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post #91 of 106
I can see both sides of the moggie/purebred question. I am currently in rescue, fostering kittens. I look at these totally precious little babies, and it does make me sick that if they are not adopted by the time they are 6 months old, they may never get chosen. That the odds are good, despite the filtering we do, that someone someday will take one of the little moggie kitties to the pound, or turn them outside for peeing in a corner.

I understand liking the look or personality of a purebred, because there are two specific breeds that I find to be ugly. So I don't find it odd that someone may LOVE the look that I find ugly, and find my moggies to be plain janes. (Personally, I think Festus is plain. She looks like a common barn cat to me, and while her stripes and such are beautiful, if stacked up against a tuxedo or silver tabby, I would choose them for looks every time!) What I don't understand is why humans will say this one is worth $1,000.00, and this one is worthless monetarily. And I don't think there is an answer to that, except that it is looking at the issue from the wrong direction.

While I'm sure there are people out there who want a cat as a pet and a status symbol, to most they just want a pet. And if you get a purebred from a decent breeder, you will get a healthier cat than one of my moggies. My last foster litter had 3 of 5 kittens die. My current litter battled sneezes and eye goop from a virus, fleas, and still has worms. They are still wonderful little babies, but if you want a kitty who's Momma had all her shots, and has been protected from illness, you may not want one of mine. Or if you do want one, you will take it understanding it has overcome some health challenges.

I think sometimes people ask "what breed" because when you look at any cat, moggie or purebred, they are so very fascinating. The pattern of the tabby stripes, the shape of the ear, the color of the eye...you begin to think, surely someone bred for this wonderful look! This cat is so very special...what is the breed. They don't realize that moggie litters often have 4-5 cats who are all different in coloring. They look at the one they ended up with, and know that there are others out there that look the same, and want to know if it is a breed relationship.

Personally, I would LOVE to breed cats. To have the fun of what I do now, with the litters several times per year, but have the kittens be in high demand. Mostly, I would love to work out the genetics over 10-20 years, and breed for certain characteristics. My tuxie kitten has white feet with black paw pads. I think that is cool. I would love to breed that! My outside boy, Will, has two gray slashes by his nose, making him look like a piggy. I would LOVE to breed for that. The piggy cats, by Becky. So I do understand there is love involved in breeding.

If anyone thinks their cat is more "valuable" than my Festie or Garfield, they are wrong. Value is different than cost. I know most posters here esteem each cat for itself. The people out there who equate the cost of a cat with it's worth, I just figure they have a screw loose.
post #92 of 106
Ok....so I'll chime in. I am a rescuer, I own two lovely moggies and I am friends with Gaye! The breeder versus rescue argument becomes old...why? Because you won't find a reputable breeders kittens or cats in a shelter...they take precautions to ensure that the cat comes back to them if the new owner cannot care for the cat. Even if all breeding were to stop, people would still want what is "rare"....so they would simply go overseas to acquire a purebred cat. In the end...I don't want the end of breeding....but I want people who are looking for a purebred cat to go to a reputable breeder. I want BYBs to go out of business.

Why is there a perception that moggies are less "valuble"....well, I would say that is an issue of our society and a basic matter of supply and demand. Unfortunately there are so many moggies versus true purebreds that we have in essence, created the problem ourselves. I can pick up the paper today and find a lot of ads for "free to a good home" moggie cats and kittens....I can also find lots of moggies at any rescue group or shelter...and also I can go into any alley, barn etc. and find moggies there too. The point isn't to blame breeders....let's acknowledge the simple fact that we have far too many moggies that are breeding uncontrolled. The way to impact the perception of these cats is to stabilize and reduce their numbers so that they are on equal footing with their purebred cousins. Spaying/neutering is the key....not pointing fingers or blaming breeders.

Katie
post #93 of 106
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Originally Posted by TNR1
Ok....so I'll chime in. I am a rescuer, I own two lovely moggies and I am friends with Gaye! The breeder versus rescue argument becomes old...why? Because you won't find a reputable breeders kittens or cats in a shelter...they take precautions to ensure that the cat comes back to them if the new owner cannot care for the cat. Even if all breeding were to stop, people would still want what is "rare"....so they would simply go overseas to acquire a purebred cat. In the end...I don't want the end of breeding....but I want people who are looking for a purebred cat to go to a reputable breeder. I want BYBs to go out of business.

Why is there a perception that moggies are less "valuble"....well, I would say that is an issue of our society and a basic matter of supply and demand. Unfortunately there are so many moggies versus true purebreds that we have in essence, created the problem ourselves. I can pick up the paper today and find a lot of ads for "free to a good home" moggie cats and kittens....I can also find lots of moggies at any rescue group or shelter...and also I can go into any alley, barn etc. and find moggies there too. The point isn't to blame breeders....let's acknowledge the simple fact that we have far too many moggies that are breeding uncontrolled. The way to impact the perception of these cats is to stabilize and reduce their numbers so that they are on equal footing with their purebred cousins. Spaying/neutering is the key....not pointing fingers or blaming breeders.

Katie
Very well said. If some folks were more responsible about spay/neuter, we wouldn't have all those lovely little moggies sitting in cages waiting for good homes. I honestly cannot see how the breeders are at fault for those irresponsible owners. All we can do is educate and hope at least some of these BYB's take the advice and start spaying and neutering.
post #94 of 106
I think those posters are just curious. I don't think they mean to annoy anyone.

I don't care what breed mine are as long as they are happy and healthy.
post #95 of 106
I think most people on either side of the moggie/purebred fence are sensitive to their side's unique issues, and unless the chip on their shoulder is too big, can see the other side's point of view as well. I understand how moggie caretakers feel because I used to feel the same way with Cupid. He has furry paws and face, and I felt like within the Sphynx community, he was looked down upon because he wasn't "show quality". It hurt my feelings because I wanted everyone to love him as much as I love him, and not let something like that sway their judgement. Then I realized that it doesn't matter a bit what anyone who WOULD judge him based on his looks thinks because they're not true cat-lovers, and certainly don't deserve to know Cupid for who he is. Their loss.

And I don't think anyone needs to justify their decision on which pet they take into their homes. Everyone has their reasons, whether it's because it's the type of cat that will fit into their lifestyle, or because they have moral stances against breeding. Both have their alternate sides: some people who buy purebreds do so because they want a trophy cat to look good to others and some people who adopt moggies do so because they want a medal of honor to look good to their selves.

I think it would have been a tragedy if I hadn't brought a cat into my home, and I feel so lucky to have gotten my soul-mate kitty, Cupid. I wouldn't have gotten him anywhere else. I'm sure a lot of people who share the same kind of bond with their kitties feel the same way, whether their cat found them through a shelter or a breeder.

Luvmysphynx.
post #96 of 106
I think that people are a little over sensitive to this topic perhaps. I have had as far as I can remember and count, 14 cats since my first. All but one were moggie's, mixed breeds. I started a thread and asked if anybody knew what breed my Hobbs is. I asked out of curiousity, but also knowing that he was pretty much a mixed breed. I was just curious as to what went into the "mix" of my sweet little cat. I also have three dogs, all "mutts" and have always been curious as to what breeds they were part of. There are probably people out there that take great pride in having a "pure bred", and that's fine for them. My Ragdoll Blueberry is a purebred, and has papers, and all that stuff, but she is loved no more or less than my other pets. The papers mean nothing to me personally. I dont go flashing them around. In fact I am not even sure where they are. So I think for most people that ask, they are just curious. In fact I think it is an indication of affection and love to want to know as much as you can about all the people and kitty people that are important in our lives.
post #97 of 106
Hmm, I dunno what the big deal is as far as cats go. Though I think it would be really cool to understand which markings, etc., are dominant or recessive.

Now, as far as dogs go, since many of them are bred largely for temperament, or have a temperament common to the breed, I would want to know the genetics of a dog I was getting, if I could. But since if I ever get a dog it will be a rescue, I probably won't know, and that's okay too.
post #98 of 106
I personally only ever ask what colour a cat is (unless I am being asked to foster one, and then I only tend to ask the age and sex of them, colour seems to come way down on the list). And I can understand why someone who doesn't know a lot would ask what breed, as they may get breed and colour mixed up (i.e. a lot of people think tabby or tortie is a breed). We had a debate on another forum about people picking cats on colours, but I don't see anything wrong with that either, sometimes (and more now people advertise cats for rehoming on the internet), a pic is the first thing you have to go on - and I certainly don't care if someone adopts one of my fosters cos of the pic of them!!
post #99 of 106
i think it's silly personally, a cat is a cat and a cat lover should love all cats the same, technically purebreds came from moggy's anyway so i can't understand why anyone would think their purebred is better, other purebreds as beautiful as they are, are just freak accidents, like the sphinx, i love those cats but i don't think they are any better than a moggy at the pound.

i think if you want a certain breed, that is fine, but some people i have met (not on here) have looked down their noses at my cats because they are moggy's, people that shallow shouldn't even have a cat as far as i'm concerned, not only with cats but i met a guy who had a little designer dog of some sort and nassa wanted to play with it, i asked him what it was and he proudly told me, then i told him what nass was and he's like 'oh okay' in a snotty voice, if i bred dogs like nass, half wolfhound, half english pointer and gave them a name no-one would look down on them so why do it just because some person hasn't made her a special breed?

in the end i think people should have whatever cat they like, just remember that there are thousands of cats at the pound, sweet adorable moggy's who really need a home...
post #100 of 106
While I understand that its hard to tell if any purebreds are in the backgrounds of mixed breeds, you can make an educated guess as to what might be in the background even tho you have no papers. Technically without papers to prove otherwise you do have either a domestic shorthair or domestic longhair. But people like to associate their kittys with something more then ordinary.

What is the harm of making an educated guess as to what a cat looks like? All you need to do is say "well he/she COULD have (fill in a breed) in the background - we don't know for sure" and leave it at that.

There are many cats that resemble maine coons in body, type, etc. and very well could have maine coons in the background. Remember maine coons were originally a "barn type cat" and some breeders just standardized the breed to be consistant. Even if you don't have papers and the cat closely resembles a maine coon the chances are that the cat DOES have it in the background more then it doesn't.

Same with some other breeds: siamese or siamese types - you have the colorpoint gene in many breeds. However if your cat is long and slendar like the modern day siamese, then chances are there IS siamese in the background. Also the long and slendar body would be an oriental type of cat in the background.

If you have a curly coated cat, there IS some type of rex in the background. If you have a shorthair blue with silver tipping and green eyes, they could be Russian blue in the background. A tailess cat (natural) probably has a manx in the background.

I know a lot of you are against telling people your cat is (or looks like)...(breed) but I really do not see the harm in making an educated guess. Its not like the person is claiming their cat is such and such breed - they just want to know what we think it might look like.

IMO I find it fun to try and figure out what might in in the background. You do have certain types/body builds/fur length to make a good educated guess on what breed might be there.
post #101 of 106
I agree it is fun to guess. I also think some people want to know what is behind their cat because of certain breed traits, that they can see in their own kitties.
I have many people email me who say their cat must have (fill in the blank) in it, because of physical features, but most of the time it has to do with temperament. I think these people find their kitties very special and want everyone to know it. All kitties are wonderful no matter what it is or what is behind it.
post #102 of 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by pandybear
in the end i think people should have whatever cat they like, just remember that there are thousands of cats at the pound, sweet adorable moggy's who really need a home...
post #103 of 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by TNR1
Ok....so I'll chime in. I am a rescuer, I own two lovely moggies and I am friends with Gaye! The breeder versus rescue argument becomes old...why? Because you won't find a reputable breeders kittens or cats in a shelter...they take precautions to ensure that the cat comes back to them if the new owner cannot care for the cat. Even if all breeding were to stop, people would still want what is "rare"....so they would simply go overseas to acquire a purebred cat. In the end...I don't want the end of breeding....but I want people who are looking for a purebred cat to go to a reputable breeder. I want BYBs to go out of business.

Why is there a perception that moggies are less "valuble"....well, I would say that is an issue of our society and a basic matter of supply and demand. Unfortunately there are so many moggies versus true purebreds that we have in essence, created the problem ourselves. I can pick up the paper today and find a lot of ads for "free to a good home" moggie cats and kittens....I can also find lots of moggies at any rescue group or shelter...and also I can go into any alley, barn etc. and find moggies there too. The point isn't to blame breeders....let's acknowledge the simple fact that we have far too many moggies that are breeding uncontrolled. The way to impact the perception of these cats is to stabilize and reduce their numbers so that they are on equal footing with their purebred cousins. Spaying/neutering is the key....not pointing fingers or blaming breeders.

Katie

Thank you, voice of reason.


I believe it is just curiosity. We're not born with infinite animal knowledge. Some people just do not know that the orange cats they see so many of or the little spotted or striped cats, etc. have not been labelled as seperate breeds, and are just identified by coat pattern It gives them something to reply with when their equally unknowing friends/family ask "what breed is it?". It is not a question of worth, but identity.
post #104 of 106
Thaks for this thread, it's like when you adopt a baby, it's nice to have some history or roots. my kitty is a regular little pound kitty but she is very athletic and quiet and I like to imagine that she has some wonderful exotic strains of royalty in her. whatever she is, she's queen of my heart.
post #105 of 106
I always think its pointless the guessing game. My reply will always be the same without papers its a DSH DMH or DLH. I think that this guessing makes people think there cat is something its not and if they have adopted the cat because of it these reasons thats very sad. This discussion was had in this thread in IMO
http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74680

So not sure the purpose in having the discussion again
post #106 of 106
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