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Ariel Sharon's Stroke; New Leader in Israel

post #1 of 17
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It seemed like a glaring absence to not have this here, as this is a MAJOR world event.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ron/index.html

I'll be totally honest in saying that I don't really know enough about the person taking over as Prime Minister of Israel to make a judgement. I just hope that perhaps with both Arafat and Sharon leaving their leadership positions, maybe there will be more level heads to discuss the peace process.
post #2 of 17
I'd like to know how Anne feels...
post #3 of 17
Thank you for pointing me to this thread Tania!

The only thing that's clear right now is that Sharon won't be going back to politics. He was the leading candidate (elections coming up in three months time). No one quite sure what happens next really...

He was actually the most pragmatic leader and the one with the best chance to promote peace... I really don't know what comes next...

post #4 of 17
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Thanks for posting, Anne. I'm sure this has to be a confusing time for all of Israel, and my thoughts are with all of your country that it remains a peaceful time.

From what I know, Sharon was a good leader, but the Palestinians still saw him as a war leader. That's why I said that perhaps with a change of the leadership on both sides, I hope there is a better chance at peace...
post #5 of 17
Did you see this comment. Geez how closed minded can you get.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105/...bertson_sharon
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Originally Posted by eburgess
Did you see this comment. Geez how closed minded can you get.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105/...bertson_sharon
Pat Robertson is a yahoo. I'd say more, but this is a family site...
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There have been so many changes lately in the Middle East, between Arafat's and King Hussein's deaths, the "removal" of Saddam Hussein, the new regime in Iraq, and the withdrawal from Gaza. Now with Sharon's poor health, the situation will change once more. We can only hope and pray for men of peace, with patience, tolerance and understanding, to fill the void.
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by eburgess
Did you see this comment. Geez how closed minded can you get.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105/...bertson_sharon
It's outrageous. http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05...ron/index.html
The more that man opens up his mouth, the less respect I have for the "Christian Coalition".
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Originally Posted by jcat
It's outrageous. http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05...ron/index.html
The more that man opens up his mouth, the less respect I have for the "Christian Coalition".
Pat Robertson is to Christianity what Osama Bin Laden is to Islam. The ONLY difference is that Robertson isn't actively ordering his followers to kill themselves and others. It just amazes me that there are 1 million people with no brains of their own who watch his show every day.
post #10 of 17
Pat Robertson really need to keep his big mouth shut. I believe he really is not a Christian and does what he does to make all Christians look like flakes.
I do not believe for one moment that the Heavenly Father that I worship
causes strokes to happen.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Pat Robertson is to Christianity what Osama Bin Laden is to Islam. The ONLY difference is that Robertson isn't actively ordering his followers to kill themselves and others. It just amazes me that there are 1 million people with no brains of their own who watch his show every day.
Very well said! Not only do people watch his show, they send him money!
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by ckblv
I believe he really is not a Christian and does what he does to make all Christians look like flakes.
Or maybe to make money? His show is broadcast over here, too, on cable. Don't ask me who watches it. I'm always reminded of that Genesis song. I forget the title, but it goes, "...Jesus he loves me, and he knows I'm right..."
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[quote=valanhb]Pat Robertson is to Christianity what Osama Bin Laden is to Islam. The ONLY difference is that Robertson isn't actively ordering his followers to kill themselves and others.

The "ONLY" difference????? I am no big fan of Robertson at all, (I am not even a Christian) but to compare him to Osama Bin Laden, seems way over the top. OBL is an admitted mass murderer, who celebrates the killing of innocent men, women, and children. He leads a movement (radical Islam) that espouses the spread of Islam throughout the world, through force if necessary. He openly states that it is his intention to murder Americans by the millions if given the opportunity. The "ONLY" difference that you point to may just eventually cause WWIII. Thus, I would hope that you might be more careful in the future in making such a careless comparision. Enough said, I am not on TCS to engage in political debate, but your statement was quite shocking in its naiviete.
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Pat Robertson is to Christianity what Osama Bin Laden is to Islam. The ONLY difference is that Robertson isn't actively ordering his followers to kill themselves and others.

The "ONLY" difference????? I am no big fan of Robertson at all, (I am not even a Christian) but to compare him to Osama Bin Laden, seems way over the top. OBL is an admitted mass murderer, who celebrates the killing of innocent men, women, and children. He leads a movement (radical Islam) that espouses the spread of Islam throughout the world, through force if necessary. He openly states that it is his intention to murder Americans by the millions if given the opportunity. The "ONLY" difference that you point to may just eventually cause WWIII. Thus, I would hope that you might be more careful in the future in making such a careless comparision. Enough said, I am not on TCS to engage in political debate, but your statement was quite shocking in its naiviete.
Not naive at all, and I stand by my statement. Robertson would also have the entire world converted to his religion. He condemns anyone who believes differently than him, to the point of saying that Sharon's stroke is the result of trying to achieve PEACE between Israel and Palestine (which the rest of the world see as one of the first big steps to actually achieving peace in that region, including the Israeli people), and calling for the US to assasinate another world leader. And if Robertson keeps spouting his mouth, radical Islam and the likes of OBL will only have more fuel to add to their fire. People like Pat Robertson will not diffuse WWIII (which we are probably already in the middle of), but cause greater casualties. HE gets the headlines, and HE is what people who don't know better will think that Americans are all about. Al Jazeera and the like cover him and his words like hawks because they know that he preaches as much hate as OBL and will fire up (no pun intended) the radicals on their side. Radical fundamentalism, no matter what religion it hides behind, has the same stripes.

Words are very powerful. I don't know if OBL has ever actually killed in the name of his own cause as Al Qaeda. Robertson does not call for mass murders (I forgot about his call for assassination earlier, so I guess he does call for some selective murders), but his vitriol is very similar to the rhetoric that OBL uses.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Pat Robertson really need to keep his big mouth shut. I believe he really is not a Christian and does what he does to make all Christians look like flakes.
I do not believe for one moment that the Heavenly Father that I worship
causes strokes to happen.
A lot of Muslims feel the same way about Osama Bin Laden that he does these things as some part of a greater conspiracy to make all Muslims look evil.

"Al Jazeera and the like cover him and his words like hawks because they know that he preaches as much hate as OBL and will fire up (no pun intended) the radicals on their side. Radical fundamentalism, no matter what religion it hides behind, has the same stripes."

But the same thing is also done in the west. Thecoverage here of Abu Hamza (hook hand) was unbelieveble. He was known as the local crazy who stood outside the mosques handing out leaflets and everyone laughed at him. Bring in the Sun who decided to make a story out of him and gave him the infamy that he desired and the alienated teenagers running towards him.
post #16 of 17
Israel is breaking off contacts with Robertson. http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/me....ap/index.html
post #17 of 17
I think it's very sad. The whole situation with Israel and Palestine is one of the world's greatest current tragedies, and I can only hope that the illness of Ariel Sharon (while I have nothing to comment on about him as a leader) does not throw the whole region into more chaos.
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