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Catholic Adoptions Halted in Boston

post #1 of 13
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060310/...s/gay_adoption
Thoughts?

I'll need to calm down before saying more, but to say that this enrages me is an understatement!
post #2 of 13
You can't really make a private charity do something it finds immoral- since it's private. My understanding is that the contract with the state provides funding for Catholic Charities? If the state provides funding it has the right to expect those who receive those funds to cooperate with the law, but if they aren't receiving state funding I don't see how the state could force them to comply. I remember my social work department severing ties with the Salvation Army (meaning no social work students could do a practicum with the agency) because of their discrimination against GLBT persons. Private companies should have the right to act as they see fit, unless of course they get public funding. The whole situation just seems really sad.
post #3 of 13
What really bothers me is that that announcement coincides with stories such as this one: http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/eu....ap/index.html
Wasn't Boston one of the dioceses where so many pedophiles were finally exposed? It should worry more about its own employees' sexual orientation, and less about other people's.
post #4 of 13
And of course, the issue here isn't whether or not they should be forced to provide adoption services to GBLT people, because we all know that as a private organization they have the right to discriminate. The issue is whether or not we think their stance is "right". Who cares if it's legal, I think it's awful. Consider all of the innocent children who will suffer because of their stance. I also have to wonder, why do this just because of GBLT people? I assume that there were also policies prohibiting discrimination based on religion, ethnicity, etc. So, I consider the following.

Did they adopt out children to, say, a Jewish couple? Did it not cause them severe ethical dilemnas given that according to the Catholic church the couple is destined for hell due to lack of belief in Christ, and they would most likely pass their "wrong" religion on to the child? It seems to me that, doctrinally, this is no different than adopting out a child to a couple who are gay, and will teach their child that the sin is acceptable. So why is the "gay adoption" issue what is driving this decision? Why not all the other circumstances which would seem to generate similar ethical dilemnas, given their doctrines?
post #5 of 13
I disagree 100% with any policy (private or not) that would discriminate against gay couples in cases of adoption. Being gay or not has nothing to do with one's ability to be a good parent.

I also don't think this kind of services should be in the hands of the church at all. I know that Christian charity inspires a lot of people to help people in need and that's great, but the decisions about who is a suitable adoptive parent should not be made by a church organization. It leaves too much room for discrimination on the basis of religious background or other factors like sexual orientation.
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by Obi
Did they adopt out children to, say, a Jewish couple? Did it not cause them severe ethical dilemmas given that according to the Catholic church the couple is destined for hell due to lack of belief in Christ, and they would most likely pass their "wrong" religion on to the child? It seems to me that, doctrinally, this is no different than adopting out a child to a couple who are gay, and will teach their child that the sin is acceptable. So why is the "gay adoption" issue what is driving this decision? Why not all the other circumstances which would seem to generate similar ethical dilemmas, given their doctrines?
I don't know what the current policies are, but when my cousin (Catholic) and his wife (Muslim) adopted their daughter 30 years ago, they had to sign a contract obligating them to raise her as a Roman Catholic. I remember there was some discussion at the time about the Catholic Charities' willingness to allow a "mixed-confession" couple to adopt from the agency.
post #7 of 13
What bothers me as much about this than anything is the fact that the local board had previously voted unanimously (42-0) to allow gay couples to continue (they've previously adopted to gay couples 13 times), but the higher ups with no local ties would rather shut the whole thing down than continue to help children.
post #8 of 13
Call me naive but if you are seriously into helping the children who cares who raises tham as long as they take care of them love them and guide them... I think that a religious organization that discriminates is well not following the teachings they supposedly are preaching to others..
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by sharky
I think that a religious organization that discriminates is well not following the teachings they supposedly are preaching to others..
Thanks Sharky! Hence the reason why I left the Catholic Church. There was too much contradiction for me. Please believe that I mean no offense to those that are catholic (despite what I just typed). If the church would bring themselves up to date then perhaps we wouldn't have a this type of issue. Growing up Catholic you are taught above all to love others. The part the leave out is in tiny little letters (Oh and by the way you can't love Gays, Lesbians, BiSexuals or Transvestites, or people of any other religion such as Baptists and Jews or you will rot in H-E-double hockey sticks)).

Please believe though, this could've just been MY church when I was growing up. I don't mean to turn this into a "catholics are horrible" thread.

IMO, it should be whether or not the parent(s) are fit to be good parent(s). There are too many children out there that NEED homes and to say because someone is GBLT they can't be a good parent is a joke.
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by Obi
And of course, the issue here isn't whether or not they should be forced to provide adoption services to GBLT people, because we all know that as a private organization they have the right to discriminate. The issue is whether or not we think their stance is "right". Who cares if it's legal, I think it's awful. Consider all of the innocent children who will suffer because of their stance. I also have to wonder, why do this just because of GBLT people? I assume that there were also policies prohibiting discrimination based on religion, ethnicity, etc. So, I consider the following.

Did they adopt out children to, say, a Jewish couple? Did it not cause them severe ethical dilemnas given that according to the Catholic church the couple is destined for hell due to lack of belief in Christ, and they would most likely pass their "wrong" religion on to the child? It seems to me that, doctrinally, this is no different than adopting out a child to a couple who are gay, and will teach their child that the sin is acceptable. So why is the "gay adoption" issue what is driving this decision? Why not all the other circumstances which would seem to generate similar ethical dilemnas, given their doctrines?
Good poont. I wonder if anyone has brought it up to them...?
It seems to me that sometimes religion gives people an excuse to focus on something they personally are afraid of, while they ignore everything else that their religion teaches, such as tolerance and love for all people.
post #11 of 13
I personally support the rights of parents to adopt regardless of sexual orientation, but I also support the right of a private organization to make a decision based on pretty much whatever criteria they desire.

What annoys me, though, is that not allowing gay couples to adopt misses the big picture. Sure, I can accept that all things being equal, a child is better off with a mother and a father than with two mothers and two fathers. But all things are pretty much never equal. It's not a decision between "perfect" and "imperfect". It's a decision between a child growing up in a loving, stable family and growing up without a family at all. This seems like a pretty easy call to me.

Sure, having two dads technically deprives a kid of having a mom. But a million times better to be deprived of a mom than deprived of a family altogether! It just seems so simple to me.

IIRC, there is a large adoption agency based in the South that will only adopt to Protestant couples. I don't agree with this, of course, but I also support their right to do as they see fit.
post #12 of 13
I agree 1000% with your post, Semiferal. Too bad some people aren't able to recognize a "loving, stable family", if the parents are any combination other than one male and one female.
post #13 of 13
I also totally agree with Semiferal.
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