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post #1 of 23
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I have developed quite an interest in showing cats.

I would like to start by going to a cat show where you can show moggies...lol. I know there are some shows that have a `domestic cat' section, and I think I would like to start there.

I would probably like to show Sashka, she is a Russian Blue but has no papers or pedigree. She is spayed, too, and very skittish, which I know is not a good quality for a show cat! However, she is just such a little stunner and I know that with some help with her behaviour and confidence she will really calm down, and could shine at a show. Here she is...



Eventually I would like to have a pedigreed Russian Blue whom I can show as a proper breed, but in order to get experience with the whole scene I would like to start with the kitties that I have.

Does anyone have any advice on how to prepare, what I should do and what I can expect?
post #2 of 23
She is a lovely girl...

I cant remember but someone did a topic on this try a search...
post #3 of 23
Ooooh I'm going through this right now! I just went to my second cat show last weekend showing Hope and Autumn. Hope is a Savannah that dosen't meet breed standard because of a rib deformity and Autumn is a rescue tabby cat. Both of them didn't do well because they are shy and easily scared at the show. Hope also has a little trouble being handled. I was surprised how well Autumn did at her first show.

I would have to say that TICA moggies are hard to compete against... Eevery cat there was the most loving cat even in the chaos of the show! They loved up the judges and were reaching out of the cages to play with toys... My girls were very nervous. But I'm doing it for experience so it dosen't matter if they win. I think its good for their socialization too.

The first time I showed Autumn in a CFA show and there were a lot of shelters/foster programs showing their cats to get them sold there. They were very different experiences. I liked them both in different ways. I think the TICA household pet section is very competitive because your cats can get titles just like a purebreed. CFA shows are more for fun and aren't as serious for moggies. Also not all CFA shows have a HHP section and most all TICA shows do.

Anyway my girls did better in CFA but I liked TICA because they had the breeds I am more interested in watching aside from my showing. Its hectic when you show but if you can start sitting in Russian Blue judging rings then you can learn a lot and talk to a lot of breeders about the cats.

Anyway since I'm getting into breeding bengals and don't have a show eligible bengal (F3) I want to learn as much about showing as possible (and breed standard) as her kittens will be eligible and I'll probably start them right away. Anyway lots of fun .

Check out any of the topics I've started on showing and you'll get my full experience both good, bad, and confusing (ok TICA cages really confused me about what I needed to buy but I got it all figured out now!).

Anyway if you have more questions just ask .
post #4 of 23
I am going to be showing my Somali for the first time next month in CFA. I have been bathing her and taking her on car rides and even to friends houses to work on the socializing. I am gonna start taking her to some of the pet stores like Chow Hound, Petco, and Pet Supplies Plus. She is only 9months old and Ive been doing the baths and car rides since 4mths. Also Ive been told to practice the stretch. I dont know how judges do this but Ive been trying my best stretching her out and tipping her head back.
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by kitytize
I am going to be showing my Somali for the first time next month in CFA. I have been bathing her and taking her on car rides and even to friends houses to work on the socializing. I am gonna start taking her to some of the pet stores like Chow Hound, Petco, and Pet Supplies Plus. She is only 9months old and Ive been doing the baths and car rides since 4mths. Also Ive been told to practice the stretch. I dont know how judges do this but Ive been trying my best stretching her out and tipping her head back.
Here is a short list of some of the things to watch out for, that tend to bother my cats. I think the older your cat/kitten is at their first show, the more these things bother them. It's best to start as early as possible (4 months)

1. The PA system. It's very loud and if you're near the speaker when they make an announcement, it spooks your cat.

2. People in wheelchairs seem to spook some of our cats. I haven't figured out why.

3. Small children that are running and/or screaming.

4. Judges that are either rough or timid. Most handle the cats with confidence, but there are some that are clearly fearful of certain breeds and some that act like the cat is a sack of potatoes.

5. Male cats that are spraying and benched near us. This really bothers our adult show cats more than the kittens.



When the judge looks at your cat, she will place her hand under the front legs and lift him up for the stretch. The cat should keep his rear legs on the podium. The judge will use her other hand to manipulate the casts head, so she can see what see needs to see. I don't see as many judges doing the full stretch of the cat that much anymore.
post #6 of 23
Oh yah there is one judge that likes to do goofy things. Like making the cat waddle accross the table, acting like the cat is having all the fun in the world and this would always result in a hiss from my cats (there was one at both shows that did something like this). People like to watch him because he is really funny but the cats hated him.

People recommended to me to have others handle my cat the way a judge would, that way it wasn't just me. Hope dosen't mind if I hold her but anyone else she does have a problem with. Also if you go early you can bring the cat around to all the judging tables and let them check it out ahead of time.
post #7 of 23
I'm guessing you are not in America (using the term "moggies"). But I can tell you a bit about how American cat shows work. First the section you show mixed breeds (or unregistered purebreds) is called the "household pet" section (or HHP for short).

There are several different associations and each do it slightly different. All associations require HHP's to be spayed and neuter over 8 months old and most will not allow declawed cats.

In CFA they judge all HHP's together in one class whether they are short or long hair. In ACFA and TICA they judge shorthairs together, longhairs together, and the allbreed judges will judge both SH and LH.

In ACFA and TICA you can earn "titles" for your HHP depending on points/wins. These titles are the same status given to the purebreds - champion and grand champion. Also ACFA and TICA registers your HHP's - CFA doesn't.

It would be a good idea to have your friends/family handle your kitty a lot - stand her on a table, stretch her out, pretend they are judging her. Before you show her, she'll need a bath, clip all nails, clean ears, etc. The judges look for a heathy cat, well groomed, and then on personality.

Russian blues tend to be shy cats and she may not like showing, but you never know. Don't be embarrased if the judge needs your assistance. It won't count against you. They realize the most HHP's are only cats with little show experience and will take that in consideration.

Good luck with your kitty - hope she gets a fancy ribbon for you to be proud of.

BTW my first purebred was a Russian Blue. I bred them for awhile. Had a neutered male who really loved showing - he was a ham - but he was a love too - his name was Cassanova and he fit it!
post #8 of 23
I use the term "moggie" all the time. Born and raised in the good ole USA. It's a universally accepted term. People that haven't heard of it usually aren't heavily involved in the cat fancy.
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45
There are several different associations and each do it slightly different. All associations require HHP's to be spayed and neuter over 8 months old and most will not allow declawed cats.
To clarify....TICA allows HHP class declawed cats. They don't endorse or sanction the practice, but they allow the declawed cats to compete.



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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45
In ACFA and TICA you can earn "titles" for your HHP depending on points/wins. These titles are the same status given to the purebreds - champion and grand champion. Also ACFA and TICA registers your HHP's - CFA doesn't.
For TICA, this is incorrect. TICA awards HHP class cats, Master status. They aren't getting championship titles. Completely different situation.
post #10 of 23
I've heard of moggie before - just that its more European then American - in America most everyone refers to mixed breeds as household pets in showing.

And I didn't mean you get the title of champion/grand - just that you have an equivalant of that title - ACFA and TICA call them different but its still the equivalant of a champion or grand champion as a whole cat.

And I didn't say all associations don't allow declawed cats - its frowned upon in ACFA and TICA even if you can show them - its not "advertised" as being acceptable - they just don't ban the cat from being shown like CFA does.
post #11 of 23
The word moggie is easy to pick up because its easier than saying DSH or HHP. I just picked it up from the internet :P .
post #12 of 23
Sarah - what association would you be showing with?

How exciting! Since NZ & Aussie shows are a lot more similar than Aussie and US shows, I'll be able to help you a lot!
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by WellingtonCats
Sarah - what association would you be showing with?

How exciting! Since NZ & Aussie shows are a lot more similar than Aussie and US shows, I'll be able to help you a lot!
Thanks Sam!

I really don't know yet - I'm still at the `thinking about it' stage, but I would like to get a bit more involved in shows. I don't know if Sashka really is the right kitty for this, because she is SO shy, but you could sit on Sunday and she would just purr and give you a head-butt! Maybe I should start with her, she is such a pretty, mellow, sweet girl.
post #14 of 23
You'd be better off going with Sunday, the mellow one - when I'm judging I normally don't give shy cats a second glance.
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by WellingtonCats
You'd be better off going with Sunday, the mellow one - when I'm judging I normally don't give shy cats a second glance.
Not to pick at you, but that doesn't make much sense to me. As a judge I think you should look closely at cats that meet all the breed standards, then compare which cats competing against each other look the best. Personality should be the last contributing factor.
If shows were a personality contest, there would be no need for breed distinction and seperate classes. We could just lump them all together with the moggies included and the cat that is the biggest ham on stage wins.

Now if you're just refering to judging moggies, I can see you taking personality into account a bit more, but still the markings, body structure and beauty of the cat should come first in scoring the cat.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Kai Bengals
Now if you're just refering to judging moggies, I can see you taking personality into account a bit more, but still the markings, body structure and beauty of the cat should come first in scoring the cat.
I wish that were the case. I found the last show to be a personality contest.
post #17 of 23
If you are judging purebreds and you have 2 equally good cats that meet the standard, you probably will pick personality to decide who gets placed over who.

When judging HHP's with no written standard, personality comes more into play. I know when I was judging them I would first judge on grooming and condition and my top HHP's had the more outgoing personality.
post #18 of 23
Thats understandable. HHP's are tough to judge. In the end personality matters as its telling if the cat really wants to be there or not.
post #19 of 23
When I went to the show my cat was not happy. The judges wouldn't really look at him like they did the more playful friendly ones. They'd take him out for about two seconds. It got to the point though where they were calling me up to take him out of his cage and I finally withdrew him from the show. He hated the show and they weren't looking at him anyway so I figured i'd save both me and the cat the trouble....
At home and when I take him places he's friendly as can be though.
post #20 of 23
Wow, it is a real shame to hear about the personality factor even being much of a factor at all ... I can understand it being something to look at in HHP class, but in the other non-alter classes, I would love it if they judged on health first, conformation second and temperment last.
post #21 of 23
I would suggest entering her in TICA's household pet catagorie there website is TICA.org you could see more about it there
post #22 of 23
What a beautiful cat!!
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45
I'm guessing you are not in America (using the term "moggies"). But I can tell you a bit about how American cat shows work. First the section you show mixed breeds (or unregistered purebreds) is called the "household pet" section (or HHP for short).

There are several different associations and each do it slightly different. All associations require HHP's to be spayed and neuter over 8 months old and most will not allow declawed cats.

In CFA they judge all HHP's together in one class whether they are short or long hair. In ACFA and TICA they judge shorthairs together, longhairs together, and the allbreed judges will judge both SH and LH.

In ACFA and TICA you can earn "titles" for your HHP depending on points/wins. These titles are the same status given to the purebreds - champion and grand champion. Also ACFA and TICA registers your HHP's - CFA doesn't.

It would be a good idea to have your friends/family handle your kitty a lot - stand her on a table, stretch her out, pretend they are judging her. Before you show her, she'll need a bath, clip all nails, clean ears, etc. The judges look for a heathy cat, well groomed, and then on personality.

Russian blues tend to be shy cats and she may not like showing, but you never know. Don't be embarrased if the judge needs your assistance. It won't count against you. They realize the most HHP's are only cats with little show experience and will take that in consideration.

Good luck with your kitty - hope she gets a fancy ribbon for you to be proud of.

BTW my first purebred was a Russian Blue. I bred them for awhile. Had a neutered male who really loved showing - he was a ham - but he was a love too - his name was Cassanova and he fit it!
Sounds about right to me.

You might want to check with an Australian Russian Blue breeder as well for more info on local cat assocations. She or he could also prove as a mentor should you decide to purchase and show one of their cats. That's what I did when I purchased Mik and showed him in all classes until he received his Premiership status... until he decided he had enough of the show cat life.
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