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Registering Pure Bred

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Having trouble getting my cat's papers from the breeder so I can register her. Any suggestions on how I should persue this? I've emailed and talked to her several times. They're always "on their way".

Beth
(Tia's Mom)
post #2 of 24
Did you buy your cat as a show cat or a pet cat? If bought as a pet, then the breeder usually holds all registration papers until the owner provides proof of neutering/spaying.

If its a show cat, I'd contact the association and see if they can help you with the registration papers.

In my contract I had that papers would be held until neutering/spaying whether you bought the cat as a show cat (to show as an alter) or as a pet. The only time you got papers is when you bought the rights for breeding.
post #3 of 24
Either that or maybe the breeder is like me and keeps forgetting to send in the papers to get the blue slips. I still haven't sent in the paperwork to register my last litter. I have too much going on here...sigh...
Of course i'd tell people that though if they were wondering where the blue slip is. Also, I only send the blue slip after they send proof of spay/neuter.
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
I bought her as a pet and did need to provide proof Tia was spayed before she sent the papers. Tia was spayed in May 2005. Seems like an awlful long time to still be expecting paperwork from her. Does it take that long?

Beth
(Tia's Mom)
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by bmmac
I bought her as a pet and did need to provide proof Tia was spayed before she sent the papers. Tia was spayed in May 2005. Seems like an awlful long time to still be expecting paperwork from her. Does it take that long?

Beth
(Tia's Mom)
No it shouldn't take that long, how long ago did you ask the first time for the papers?
Also, when did you send proof of spaying?
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
I sent the copy of her spay papers in the mail the day after I received them and have been asking her ever since. I've lost track of how many times I talked to her or emailed her. I get a different excuse everytime.

Beth
post #7 of 24
hmmm...im not sure what to say-other then maybe you can just ask her to be honest with your about what's going on. Maybe tell her that you won't be mad if she just tells you what the deal is. She probably just kept forgetting to send in the paperwork. Is she a reputable breeder? Does she have refrences that you can talk to?
post #8 of 24
Is there any reason (since she's a pet and you're not showing her) that you need to have the papers. Perhaps she's moved? I'd contact the association in which she was "registered" and see if they can help you out.
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45
Is there any reason (since she's a pet and you're not showing her) that you need to have the papers. Perhaps she's moved? I'd contact the association in which she was "registered" and see if they can help you out.
I'd say since she paid for them she is entitled to them regardless. I'd want papers on my pet even if it was just a pet.
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
I don't plan to show her so I know it's not a big deal to register her, but I think I deserve to have the papers.

It's not that I haven't had contact with the breeder, she just never follows through. If the papers aren't on there way to me, don't say they are.

I'll keep trying.

Beth
(Tia's Mom)
post #11 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmmac
I don't plan to show her so I know it's not a big deal to register her, but I think I deserve to have the papers.

It's not that I haven't had contact with the breeder, she just never follows through. If the papers aren't on there way to me, don't say they are.

I'll keep trying.

Beth
(Tia's Mom)
Absolutely you deserve to have the reg. papers. You followed through with your end of the agreement, your breeder should do the same.

I hope you get them soon.
post #12 of 24
The registration documents are rightfully yours. You paid for them as a part of the money you gave as the purchase price of your kitten. From what I am reading (and I have lost my $300 prescription glasses AGAIN!!!) it appears that it has now been about a year since you diligently sent the breeder certification of the spay/neuter procedure and she should hold up her end of the Agreement.

I think there is a valauble organizational lesson in this for us all - I know I tend to procrastinate so I am making the choice right now to be much more organized with this sort of thing. If we all strive to set and then meet or exceed a higher standard, maybe we won't get so much flack from the anti-breeder community.
post #13 of 24
I am going to get my little blue papers as we speak, because if I remember correctly those papers do say on them if the breeder wishes the cat to be spay/nuetered.

The reason I still have my blue papers on my abyssinians is because I choose not to show them so I have not registered them as of yet..

On the bottom right side of the blue paper work is the part the breeder fills in..

If I pay a breeder 600 dollars for a kitten they need to be prompt with the papers! I understand the issues of people trying to breed the cats when they are not supposed to, my abby breeder had her kitty's spay/neutered before she released them to new homes....

I have a friend who is still trying to get papers on her abby cat who was 3 and long since spay by breeder, when she paid for her... The breeder never sent her the papers.. That is not good...

Kim
post #14 of 24
I have no problems giving papers to pet owners after neuter and spay. But the reason I mentioned if he "had" to have them is that only 50% of my pet owners ever wanted the papers after neutering. I had them and offered them but they said it was not necessary.

Sure you're entitled to them and you should get them if you've asked. That breeder is at fault. I'm guessing she doesn't have the blue slips anymore and doesn't feel like having the association reissue them (again her fault).

So can the association help him out? If not, I'd say let it go at this point, but make others aware of the breeder's practices!
post #15 of 24
I guess I am just funny about registering the kittens ... I think it should be done whether showing or not. As a breed preservationist, I spent a lot of time and money researching and back-tracing my bloodlines. If people had just come up off the $8 to $10 dollars to register the kittens, I wouldn't have hit so many brickwalls when it came to a branch of the pedigree ending - it would have been on the documentation that the cat was not for breeding and the search would have ended right then with no further expense. I feel strongly about registering the kittens simply so that when people like me (who want to research the lines) come along in the future, they will know where a line ends without question.
post #16 of 24
I know in Georgia its a law to have your Bengal cat registered and have papers for your cat. They just legalized bengals here and thats one of the stipulations u have to go through and also im gonna have to get my bengal microchipped plus neutured(gonna do all these anyway), buts its the LAW here with this kind of cat

Good luck with getting your papers!
post #17 of 24
Is the breeder in your state? If you have a contract stating that you are supposed to get the papers once the proof of spay/neuter is shown then you can go to small claims court to enforce it. If you decide on that be sure to take the contract and the proof of spay/neuter with you to court.
post #18 of 24
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I guess I am just funny about registering the kittens ... I think it should be done whether showing or not. As a breed preservationist, I spent a lot of time and money researching and back-tracing my bloodlines. If people had just come up off the $8 to $10 dollars to register the kittens, I wouldn't have hit so many brickwalls when it came to a branch of the pedigree ending - it would have been on the documentation that the cat was not for breeding and the search would have ended right then with no further expense. I feel strongly about registering the kittens simply so that when people like me (who want to research the lines) come along in the future, they will know where a line ends without question.
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Thats a good point. I never thought of that. I just assumed she knew that they were neutered since she had it done before we purchased them. I found both of there registrations since this topic started and they are all filled out.. They just need a stamp and a check on each of them. I will send them in... How does that effect the pedigree when she knows its the end of my cats line?? I will email her and ask her if it affects her pedigrees, and out of respect for her ,and her line of abbys I will register both my cats...
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
The breeder lives fairly close to me. I'm going to check out the TICA website and see where I can go with them and continue to contact the breeder. I do have a contract with her to receive the papers to register Tia once I provided proof she was spayed. I'll let you know what happens.

Beth
(Tia's Mom)
post #20 of 24
I would tell her (since she lives closely) that you are willing to file a claim in small claims court. Normally, and I've seen quite a few examples of this, if a breeder refuses to pony up the registration (and you have it in writing that it is part of the total cost), than most judges will treat is as though you bought a stray for $50, and returns the rest of the adoption costs to you. You've waited more than a reasonable amount of time, and at this point, I would say she's a scammer and either doesn't have papers or isn't going to send them to you. It's not your problem if she can't remember to send you the papers, you have kept up your end of the contract.

Quite frankly, if you have paid for registration in TICA (which is outlined in your contract), and she will not deliver, than she is a fraudulent seller, period - excuses are not acceptable. You have no way to prove that you bought a purebred anything without papers, making the "item" that you bought falsely advertised/sold. Obviously, you wouldn't have paid as much as you did for an unregistered cat, so I would take the matter as far as it has to go.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by Mihoshi
I would tell her (since she lives closely) that you are willing to file a claim in small claims court. Normally, and I've seen quite a few examples of this, if a breeder refuses to pony up the registration (and you have it in writing that it is part of the total cost), than most judges will treat is as though you bought a stray for $50, and returns the rest of the adoption costs to you. You've waited more than a reasonable amount of time, and at this point, I would say she's a scammer and either doesn't have papers or isn't going to send them to you. It's not your problem if she can't remember to send you the papers, you have kept up your end of the contract.

Quite frankly, if you have paid for registration in TICA (which is outlined in your contract), and she will not deliver, than she is a fraudulent seller, period - excuses are not acceptable. You have no way to prove that you bought a purebred anything without papers, making the "item" that you bought falsely advertised/sold. Obviously, you wouldn't have paid as much as you did for an unregistered cat, so I would take the matter as far as it has to go.
I agree. Small claims court is a simple and inexpensive process too. Most of the time you can file right over the internet.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by bengalbabe
I agree. Small claims court is a simple and inexpensive process too. Most of the time you can file right over the internet.
I'm glad to know this. One of my coworkers breeds and she thinks that contracts are pointless as there really is no way to enforce them (in the reverse situation).
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by SolarityBengals
I'm glad to know this. One of my coworkers breeds and she thinks that contracts are pointless as there really is no way to enforce them (in the reverse situation).
The problem is that the state will not enforce the descision of the court. You have to find a way to collect. Sometimes that means hiring the sherriff to go to the residence and repo or whatever.
But just the thought of going to court might scare her into cooperation.
post #24 of 24
The #1 problem breeders have with their contracts is repossesion. Small claims court cannot force anyone to give back items (unless the people holding the items agree to do so in court of their own free will). You have to go through the states supreme court to claim back property if the people who have the items don't want to give them back - now that can be costly.

To the same effect, small claims can't make a person alter their cat, but they could penalize them for it (if it's outlined in the countract). But the problem here is very simple, a registered cat was bought but, ultimately, not delivered. In most states, it only costs $20 to file a claim, and you can hand deliver or mail the forms to the defendant. Depending on your state, you may also get your filing fee back if you win - but it's wise to add the fee to the claim just in case (as the matter is completely the breeders fault).
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