Well said, that is the only way you will get an intact cat, unless you are a serious breeder with a cattery and all that and you can prove it.
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Well said, that is the only way you will get an intact cat, unless you are a serious breeder with a cattery and all that and you can prove it.
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The reason the people here are upset is that you seem to have little or no regard for the shelter kits that will not get homes if you go ahead with your plans. There are millions of kittens in shelters, it is not neccessary to make more and deprive those already here of life.
That said, nobody here has a problem with you owning a maine coon cat. If you would get him/her fixed, we would all be happy with it.
With all due respect,
Joecool
That said, nobody here has a problem with you owning a maine coon cat. If you would get him/her fixed, we would all be happy with it.
With all due respect,
Joecool
Very well said...
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Howdy Boys & Girls,
I'm back from shopping and again I am sorry to upset you so much.
You should go to the New Cats On The Block forum and read my very first post. All of my cats were strays.
I also noticed, noone wants any thing for Christmas, or maybe you didn't see that part of my post.
As soon as I have one hundred post, we can go to the IMHO forum and have a real discussion on the virtues of cat goddery.
And once again SORRY!
And Merry Christmas!!!!!
I'm back from shopping and again I am sorry to upset you so much.
You should go to the New Cats On The Block forum and read my very first post. All of my cats were strays.
I also noticed, noone wants any thing for Christmas, or maybe you didn't see that part of my post.
As soon as I have one hundred post, we can go to the IMHO forum and have a real discussion on the virtues of cat goddery.
And once again SORRY!
And Merry Christmas!!!!!
Do you understand what we are saying though? It is a health concern letting your cats go unaltered. That was your biggest issue. But aside from that, if you don't care about the risks, won't you at least keep your cats indoors if they are unaltered? Why let them mate with random other cats? That is another health issue for that matter. Do you at least understand where we are coming from, we have good reasons for what we are saying and your reason is that you don't think it is necessary because it isn't a health reason, when it actually is. We aren't expecting you to be like, "oh ya ok you are right, I am wrong" just see our concern and that maybe you aren't fully informed in the dangers of letting your cat remain unaltered.
Oh and I want an IPOD for Christmas and another cat tree since you asked
Oh and I want an IPOD for Christmas and another cat tree since you asked
A friend recently took in a stray cat. It tested positive for FIV. What if that cat bred with your cat? Not only could it spread but it would contribute to an outbreak. FIV and FelV are not as uncommon as people think.
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Jen, I'll talk to Santa and see what I can do.
And everybody, I appreciate and understand your concerns, but you will just have to believe me when I say all those bad things just aren't happening here. Maybe it's the water.
So relaxe and have a beer
and stay calm.
So getting back to my original question, you don't think anyone will sell me an unaltered cat unless they're a dirty rotton scoundrel? And if I buy a cat and don't have them spayed or neutered then I'm a dirty rotton scoundrel too?
OK I think I have it.
Thank You very much for the information. It looks like I have an uphill battle ahead of me.
C'ya later,
inthesticks
And when you dream, dream big!
Merry Christmas!
And everybody, I appreciate and understand your concerns, but you will just have to believe me when I say all those bad things just aren't happening here. Maybe it's the water.
So getting back to my original question, you don't think anyone will sell me an unaltered cat unless they're a dirty rotton scoundrel? And if I buy a cat and don't have them spayed or neutered then I'm a dirty rotton scoundrel too?
OK I think I have it.
Thank You very much for the information. It looks like I have an uphill battle ahead of me.
C'ya later,
inthesticks
And when you dream, dream big!
Merry Christmas!
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No one believes you are dirty rotten scoundrel. But you have landed on a cat welfare board and we are all about spay and neuter and we have our reasons. Most of us would love nothing better than stop being broke all the time buying food and paying for vet bills for all the strays that come around. It sure would make life easier for us. But until pet owners learn the importance of spaying and neutering, it isn't going to happen. Your way of thinking? I run up against it all the time. The only thing I can do with confronted with such a view is try to change your mind by educating you on the reasons cats should be spayed and neutered. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
If you have a direct line to Santa Claus you might ask him for more money in my budget. Three new ferals have shown up this week, all males, all intact and the cat symphony at night is quite loud. They will be trapped, they will be neutered, and they will either be rehomed or set free-
If you have a direct line to Santa Claus you might ask him for more money in my budget. Three new ferals have shown up this week, all males, all intact and the cat symphony at night is quite loud. They will be trapped, they will be neutered, and they will either be rehomed or set free-
This is what it all boils down to folksOriginally Posted by IntheSticks
Besides maybe we just want to have a big ol' cuddly cat and maybe later some big ol' cuddly kittens.
Inthesticks
So you see the 'health concern" is just an excuse to get a purebred cat for cheap and with no knowledge and breed it.
Just to back up my point that I made in the previous post.
Isn't that what everyone says until they run out of luck? "It doesn't happen to me."Originally Posted by IntheSticks
Jen, I'll talk to Santa and see what I can do.
And everybody, I appreciate and understand your concerns, but you will just have to believe me when I say all those bad things just aren't happening here. Maybe it's the water.So relaxe and have a beerand stay calm.
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Thank you!Originally Posted by Nebula11
Very well said...
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Joe,
How do all the Breeders in here feel about that statement?
You have all been so kind, Thank You!
And again Merry Christmas
Later,
inthesticks
You know, you are not going to get any sympathy or help from us here because we are all basically completely against what it is that you want to do. Being a breeder is one thing, becoming an expert at a breed and knowing the complete genetic history of a line of cats to reproduce because of your excellent sample of the breed. That is what breeding is. Not taking a kitten from someone else's line and letting it out to mate with which ever male happens to be near by is a whole different story. A breeder that worked so hard to study his/her breed and the work they put in to their cattery over many years, is not going to throw it all away and allow someone random person to backyard breed one of their own. That has to make sense, I don't know how to say it any more clearly. To say there are no disease problems near you is just foolish, diseases are everywhere for animals and people. Those cats who do have it, most of the time do not show a single sign and lead an otherwise normal life.
Just curious if you DID try to call a shelter near you? Do you realize there are dying cats in shelters because of people who are backyard breeding like you are? I just don't seem to understand how you could be ok with that? How you could be okay with allowing your cats to have the risk of catching something horrible or having your kittens killed by roaming toms. I mean if that is a risk you are willing to take then that is really sad. You cannot just straight up disagree with us because it is a known fact that cats are dying all over the world because more and more keep being born when all that needs to be done is a simple routine spay or neuter. There are people like many of us here that work so hard for that and to teach other people the importance of it.
If you really do live "in the sticks" then maybe the problem is not as horible in your immediate area, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Wouldn't you give your child a surgery if it could potentially save his life?
Coming on a site like this and asking a question like you did, you are bound to get overloaded with mini lectures (or long ones like mine). To answer your question "no" only an unethical backyard breeder would sell you a cat unaltered or at least without signing a contract saying that you will alter the cat. That is what breeding is about, the BREEDER is the one to continue a particular generation, not a random purchaser. If you want to seriously get into breeding, then that is different. Study up on the breed and become an expert, develop a cattery and soon you can do that with be respected by all other ethical breeders.
Ok I am done, if we can't convince you otherwise by now, then I am afraid we are not going to be able to. I think we should all just drop it basically because we said all we could. If this person what to put their cats at risk then so be it.
To In The Sticks: this has been an interesting discussion I must say even if most of us all here completely disagree with you (sorry). It has remained civil and that is a good thing. I have seen threads like this get way out of hand
Please continue posting with questions in the future but if you keep asking questions like this then there will probably be problems. Read the rules and believes of this forum. Try posting your question specifically on breeding forums. I am actually curious what breeders have to say.
Merry Christmas to you too!
Just curious if you DID try to call a shelter near you? Do you realize there are dying cats in shelters because of people who are backyard breeding like you are? I just don't seem to understand how you could be ok with that? How you could be okay with allowing your cats to have the risk of catching something horrible or having your kittens killed by roaming toms. I mean if that is a risk you are willing to take then that is really sad. You cannot just straight up disagree with us because it is a known fact that cats are dying all over the world because more and more keep being born when all that needs to be done is a simple routine spay or neuter. There are people like many of us here that work so hard for that and to teach other people the importance of it.
If you really do live "in the sticks" then maybe the problem is not as horible in your immediate area, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Wouldn't you give your child a surgery if it could potentially save his life?
Coming on a site like this and asking a question like you did, you are bound to get overloaded with mini lectures (or long ones like mine). To answer your question "no" only an unethical backyard breeder would sell you a cat unaltered or at least without signing a contract saying that you will alter the cat. That is what breeding is about, the BREEDER is the one to continue a particular generation, not a random purchaser. If you want to seriously get into breeding, then that is different. Study up on the breed and become an expert, develop a cattery and soon you can do that with be respected by all other ethical breeders.
Ok I am done, if we can't convince you otherwise by now, then I am afraid we are not going to be able to. I think we should all just drop it basically because we said all we could. If this person what to put their cats at risk then so be it.
To In The Sticks: this has been an interesting discussion I must say even if most of us all here completely disagree with you (sorry). It has remained civil and that is a good thing. I have seen threads like this get way out of hand
Please continue posting with questions in the future but if you keep asking questions like this then there will probably be problems. Read the rules and believes of this forum. Try posting your question specifically on breeding forums. I am actually curious what breeders have to say.
Merry Christmas to you too!
cats arent like people, they dont sit down and plan their families. they are driven by hormones and the females will get pregnant and have babies whether they want them or not.
we have taken cats into our homes and therefore reduced the risks involved with raising a litter. in 'the wild' not every kitten would survive so domestic cats are producing far more offspring than would be natural or healthy. as domestic cats are so well fed and cared for, most every pregnancy will go to long term, something that would not nessicarily happen in the wild and the females body cannot cope with it.
having kittens takea a lot out of a female, not only the birthing process but the feeding and caring for them. a they are un-naturally able to raise the vast majority of their offspring in the safe havens we have created for them their bodies become ravaged by the effects.
a friend i had thought the same as you. once her three female cats had abandoned three or more litters each, (over 20 kittens dead in total, kittens that didnt need to be born) and the males had ran away (i kid you not.) she soon changed her mind.
we have taken cats into our homes and therefore reduced the risks involved with raising a litter. in 'the wild' not every kitten would survive so domestic cats are producing far more offspring than would be natural or healthy. as domestic cats are so well fed and cared for, most every pregnancy will go to long term, something that would not nessicarily happen in the wild and the females body cannot cope with it.
having kittens takea a lot out of a female, not only the birthing process but the feeding and caring for them. a they are un-naturally able to raise the vast majority of their offspring in the safe havens we have created for them their bodies become ravaged by the effects.
a friend i had thought the same as you. once her three female cats had abandoned three or more litters each, (over 20 kittens dead in total, kittens that didnt need to be born) and the males had ran away (i kid you not.) she soon changed her mind.
Wow...I want to know where you live so I can send the cats that are under fear of euthanization here to your neck of the woods. I'm sure we could find you SEVERAL Maine Coons/Maine Coon mixes (we would of course alter all of them before they are sent your way). Would you care to provide your state so I can plan to make transport arrangements.
Katie
ITS, most breeders care who gets their cats and what they do with them. You will not find an ethical breeder who will sell you an unaltered cat to (1) be outside and roam or (2) not be spayed/neutered.
Most breeders care about each kitten they bring in the world. If you cannot be responsible for the kittens you produce, then you are unethical and a backyard breeder. Responsible breeders have spent many years learning/studying their chosen breed to produce the best they can (type and healthwise). Why should they throw all their hard earned money and time away to a person who doesn't give a damn about the breed and has no intentions of improving the breed?
Like I said before the only people you will find to give you a cat are backyard breeders or kitten mills who don't care what you do with their cats.
If you have the attitude you do regarding spaying/neutering then you are in the wrong business. I don't know a vet or tech that doesn't advocate spaying and neutering!
Most breeders care about each kitten they bring in the world. If you cannot be responsible for the kittens you produce, then you are unethical and a backyard breeder. Responsible breeders have spent many years learning/studying their chosen breed to produce the best they can (type and healthwise). Why should they throw all their hard earned money and time away to a person who doesn't give a damn about the breed and has no intentions of improving the breed?
Like I said before the only people you will find to give you a cat are backyard breeders or kitten mills who don't care what you do with their cats.
If you have the attitude you do regarding spaying/neutering then you are in the wrong business. I don't know a vet or tech that doesn't advocate spaying and neutering!
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The point is that you are not breeding for the right reasons. The reason to breed is a love for the breed and a hope to improve it. You want to breed for the kittens. You will only make more moggies, instead of helping those in shelters. The difference is that there is no reason to breed moggies, they are already so abundant. However, purebreds are another matter. You do not plan to be a responsible breeder, that much is obvious.
With all due respect,
Wesley
Ps. I have no problems with responsible breeders. Just BYBs. And i have to wonder about a vet who apparantly has no real reason to do what she does.
With all due respect,
Wesley
Ps. I have no problems with responsible breeders. Just BYBs. And i have to wonder about a vet who apparantly has no real reason to do what she does.
I just read this thread and it saddens me. I can't say anything else that hasn't already been said, except that I agree with everyone....Please reconsider your ideas, for the cats' sakes, if not your own.
What do I want for Christmas?
I want $500 so I can finish spaying and neutering my foster kittens from the summer. The rescue I was working with bailed on me and now I am in a panic that the kittens may have litters of their own before I can afford to get them all fixed.
I want loving, forever homes for my foster cats and kittens. It's not their fault they were born into a world where they are "surplus" and unwanted.
I want to not find any dead kittens in alleys and next spring. I want to not have any newborn kittens die in my hands because their mothers went missing and by the time I found them, it was too late.
I want everyone who thinks it would be "fun" for their pet to have a litter, to spend a day in their local shelter and look into the eyes of the wonderful cats and kittens who are killed in that shelter every single day because there are not enough homes for all of them.
I want everyone who thinks spaying or neutering their cat is "optional" to see a cat suffering with closed pyometra, to see kittens dying of exposure and malnutrition, to look into the eyes of the tomcat who has been in vicious fight after vicious fight and is covered with abscesses in varying stages of healing and who has just been diagnosed with FIV.
I wish everyone who thinks "just one litter" is no big deal could meet a cat named Aggie that I knew a couple of years ago. She was the sweetest cat ever...and her first litter was her last. Not because she was subsequently spayed, but because she died two days later from complications relating to the birth.
I want people to realize that cats deserve to be treated like cats - not like humans.
I want people to understand that they probably do not know as much about cats as those who work with them in a professional capacity on a daily basis, and I want people to be humble enough to learn from those who have more knowledge and experience. A veterinary surgery technician (like, um, me) is probably much more knowledgeable about the needs of cats than a human surgery technician.
For Christmas, I want to be able to save just one more precious, innocent life.
Even more than that, I want everyone else to recognize that they too have the power, and the responsibility, to save these lives. Those who spay and neuter their pets help save their lives. Those who allow their pets to breed are responsible for their deaths.
That's what I want Santa to bring me for Christmas.
I want $500 so I can finish spaying and neutering my foster kittens from the summer. The rescue I was working with bailed on me and now I am in a panic that the kittens may have litters of their own before I can afford to get them all fixed.
I want loving, forever homes for my foster cats and kittens. It's not their fault they were born into a world where they are "surplus" and unwanted.
I want to not find any dead kittens in alleys and next spring. I want to not have any newborn kittens die in my hands because their mothers went missing and by the time I found them, it was too late.
I want everyone who thinks it would be "fun" for their pet to have a litter, to spend a day in their local shelter and look into the eyes of the wonderful cats and kittens who are killed in that shelter every single day because there are not enough homes for all of them.
I want everyone who thinks spaying or neutering their cat is "optional" to see a cat suffering with closed pyometra, to see kittens dying of exposure and malnutrition, to look into the eyes of the tomcat who has been in vicious fight after vicious fight and is covered with abscesses in varying stages of healing and who has just been diagnosed with FIV.
I wish everyone who thinks "just one litter" is no big deal could meet a cat named Aggie that I knew a couple of years ago. She was the sweetest cat ever...and her first litter was her last. Not because she was subsequently spayed, but because she died two days later from complications relating to the birth.
I want people to realize that cats deserve to be treated like cats - not like humans.
I want people to understand that they probably do not know as much about cats as those who work with them in a professional capacity on a daily basis, and I want people to be humble enough to learn from those who have more knowledge and experience. A veterinary surgery technician (like, um, me) is probably much more knowledgeable about the needs of cats than a human surgery technician.
For Christmas, I want to be able to save just one more precious, innocent life.
Even more than that, I want everyone else to recognize that they too have the power, and the responsibility, to save these lives. Those who spay and neuter their pets help save their lives. Those who allow their pets to breed are responsible for their deaths.
That's what I want Santa to bring me for Christmas.
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