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Proposed law in Missouri - fines for fixing hunting dogs

post #1 of 20
1/6/06 at 2:54pm
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A Missouri senator is proposing a $500 fine to shelters that spay or neuter dogs used for hunting or livestock production.

https://secure2.convio.net/aspca/sit...4TQIyveRs55mVw..

I realize this link shows the case against the proposed law and highly biased, but what do you think?

Personally, I'm scratching my head on this one - I can't think of a single reason why they should pass this law.

If you oppose and live in Missouri - call your senator and complain!
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post #2 of 20
1/6/06 at 3:26pm
How idiotic is this. What is wrong with the state Of Missouri.
Are they nuts? Now I have heard everything.
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post #3 of 20
1/6/06 at 4:45pm


That is a very strange law. I really wonder what the "logic" behind it is. I doubt that there is a legitimate reason behind it... but there must still be a reason. I honestly cannot imagine what it could be.
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post #4 of 20
1/6/06 at 6:02pm
I'm usually pretty good at playing "devil's advocate" and figuring out the reason (no matter how weird) behind something, but I swear I can't come up with one for this!

The only thing I can think MIGHT be the problem, is that hunting dogs do get lost (and lose collars and ID in the process ) when they're on a scent line, and these may be breeding, or future breeding animals. If the animal is found, brought to a shelter, neutered, and then the owner shows up. That might be a problem. But I can't really imagine that happening that often.
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post #5 of 20
1/6/06 at 7:48pm
::censor::censor::censor::
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post #6 of 20
1/6/06 at 8:06pm
Ooookkkkaaayyyyy.....

Can't they think of a better cause to spend taxpayers money on?
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post #7 of 20
1/7/06 at 5:47am
Bradley is a hunter and he's always saying that a real hunter doesn't need a dog to help them harvest anything! That law is a load of CRAP if ever there was one .
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post #8 of 20
1/7/06 at 6:20am
Bradley must not bird hunt. I won't say they're absolutely necessary, but I can see how trained retrievers would make life a lot easier for a bird hunter in finding a down bird in a brushy field. Also, I'm not sure about coon-hunting. I think the use of the dogs to tree may be more about tradition and listening to the hounds on a line than with any idea of actually bringing home a 'coon. Traditional English style fox-hunting (with hounds and horse) is more about having a good run than bringing home a fox (I understand drag hunts are about as common as "the real thing" in fox-hunting country and actual fox-hunting in England is now illegal.) Using dogs to hunt deer of course, is illegal (at least in this state.)
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post #9 of 20
1/7/06 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by RoseHawke
I'm usually pretty good at playing "devil's advocate" and figuring out the reason (no matter how weird) behind something, but I swear I can't come up with one for this!
That's exactly where I am on this issue. I live in Missouri, and there is a huge hunting dog training facility about 2 miles from my home. They train mostly for birding here (dogs that hunt birds are not called by their breed name here, they are simply "bird dogs").

Missouri is also notorious for their puppy mills (I think they have the worst record in the nation) and this to me is just another example of the short-sidedness of this state. Animals are simply property here, with no concern for their well being.
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post #10 of 20
1/7/06 at 9:53am
I am just confused. Is it just a way of getting revenue from the ASPCA?
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post #11 of 20
1/7/06 at 9:58am
How does the shelter know what the dogs will be used for when they go to a home? This law makes no sence
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post #12 of 20
1/7/06 at 5:01pm
If it's lost dogs they worry about why not just make them get microchipped?
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post #13 of 20
1/7/06 at 5:10pm
I dont understand this thought anymore than the its okay to take an old dog to the woods and shot it...
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post #14 of 20
1/10/06 at 10:50am
Unbelievable!
It looks like Misourri needs to work on their animal cruelty laws too! Pathetic!
http://straypetadvocacy.org/html/cruelty_laws.html
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post #15 of 20
1/11/06 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by ckblv
How idiotic is this. What is wrong with the state Of Missouri.
Are they nuts? Now I have heard everything.
YES!!! That is why us missourians call the state of missouri, the state of misery lol

I will DEFINATLY contact my senator!
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post #16 of 20
1/14/06 at 9:46pm
There is a mandatory holding period for any animal that is brought in as a stray anyway. In most jurisdictions it's 5 days. No animal can be s/n within that period anyway. And if you haven't realized your dog is missing and called the local shelters within 5 days, well, tough noogies! This seems like a no-brainer to me.
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post #17 of 20
1/14/06 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
Unbelievable!
It looks like Misourri needs to work on their animal cruelty laws too! Pathetic!
http://straypetadvocacy.org/html/cruelty_laws.html
So according to this someone can kill a hunting dog but a shelter shouldn't be able to neuter him.

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post #18 of 20
1/19/06 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by semiferal
So according to this someone can kill a hunting dog but a shelter shouldn't be able to neuter him.
Yeah, the penalties are lenient and there are exemptions to them including "humane killing." I don't get it either.
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post #19 of 20
1/25/06 at 6:06pm
OK, so, if they implemented this in Minnesota, let me think....the HS would spay/neuter...none of their dogs!?!?! Every dog that comes in could possibly be a hunting dog. Labs are hunting dogs....almost every dog in the HS could have lab in it. Most every dog around here is a hunting dog. What about the Rott/Lab mix? He can be a hunting dog! Don't neuter him, then! The dog with a tiny bit of BC in it? Don't spay her, either! Just about the only dogs the HS sees that aren't "hunting dogs" are the tiny ones likes Rat Terriers, Poodles, etc. Why shouldn't a hunting dog be altered? It doesn't make them hunt any better or worse. In some cases, yes, the dog would make an excellent stud/mother, but most of the hunting dogs in the HS here are the result of unaltered hunting dogs.


Then you get the possibility of reproduction within the shelter, rescue, or HS itself. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?


As far as killing dogs, around here, if a dog is seen chasing deer, you can shoot it. Regardless of a collar or ID of any form. Just whip out the gun & shoot the dog! If your dog is chasing livestock, it might not come home one day & no one will say anything about it.... We have to watch Macey really close because one of the neighbors doesn't like her. She is "ugly." Is that a reason to want shoot her? I think the neighbor is ugly. Why can't I shoot him?!?!

I think I need to go calm down now...
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post #20 of 20
1/25/06 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by white cat lover
As far as killing dogs, around here, if a dog is seen chasing deer, you can shoot it. Regardless of a collar or ID of any form. Just whip out the gun & shoot the dog! If your dog is chasing livestock, it might not come home one day & no one will say anything about it.... We have to watch Macey really close because one of the neighbors doesn't like her. She is "ugly." Is that a reason to want shoot her? I think the neighbor is ugly. Why can't I shoot him?!?!

I think I need to go calm down now...
It's OK Natalie, calm down.

There have been situations close to my house where trappers have shot dogs that stumbled into their traps, and our neighbors dog was shot as it was crossing the cattle pasture across the street from our house. Nothing is ever done about those incidents.

My conclusion: Missouri is simply a backwards state when it comes to animal laws.
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