more Bush bashing

That game is so addictive!

This is the best one yet! LOL

Personally, I like George Bush quite well, although I don't agree with everything he does. I admire his courage and conviction.

I think that game would be better if it were Ted Kennedy.

Well, I'm not a Bush fan, but it was getting aggravating awhile back when every political subject turned into a Bush Bash festival. I like this thread because it says exactly what it is.

That was too fun!

I wonder if he ever sees any of these sites, or if his kids or wife do?

Har har har har har. That is very funny.

Now, if Bush weren't just a terrorist disguised as a western political leader, I might not have played that, but seeing as how I hope the man develops a conscience and manages to work out what he's done to so many innocent people, I'll be playing it every hour until then!

I only wish there were a John Howard one to go with it....although he would probably have HIS head right up where the sun don't shine...

Wow, so you are calling our President a terrorist? Wow.
That is pretty harsh IMO.

Yes, it is pretty harsh, but it's what I believe. I just don't believe that that man has any redeeming qualities whatsoever, and the terror that he has imposed on the countries he has violated puts him in my terrorism book. Terrorists aren't just relegated to those of Middle Eastern descent or Muslims.

I feel exactly the same way about our own Prime Minister, though. He rules a society based on fear tactics, he was voted in again on a campaign based on fear tactics - that is what our whole world is about these days.

`War on Terror', `Be alert not alarmed' so on and so forth - our leaders are cultivating a fearful society, afraid of looking over their shoulders, afraid of standing up, afraid of being fair to people of ethnic origin. What is that if not a subtler form of terrorism?

My ex-husband made a comment on 9/11, he said, `Wow, that doesn't look like the US, it looks like Beirut.' He didn't realise the significance of what he said, but those poor countries in the Middle East have been suffering under Western interference for a lot longer than we have been suffering under Eastern terrorism. I think it is a universal tragedy what happened on 9/11, it was the worst thing that has ever happened in my lifetime. I still cry when I think about it, which is often.

But let's not forget it's not the first time so many people have died in a bombing - it's just the first time it's happened on Western soil. Do you know what the other anniversary of 9/11 is? It's the date the Chilean armed forces staged a Coup D`Etat against the government of President Salvador Allende, the first democratically elected Marxist leader in Latin America. The U.S. government and its Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had worked for three years to foment a coup against Allende, who was regarded by the Nixon administration as a threat to democracy in Chile and Latin America. Ironically, the democratically elected Allende was succeeded by the brutal dictator General Augusto Pinochet, who ruled over Chile with an iron fist for the next 17 years.

I wonder how many of us remember that little (U.S.-incited) moment in history?

Well said!

There are so many instances of US government supporting brutal dictators. Pinochet, Suharto, Mobutu, Saddam Hussein (during his most brutal years) and so on. Suharto would not have been able to invade East Timor without the help of the US (approximately 200,000 East Timorese died as a result). Wasn't it Bush who said that if you're helping terrorists, you are a terrorist? So sorry to say, many "terrorists" have gone through the White House according to that defenition.

I know Canada isn't really better. Our government has also provided help to the Indonesian government to continue their massacre in East Timor.

I expect to see Bush bashing, I didn't know the whole history of America would be indicted. Although I shouldn't be surprised. We are portrayed as the Great Satan by more than just Osama Bin Laden - our own media portrays the US as such. I guess that's part of the territory of being the sole super-power left.

We help others more than any other country IMO.
How people can sit and say we are a terrorist country is beyond me
You mention Chile.
I mention WWII and we saved the world.
I am astonished at some of the posts here.
I love my country and I am proud of what it has done (for the most part) and for what it stands for.
There is a War on Terror going on whether we want to admit it or not.
I am all for the Patriot Act.

Saddam Hussein put people feet first into wood chippers. Whatever you think of President Bush and his policies, he is not on the same field as Hussein and others of his ilk. To elevate President Bush to a terrorist belittles the term, IMO.

I don't care if people personally hate him, or disagree with him, or get a chuckle playing on a silly website. But calling President Bush a terrorist is the same as calling a person with 11 cats (like me!) a hoarder, or equating a person who had a pet pts with Peta who wants to kill all pets.

Well said Beckiboo.


I don't much like the war in the Iraq either but I think we tend to forget what happended under Sadaam and his lovely sons. The rape rooms, REAL torture, genocide, mass murder, etc etc. How soon we forget.

How about the 17 UN resolutions that Sadaam thumbed his nose at?
How many more years was he supposed to be allowed to keep doing that?
It had been 12, should we have gone for 20 years?

I have not seen anymore terrorist attacks since 9-11 so we must be doing something right because it is not that the terrorist attacks have stopped other places.

We would have had Osama if Clinton had taken him when he was offered him by, who was it, Sudan.

I don't know what people think should we not fight the terrorists?
I guess we could just give in and surrender.

to the top four posts. I am proud of our country. I pray for our President and our leaders and our military. I am glad to see a President who will not sit on his royal behind, look the other way, and watch terror come to the US. Only in America can you even get on a board like this, or express your opinion against its leaders without some eye opening results. America is not perfect, George Bush is not perfect. But I know no other country where I want to live. Go George, there are some of us who love you, support you, and pray for you and your family every day.

I, also, pray for President Bush and all Politicians to do the right thing.
Good post Bug, I admire Bush's courage and conviction and wish Harry Belafonte would go suck a lemon. AARP's man of the year, indeed.

but didn't Bush bring up Saddams history as a reason to go to war with him?

Double standards.

ps. before I get accused of being anti-american - I am not. I'm just not a fan of the current administration.

I'm not quite following the logic...or why it's a double standard to be opposed to objecting to the notion that the US has been a terrorist nation for decades. Saddam was one leader. Bush is one leader. It would be a double standard to say that you can't use Bush's first term against him now.

I expect Bush Bashing when the title of the thread says that, but I was caught a bit off guard by the whole country and it's history being bashed and lumped into the whole Bush debate.

Where did you ever get that idea? I'm sorry, but that's laughable, and an insult to the majority of the world's true democracies.

Not trying to speak for anyone else here but I think what Bug meant was "as opposed to opressive countries such as the former Iraq, since we were talking about terrorists.

No, George Bush is not perfect and I don't agree with all of his policies. But I think he is far from being a terrorist. I believe he wants to see America stay THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. One thing I do see is that we have not had another 911 experience as of yet. I believe it is because of the action this country has taken to let terrorists know Americans won't sit back and allow anymore of what happened without taking action against the known terrorists of the world. No matter how bad some may think our current administration is, it hasn't stopped people from immigrating to America. And I doubt that any Americans have left the country to live somewhere else because of Mr. Bush and his "War on Terror". Anyway, his term will expire and then someone else will take his place. I am sure whoever HE is will be perfect. Everyone in America will be satisfied and we won't have any issues to discuss about the next president.

What, apart from China and Israel??

I am not disputing that the US has helped many also, and I never said that you are a `terrorist country'. If you are going to quote me, quote me correctly. I said BUSH HIMSELF creates terror and fear.

By dropping the first two atomic bombs ever in history and killing countless hundreds of thousands of people. Good one.

Yes, a War which your president started. I have NO problem whatsoever with the fact that Saddam had to go. I have said in this forum before that he was a brutal dictator that needed to be held to account for his horrific crimes. I have never disputed that and I stand by that. I don't see the need to destroy his whole country and its innocent population to acheive this goal, however.

I am not saying that the US is a terrible country by any means. It has as much beauty, love of life and freedom, intelligence, education, compassion, kindness and good will as any other country. THAT is not the point of any of my posts and never has been. Nor are the American people terrible people - I don't know them all, of course - but I'm sure the cross section of Americans is, again, the same as that of any other country.

However, I am not so blind as to say there have never been terrible things done in your history, or that your government is not doing terrible things now, all under `the end justifies the means' umbrella.

God my country doesn't have a lot to be proud of either, at the moment - something I have also said in other posts on this forum.

I was asked why I stated that I thought Bush was a `terrorist disguised as a Western leader' and I explained. And I stand by that. Ask any five-year-old child in Iraq how they view Mr Bush and I'm sure they wouldn't smile and say they'd like to shake his hand. I just don't think that saving people from oppression has to involve becoming oppressive.

I don't base anything I say on hearsay and unfounded opinion. I read, I study, I look into things and try to see them from all sides. I try to see the TRUTH about governments, yours, mine, all of them. I try to sort out the media hype from the reality.

The sad fact is that the US governments have many, many things in their history to be terribly ashamed of. As does the Australian, British I could go on and on. I do not exempt anyone, and I do not take away from the good that they have also done. I just try not to be blinkered and believe only what I want to believe. There is good and bad EVERYWHERE. It is not just isolated to the Middle East or those of Muslim descent.

Re: dropping the atomic bomb. If we hadn't, the conservative estimate of casualties was close to or exceeding a million. The Japanese were training their civilians, women and children, to fight the enemy, and there was a coup in the works because the Emperor knew he was defeated and was willing to surrender to save the lives of the Japanese people. Others would have rather had the entire country wiped off the planet than to surrender.

The War on Terror was not started by Bush. That was started years ago by the fundamentalist movement. Well, they were trying to start a war anyway, and they finally succeeded with 9/11. Whether or not the invasion of Iraq was in response to that is a debate that will never end, no matter how the history books write it. But the terrorists had been attacking "Western" (not just the US) interests for years and years. Bush responded.

China is an economic superpower, but not a world superpower. Israel really isn't even close, and I have no idea how they could be considered a superpower. The only two in recent history were the US and the Soviet Union. Russia has crumbled as a world power.

I am talking superpower in terms of what they could acheive worldwide should they feel the need. Not the old Cold War type definition. And economics and military might (Israel) are what the world is about these days. Economics is WHY the US and Russia were considered superpowers in the first place.

Oh I beg to differ. I think there are many many Iraqui children that love America and especially our troops.
I have many many pictures emailed to me all the time.

The media spins the War one way and the reality is much different, but we all believe what we want to believe.

And we did save the world in WWII.

My father fought in that war and for anyone to equate WWII just with the Atomic bomb that we were FORCED to use to avoid millions more of our men being killed does a great disservice to all the brave men and women who fought and died in WWII. That is highly insulting IMO.
Someone has to fight for freedom, I honor our military.