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Vengence or Justice?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Which do you believe in. Do different crimes deserve vengence while others deserve justice. Are vigilants heroes?


I keep thinking that I am a firm believer in justice, but their are times when the justice system fails so horribly. Now as a mother, if some one hurts my child, would I want to wait for justice, or would I seek vengence. I don't know what would come out of me if anything happened to someone I love. Being a mother puts a whole new perspective on vengence.
post #2 of 19
I wouldn't exactly say I chose the correct answer for me.
I am a firm believer in an Eye for an Eye, which I suppose comes far closer to vengence than justice, thus the choice I picked.
post #3 of 19
I don't think that the justice system actually provides Justice..It seems to be a lot more true to say that the justice system offers a slap on the wrist for severe or socially unexceptable crimes. because of our lax judicial system , people who are just absolute monsters can walk the streets without concern - meanwhile, the law abiding ciizes are made to be afraid that their neighbor could be a criminal. I find it at least a little disconcerting that the punishment for child pornography/ molestation is chemical castration and 15 years jail time, after which they are allowed to move anywhere they like as long as they "register" themselves as a child sex offender. And even then, most states don't even require that. If I were a mother and my child were hurt or molested, you'd better beleive I'd be out for blood. I don't think the powers that be up in heaven would respect my life if I didn't defend myself or my family in any way that I knew how.
post #4 of 19
Justice. Giving a person what they truly deserve, as Plato defined it.

My best definition of vengence would be giving a person what we think they deserve, regardless of whether or not it is what they truly deserve.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by semiferal
Justice. Giving a person what they truly deserve, as Plato defined it.

My best definition of vengence would be giving a person what we think they deserve, regardless of whether or not it is what they truly deserve.
I forgot that one ... thanks for bringing it up
post #6 of 19
I almost voted vengence, then had a twinge of guilt. While I'm not highly religious, I do feel two wrongs don't make a right. It just makes you wrong too. BUT, to be fair, I can't say what I'd do if I were put in such a situation and rage or sorrow took over my emotions....
post #7 of 19
I think that it takes a bigger person to turn the other cheek and wait for fair and humane justice. I don't have any bloodlust and I agree with Shannon that two wrongs don't make a right.

It's big reason that I can't support capital punishment. How does killing a killer make us any better than the criminal? Government sanctioned crime is still crime and this is a huge reason I'm furious with the current administration.
post #8 of 19
Two great men (OK, so it was Toby Keith and Willie Nelson) once said, "Justice is the one thing you should always find."
That saying guides my life. I am an advocate for justice, as slow as its weels may sometime spin.
post #9 of 19
Although i voted vengence i'm for both really, but if anyone harmed my girls or my home and i had the chance to find out who they were then i'd take matters into my own hands, with a little help of course.
post #10 of 19
I chose justice but it depends on the circumstances. I heard one story about a man that came home to find a guy in the act of raping his wife. After beating the crap out of the guy, he chained one arm to a post in his garage and chained the other arm to the towbar of his truck. He then got in the truck and floored it, basically ripping the guy in two.

That is extreme to the max, but I heard he was acquitted by reason of temporary insanity. This may be an urban legend tho
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Catkiki
I chose justice but it depends on the circumstances. I heard one story about a man that came home to find a guy in the act of raping his wife. After beating the crap out of the guy, he chained one arm to a post in his garage and chained the other arm to the towbar of his truck. He then got in the truck and floored it, basically ripping the guy in two.

That is extreme to the max, but I heard he was acquitted by reason of temporary insanity. This may be an urban legend tho
IMO, in this case, both men are monsters. Violence shouldn't be excused, but I really don't understand why people think that violence can be stopped with more violence.
post #12 of 19
I voted other,

I am a firm believer in justice,even though i know too well how slow those wheels turn.
I also believe in vengeance too,if that law fails.


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Originally Posted by rosiemac
Although i voted vengence i'm for both really, but if anyone harmed my girls or my home and i had the chance to find out who they were then i'd take matters into my own hands, with a little help of course.
So I agree with you Susan,I would avenge a crime myself.(with a little help of course)
post #13 of 19
If anyone is interested, there is a fantastic book AND movie (my favorite) about this very topic. It's called "A Time To Kill" and is definitely worth the read/watch.
post #14 of 19
That's Grisham, isn't it, Amy? I wasn't aware it had been made into a movie. A while since I read the book, but I remember liking it.
post #15 of 19
Yup, John Grisham at his best. The movie has Samuel L. Jackson, Sandra Bullock, Matthew McConaughey ( ), Keiffer Sutherland ( even though he plays a KKK member in it), Ashley Judd, Donald Sutherland, and Oliver Platt. It's fantastic!
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
I think that it takes a bigger person to turn the other cheek and wait for fair and humane justice. I don't have any bloodlust and I agree with Shannon that two wrongs don't make a right.

It's big reason that I can't support capital punishment. How does killing a killer make us any better than the criminal? Government sanctioned crime is still crime and this is a huge reason I'm furious with the current administration.
That is exactly what I think
post #17 of 19
I'm not sure how much justice gets done in our current society at all, but I'm not sure I'm all for vengeance either. I know it works out okay sometimes, but it seems like poor people get screwed and rich people get off.
For instance, you can do more time for selling pot than for rape. That is ridiculous. And people convicted of torturing prisoners (ahem, international war crimes, wonder why we didn't want to be members) get, what, a slap on the wrist? And the first lady killed her high school boyfriend with a car.

It may be uncharacteristically old-fashioned of me, but if my husband walked in on someone raping me I would want him to react like that. Not necessarily kill him with a truck, but. There was a mother around here who caught someone watching her six-year-old daughter in the shower, went upstairs and grabbed some burly friends, went out and beat him to death with a pipe. Nobody even wanted to arrest her.

So, I guess ideologically Justice, but in reality I don't know.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
Violence shouldn't be excused, but I really don't understand why people think that violence can be stopped with more violence.
Violent punishments only breed more brutal crimes.
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ryn
Violent punishments only breed more brutal crimes.
Knowing that and following that can be 2 different things when it is someone you love being the victim. I would like to think I would let justice try and work, but I honestly don't know how I would react. I know exactly how my hubby would react, but not myself.
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