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post #1 of 17
1/29/06 at 9:51pm
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Recently, Karla, a film "based" on the murders of 3 teenagers committed by Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka, was released recently to dismal reviews, and completely rejected by critics as a valid piece of art. I haven't seen the film, but I would have to agree with the critics -- I'm sure they've seen enough for the rest of us film buffs.

I am sickened and disgusted with people creating films based on atrocities committed by psychopathic individuals for the sake of "art". I find that the film industry drive to exploit sexual crimes committed against children (which happens in Karla) is a dispicable act -- one that those young girls' families have to live with for the rest of their lives.

If filmmakers want to create a film based on horrific serial killers, why don't they focus on the worst Canadian serial killer of all time, Robert Pickton, who killed dozens of prostitutes in greater Vancouver? Well, who wants to hear the story of a bunch of faceless, nameless prostitutes when you can create such sensationalism with detailing sexual slayings of young schoolgirls. I'm sick of this exploitation of children that is so prevalent in Western culture.

As for pig farmer Pickton, who buried the bodily remains of these 2 dozen plus women in different locations on his property, he is pleading NOT GUILTY for his crimes! He is in court tomorrow and his trial will be beginning soon. Soon? With our legal system it could me months or even years.

In Homolka's case, who was recorded on videotape torturing the young schoolgirls, she received a plea bargain in exchange for testimony against Bernardo. After a short stint in prison, she is now out on the streets as a FREE woman, and is allowed to live a full life that she does NOT deserve. She was just as willing a participant in the rapes and killings of those poor girls, but she got off by playing the "victim" of her abusive husband.

Canada's legal system sucks.
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post #2 of 17
1/29/06 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by vespacat
Recently, Karla, a film "based" on the murders of 3 teenagers committed by Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka, was released recently to dismal reviews, and completely rejected by critics as a valid piece of art. I haven't seen the film, but I would have to agree with the critics -- I'm sure they've seen enough for the rest of us film buffs.

I am sickened and disgusted with people creating films based on atrocities committed by psychopathic individuals for the sake of "art". I find that the film industry drive to exploit sexual crimes committed against children (which happens in Karla) is a dispicable act -- one that those young girls' families have to live with for the rest of their lives.

If filmmakers want to create a film based on horrific serial killers, why don't they focus on the worst Canadian serial killer of all time, Robert Pickton, who killed dozens of prostitutes in greater Vancouver? Well, who wants to hear the story of a bunch of faceless, nameless prostitutes when you can create such sensationalism with detailing sexual slayings of young schoolgirls. I'm sick of this exploitation of children that is so prevalent in Western culture.

As for pig farmer Pickton, who buried the bodily remains of these 2 dozen plus women in different locations on his property, he is pleading NOT GUILTY for his crimes! He is in court tomorrow and his trial will be beginning soon. Soon? With our legal system it could me months or even years.

In Homolka's case, who was recorded on videotape torturing the young schoolgirls, she received a plea bargain in exchange for testimony against Bernardo. After a short stint in prison, she is now out on the streets as a FREE woman, and is allowed to live a full life that she does NOT deserve. She was just as willing a participant in the rapes and killings of those poor girls, but she got off by playing the "victim" of her abusive husband.

Canada's legal system sucks.
Serial killers are kind of my `hobby' - and no I'm not one myself...lol.

I read all about the Homolka killings and she was definitely a VERY willing participant. They got off on it, torturing and killing together. Disgusting and sick - they BOTH are - not just him. She should be in prison for the rest of her sick life, IMO.

And I couldn't agree with you more about the exploitation and abuse of the young, children especially. These murders do seem more `sensational' but I still think the Pickton murders would make a better story and be more informative to the public, too.

Perhaps becuase his trial is imminent a film could not be made just yet? I have no doubt there will be, though....it's a pretty popular genre.
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post #3 of 17
1/29/06 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva!
These murders do seem more `sensational' but I still think the Pickton murders would make a better story and be more informative to the public, too.

Perhaps becuase his trial is imminent a film could not be made just yet? I have no doubt there will be, though....it's a pretty popular genre.
Yes, there is a current publication ban on the Pickton case. And he hasn't received his just punishment yet. However, there is enough information to easily convict him. I've been following the case for years. Yes, YEARS and the police are still conducting investigations. I'm absolutely astonished that he is pleading not guilty!
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post #4 of 17
1/29/06 at 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by vespacat
Yes, there is a current publication ban on the Pickton case. And he hasn't received his just punishment yet. However, there is enough information to easily convict him. I've been following the case for years. Yes, YEARS and the police are still conducting investigations. I'm absolutely astonished that he is pleading not guilty!
There has been a serial killer on the loose in Perth for about ten years now. Three girls (that have been connected to him for sure) were murdered, and they have never found the body of the first girl. He is known as the `Claremont Serial Killer' and ever since the police started targeting and following a suspect a few years ago, the killings have stopped, although the man loudly protests and proclaims his innocence.

My brother is a crown prosecutor for the WA Director of Public Prosecutions, and knows the ins and outs of the case pretty well. Many of the details have not been released here because the killer remains at large. But he tells me (without telling me anything confidential) that these murders were brutal, vicious, sexual in nature and utterly horrifying. They cannot arrest the suspect because of a lack of solid evidence, and so he (if it is him) remains unpunished. It is very sad, particularly for the family of the first victim as they cannot lay their memory to rest without her body. It's such a shame there is no solid evidence against this freak, because this city would dearly love to see somebody punished for these crimes.
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post #5 of 17
1/29/06 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva!
There has been a serial killer on the loose in Perth for about ten years now. Three girls (that have been connected to him for sure) were murdered, and they have never found the body of the first girl. He is known as the `Claremont Serial Killer' and ever since the police started targeting and following a suspect a few years ago, the killings have stopped, although the man loudly protests and proclaims his innocence.

My brother is a crown prosecutor for the WA Director of Public Prosecutions, and knows the ins and outs of the case pretty well. Many of the details have not been released here because the killer remains at large. But he tells me (without telling me anything confidential) that these murders were brutal, vicious, sexual in nature and utterly horrifying. They cannot arrest the suspect because of a lack of solid evidence, and so he (if it is him) remains unpunished. It is very sad, particularly for the family of the first victim as they cannot lay their memory to rest without her body. It's such a shame there is no solid evidence against this freak, because this city would dearly love to see somebody punished for these crimes.
I can't imagine how difficult it would be for the families of those girls, and in the final moments of the victims lives. Perhaps the next victim of this predator will be able to fight him off, and consequentially will provide enough evidence to convict the sick ******* and hopefully put him behind bars for life.

That's another issue I have. The law can jail someone for fraudulent activity, but only give a slap on the wrist to a child molester! What's more important in this world -- insider trading exposes or children being victimized and damaged for life? What equates with a stronger future in which we will live? I believe the more we crack down on predatory offendors, the better chance we have of this generation of children becoming productive and resilient adults in the future. After all, they are going to be running this world someday.
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post #6 of 17
1/30/06 at 5:31am
It will be just a matter of time before Karla Homolka hooks up with another sick SOB and goes back to her sadistic homicidal ways. If she does, there will not be another plea bargain. You can bet that she is being watched.

If the videotapes had been discovered earlier, there would have been no bargain, in this case.

As for the Pickton case, I am sure that prosecutors have learned from the Bernardo/Homolka case and were much more careful. with their investigation of this one.
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post #7 of 17
1/30/06 at 7:16am
There is an American counterpart to the Bernardo/Homolka case. Gerald and Charlene Gallego, a married couple, murdered a number of women in the late 70s/early 80s before being captured and imprisoned. Gerald Gallego died on death row in 2002. Charlene was released in 1997.
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post #8 of 17
1/30/06 at 8:21am
One of my pet peeves is that our police do the hard work, go out and arrest these losers and the judges let them off with a slap on the wrist. It frustrates the police officers. I'm sure they must wonder why they bother sometimes. Somebody needs to shake up the judges a bit.
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post #9 of 17
1/30/06 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by katl8e
It will be just a matter of time before Karla Homolka hooks up with another sick SOB and goes back to her sadistic homicidal ways. If she does, there will not be another plea bargain. You can bet that she is being watched
Last I heard, she had already hooked up with a Lifer in a Quebec prison for murdering his girlfriend. Homolka is either one of the few women that suffers from antisocial personality disorder or is a tragically, weak woman with serious insecurity issues. Either way, she is in need of some drastic mental health interventions.

As for the sensationalism of her crimes, there have always been movies that fulfill the voyeuristic tendencies of the general public...Ie, Bundy, Jack the Ripper, etc, etc...These movies are made for the same reason that serial killer trading cards are a new hit...the public asks for them.
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post #10 of 17
1/31/06 at 1:45am
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
Last I heard, she had already hooked up with a Lifer in a Quebec prison for murdering his girlfriend. Homolka is either one of the few women that suffers from antisocial personality disorder or is a tragically, weak woman with serious insecurity issues. Either way, she is in need of some drastic mental health interventions.

As for the sensationalism of her crimes, there have always been movies that fulfill the voyeuristic tendencies of the general public...Ie, Bundy, Jack the Ripper, etc, etc...These movies are made for the same reason that serial killer trading cards are a new hit...the public asks for them.
Serial killer trading cards???
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post #11 of 17
1/31/06 at 4:49am
The sad thing (or, one of the most pathetic things in a series of sad things) about Karla Homolka is that her restrictions after her release included a ban on association with any other convicted criminals. Her lawyer was successful in having those restrictions removed.

I saw a news story on this movie. They showed a clip of it, with the character Karla being all hysterical and saying something like "If I do this, will you love me?", or some such bs. I think that the whole tone of the movie was that she was emotionally abused, that's why she went along with it. Utter bs, as far as any of the evidence shows.

The movie should never have been made. Obviously the film maker had no clue about what happened.
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post #12 of 17
1/31/06 at 5:22am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva!
Serial killer trading cards???
These have been popular, for some years. Each card features a photo of the killer and a brief synopsis of his/her crimes.
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post #13 of 17
1/31/06 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
One of my pet peeves is that our police do the hard work, go out and arrest these losers and the judges let them off with a slap on the wrist. It frustrates the police officers. I'm sure they must wonder why they bother sometimes. Somebody needs to shake up the judges a bit.
I totally agree with this. It fustrates me endlessly, as an ordinary citizen, how judges time and time again come out with ridiculously lenient sentences for these criminals. It must be beyond fustrating for the police who work hard to get the criminals in the first place.
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post #14 of 17
1/31/06 at 6:03am
Im not sure what is going on with the state of what is called films and art.
Wasnt there "how to skin a cat" at the tornonto CAN last year?
2 teens skinning a stray alive on film?
sorry off topic i know. but i breifly heard about it on the station in Hamilton and then it disappeared. I had hoped if there was truth to it, that there would have been arrests on the film makers, promoters etc.
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post #15 of 17
1/31/06 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Middletown
Im not sure what is going on with the state of what is called films and art.
Wasnt there "how to skin a cat" at the tornonto CAN last year?
2 teens skinning a stray alive on film?
sorry off topic i know. but i breifly heard about it on the station in Hamilton and then it disappeared. I had hoped if there was truth to it, that there would have been arrests on the film makers, promoters etc.
I believe the film you're refering to was made by art students to protest animal cruelty. Seriously. Fortunately in this case, the judge was NOT sympatheitc. I don't remember all the details, but whatever sentence they got could never be enough to pay for that horrific crime.
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post #16 of 17
1/31/06 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by Middletown
Im not sure what is going on with the state of what is called films and art.
Wasnt there "how to skin a cat" at the tornonto CAN last year?
2 teens skinning a stray alive on film?
sorry off topic i know. but i breifly heard about it on the station in Hamilton and then it disappeared. I had hoped if there was truth to it, that there would have been arrests on the film makers, promoters etc.
Yes, that film was called Casuistry: The Art of Killing a Cat. Myself and a number of other animal rights advocates protested against that film which was screened at the TIFF in 2004. The killer himself showed up to taunt protesters, but was quickly arrested by the police. At the first showing, there were well over 100 animal rights activists present. It made the news here in Toronto.

Some people viewed us as "radicals", but we were simply standing up for those without a voice, namely this cat who was tortured and killed at the hands of 3 young OCAD students, who filmed the whole thing while high and apparently in the name of "art". What a load of ****. I was originally planning on attending art school (couldn't after dad died and had nowhere to live), and I would never have deemed that art. It is not what I learned to call art and I believe there are limits on what is defined as art.

I know the woman who put on the demonstration and have visited her home, which she shares with many cats that she takes care of and tries to adopt out. She is a real angel. Just a genuinely kind woman. She could really use support of any kind and you're welcome to view her organization's website at: http://freeanimals.org/
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post #17 of 17
1/31/06 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by pushylady
I believe the film you're refering to was made by art students to protest animal cruelty. Seriously. Fortunately in this case, the judge was NOT sympatheitc. I don't remember all the details, but whatever sentence they got could never be enough to pay for that horrific crime.
No, that is not correct. The film WAS made by art students, but it was not to protest animal cruelty. They dissected this cat ALIVE with crude dental instruments. Please check out Google for more information on the case. Conducting a bit of research will find you plenty of information.

As an aside, not only are our laws concerning crimes against humanity inadequate, punishment for crimes against animals and our animal rights laws are even more primitive. There's been a push by animal rights advocates for years on a bill which has yet to reach royal assent.
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