shelter or two, they would rethink breeding. I'm not against all breeding, but pretty much most of it. I think there are a very select few in that catagory.

We went last winter to look at some puppies when we were looking for a dog. Ended up at a major BYB home. What was so annoying was she was trying SO hard to push a puppy on us. She didn't ask ONE single question as to what kind of house, yard, schedules we had. Didn't ask about what we knew about dogs or that breed, how many pets we've had in the past etc. Not one single question. Anytime I tried to voice my concerns, she kept saying how cute they were and how much they loved me. We left (told her we would think about it). She came running out to our car saying her boyfriend told her they could reduce the price! I was sick to my stomach.

We ended up getting a poodle from a rescue. He is the very best dog. I still feel bad for those puppies... and think about them often.
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by jeanor
We left (told her we would think about it). She came running out to our car saying her boyfriend told her they could reduce the price! I was sick to my stomach.


That is just creepy.
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by eupnea
My mom called me yesterday about a "new breed" she had just met on the street, and she thought it was adorable.
it turned out to be a Golden Doodle. (Golden retrieverxpoodle) I had to tell her that it was really just a combo of two already established breeds, and that they are still hundreds of dollars to own one! She couldn't believe it.

I know lots of people will be fooled. Its really too bad.
the PROBLEM with DESIGNER dogs IS too many people dont have the internet to check out these breeds. They are "suckered" into believeing these are REAL breeds. There is a website for a Poodle cross and these "jerks" certify them as BREEDS!

Of course my Sister who owns a lab things a labradoode or a Goldendoodle is a great dog! Too many uninformed and (yes in my siser's case) STUPID people out there! OH and dishonest breeders!
post #34 of 51
#1. we don't need any more puppies!
#2. obviously these aren't the people that should be breeding
#3. at the very least like chichismom said... call it like it is... a MUTT!
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IT goes for CATS TOO! Even PUREBRED cats that humans have "designed" to be to THEIR liking! Pushed in faces so cats have difficulty breathing and eating, and short legs and twisty legs!

We humans so all sorts of "fun" things to animals for OUR pleasure!

I DO have to say, though! I HAD 2 BYB Poodles., Both were the nicest, most well behaved trustworthy dogs (LOVED People and cats and other dogs) anyone would want. They had to have come that way as I sure did not do anything to make them so great! I just loved them!
post #35 of 51
You guys gave me some wierd nightmare last night.. In my dream I had to take a second job working 3rd shift at a pizza place. But in the basement the owner ran a mill. I can't remember what the name of the dog was. But the head down to the neck where shorthair and then behind the front legs had long hair. It was some kind of afghan hound / irish setter / golden mix or something really wierd . Anyway...it was scary. It was one of those dreams where you go around exhausted.

Its strange how you mind will play out things that happened, or things you read.
post #36 of 51
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Originally Posted by MyBabies
Of course my Sister who owns a lab things a labradoode or a Goldendoodle is a great dog! Too many uninformed and (yes in my siser's case) STUPID people out there! OH and dishonest breeders!
Labradoodles are great dogs. I have two. I hope that the `breed' is perfected to the recognised standard and that it will one day be recognised by the AKC, because it's a fantastic mix.

However. That doesn't mean that I have any time for BYBs at all. Labradoodles are different to all the other `doodle' breeds and mine are NOT F1 crosses but the genuine article, fourth generation Australian Standard Labradoodles.

All the other rubbish that the labradoodle has unfortunately sparked a wave of, however - the spoodle, groodle, roodle, etc, is just disgusting. BYBs make me so angry I could throttle every one of the them.

I sent an email to a puppy mill website I saw telling them exactly what I thought of them recently, and received no less than THREE abusive emails back - there's another thread on it here in this forum.

Disgusting people. I would love to stick one of them in a cage for their entire life and make them mate for profit. I just can't be rational about these people.
post #37 of 51
Its everywhere! My chiropractor has a cockapoo, my wedding officiant has a schnauzer/poodle whatever that is. Are previous admin had a labradoodle (didn't knwo it was a real breed??). Anyway its everywhere. People don't understand, nor do they wish to understand how these crosses are damaging to established breeds creating a mutt breed. AKC registration and ethical breeding in dogs mean so little to people.
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by SolarityBengals
Its everywhere! My chiropractor has a cockapoo, my wedding officiant has a schnauzer/poodle whatever that is. Are previous admin had a labradoodle (didn't knwo it was a real breed??). Anyway its everywhere. People don't understand, nor do they wish to understand how these crosses are damaging to established breeds creating a mutt breed. AKC registration and ethical breeding in dogs mean so little to people.

Cockapoos have been around since the early 70s, and there was a very strong effort to get them recognized.

We had one when I was a kid.
It is a great mix, but sadly it did not make the cut as there was never any conformity to size, coat type, etc and no standard could be reached.
The push (by legitimate breeders)to get it recognized was halted in the mid 80s.
post #39 of 51
[quote=KitEKats4Eva!
I would love to stick one of them in a cage for their entire life and make them mate for profit. I just can't be rational about these people.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, there are people out there who would probably do it voluntarily.
post #40 of 51
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
Sadly, there are people out there who would probably do it voluntarily.


Probably some of the very same people we're talking about in this thread... :/
post #41 of 51
I understand trying to make a new breed ... but like the cockapoo ( great mix) there arent standards set as to what it should look act and be of what size...

lady came in with a new ridgeback ( senior dog ) and she had a cockapoo ( normally small to med) ... well I asked how much the cockapoo weighed.. she said 55 lbs///
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by Arlyn
Cockapoos have been around since the early 70s, and there was a very strong effort to get them recognized.

We had one when I was a kid.
It is a great mix, but sadly it did not make the cut as there was never any conformity to size, coat type, etc and no standard could be reached.
The push (by legitimate breeders)to get it recognized was halted in the mid 80s.

Unfortunately, I think many of these people are now Labradoodle breeders.
Likely the same fate for these designer pups.
(not to mention the other doodles/poo crosses or mixes...)
These crosses seem to be the most popular and the hot thing for a decade or two and then fade after they aren't recognized as a true breed.

The biggest problem is that even the mention of something new or kitschy or popular or seen in a movie in the dog world gets reproduced and reproduced and reproduced.

I am sure there are those with the best intentions of creating a new breed but in the long run, this simply spells disaster for the many unwanted pups born to BYB'ers due to the "fad" phenomenon....
post #43 of 51
Talk about disaster... I found a site where 12 of the "breeds" are, um, these mixes.
How on earth does one manage to breed a few dozen kinds of dog? This woman was sued and cited and sued some more... And then she changed the name of the place.
post #44 of 51
I wonder about Brody and his breed. (Don't yell at me he was dropped off at our doorstep after being abandoned on Thanksgiving )

He is a Bullnese. I have done research on his breed and it was created in the 80's by someone here locally. A bullnese is a cross between a French Bulldog and a Pekinese.

Is this breed actually a "designer breed"? If not, why?

At one time I found a site where they were selling Bullnese pups for $1500! This practically confirms my suspicion what Brody came from a puppy mill.
post #45 of 51
This is a request. While I fully understand people's annoyance/outrage when they come across obvious BYB's sites, I have to ask you all to please refrain from providing direct links to such sites, in order to protect TCS from possible litigation. A general description of the sites in question should really suffice. Thanks for your comprehension.
post #46 of 51
Technically, Tanya...yes, Brody is a designer dog so to speak in that he is a cross of two different breed of dog (which the Bullnese is) and even sometimes more than those two breeds...A designer dog is essentially the "flavour of the day" to BYB'ers...But remember that even BYB'ers can be registered with the AKC so its not so much that the Bullnese isn't a recognized breed in that sense. Its moreso the danger of the nature of supply and demand and what people will pay (yes, that $1500 is about right..yikes) to unknowingly and uninformedly get that dog...(Obviously why research and knowledge is important in the dog game).

Now, Bobby Rice (the founder of the breed in 1989) may have a good heart, he may love dogs, and he may be good to his own but the problem is that these new breeds are excellent targets for the unscrupulous and the stupid of the world..

(Though in your case, its entirely different as Brody found YOU and that's what was best for both of you!!!)

Here's a good article on BYB's/Designer Mutts/AKC....

http://www.netpets.com/dogs/newsroom/crossbreeds1.html
post #47 of 51
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva!
Labradoodles are great dogs. I have two. I hope that the `breed' is perfected to the recognised standard and that it will one day be recognised by the AKC, because it's a fantastic mix............................................
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They are STILL MUTTS - MONGRALS! They are NOT now and never will be PURE BRED. If you want a determined dog with Curls - get a curley coated retreiver!

Poodles are Poodles and NO CROSS with them will EVER improve on them. There is a person I have been in contact with selling yorkiePoos. She sells them as purebreds for a LOT Of money. THIS helps her ot pay her show handlers fee!

There is NO difference between labradoodles, goldendoodles, yorkiepoos, cockapoos, pugpoodles or any ohter CROSS! They are MUTTS!
post #48 of 51
You want a Standard Poodle? HERE is one, and HE was not even good enough to be registered! WHY - because he had white on him and was consdered TOO BIG!

Today's standards have a muzzle like a dachsaund - p ointy and no chin but the old time breeders like them! They also have a tendency to bloat as they have deep chests and the rest of them are built like greyhounds.

Schatzi WAS the original type Poodle - his ONLY health problems were his ears. Here he is:

post #49 of 51
As long as there are people, with more dollars than sense, using dogs as status symbols and/or fashion accessories, this practice is going to continue. What is going to happen to these dogs, when this particular fashion trend ends?

My Pearlie is 100% mutt: pit bull/German shepherd/God-only-knows. She is not a fashion accessory OR a status symbol - she is a pet, companion and watchdog. My purebred Dalmatian has the same status, in my household.
post #50 of 51
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I found another listing today.

Basically he has an unregistered Great Dane that he would like to stud out at no cost in order to calm down his dog. He also states that he doesn't even care what breed the female is.

post #51 of 51
Perhaps he should neuter it.
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