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post #1 of 26
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http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles...n/friore03.txt
What is your opinion of charging them as adults? - These three boys chose a house at random, stole items, shot the family pets and then torched the house. Afterwards, they shot a .22 rifle at passing cars. I was surprised that they can be tried as adults, it would be interesting to know the DA's reasoning. It was weird to read the names of teen-agers in the media; but it must be so hard on their families. And what a horrible tragedy for the homeowners - the neighbors said that the loss of the house was secondary to the loss of the pets, those pets were their babies. RIP, sweet furbabies.
post #2 of 26
This kids are obviously psociopaths...(bad seeds)....what kind of reasonable, moral, consiously aware person does such things.....

Breaking into houses is one thing....But killing animals, burning houses down and shooting at cars....I am stunned......I am mortified .....

These kids deserve all that our justice system can give them...and more......

No one who ever did such vile things as a child grew up to be an upstanding citizen....I am glad they are being tried as adults.......I hope they lock them up and throw away the key...a few less psychos in the world is fine w/ me...

RIP sweet babies
post #3 of 26
What a horrible act!! I'm glad they are being charged as adults, they certainly deserve harsher penalties than they would have gotten as juveniles. At 16, they knew what they were doing, they knew it would hurt someone - destroy someone's life - and they did it anyway. You're right Bridget, they are sociopaths.

Rest in Peace furry angels.
post #4 of 26
Yes what they did was horrible, but I'm not sure if they should be tried as an adult. Kids and teenagers are very impulsive (don't think things through before they act). Remember that teens are not adults, although they think they are.
But the DA thinks differently... I guess we'll have to see what the judge allows.


Oh thie kid's names should never have been used in the article.
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by Nebula11
No one who ever did such vile things as a child grew up to be an upstanding citizen....I am glad they are being tried as adults.......I hope they lock them up and throw away the key...a few less psychos in the world is fine w/ me...

RIP sweet babies

I could not have said it better myself. You took the exact words from my thoughts.
post #6 of 26
I'm glad they are being tried as adults as well.

These were horrible crimes, not childish pranks and the punishment should be fitting.
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by eburgess
Yes what they did was horrible, but I'm not sure if they should be tried as an adult. Kids and teenagers are very impulsive (don't think things through before they act). Remember that teens are not adults, although they think they are.

Yeah i was impulsive as a teenager, I skipped school, smoke some pot, started smoking cigs, Started having sex.....

Now let me tell you what I didnt do

I didnt burn down peoples houses
I didnt break into peoples houses and steal stuff
I didnt shoot guns at traffic
And I didnt kill any animal, never mind someones pet.....

Yes you are right Teenagers are impulsive.....However these kids are deranged
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by Nebula11
Yeah i was impulsive as a teenager, I skipped school, smoke some pot, started smoking cigs, Started having sex.....

Now let me tell you what I didnt do

I didnt burn down peoples houses
I didnt break into peoples houses and steal stuff
I didnt shoot guns at traffic
And I didnt kill any animal, never mind someones pet.....

Yes you are right Teenagers are impulsive.....However these kids are deranged
That s my thought s too.. cept I was a very mild mannered teen ( no smoking , drugs , sex)... I went to concerts that was my rebellion
post #9 of 26
Try them to the fullest extent...they need to LEARN THEIR LESSON and teach a possible lesson to others!
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by Nebula11
Yes you are right Teenagers are impulsive.....However these kids are deranged
You are absolutely right! Can you imagine what they would be like as parents to a fussy, colicky baby.....
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
You are absolutely right! Can you imagine what they would be like as parents to a fussy, colicky baby.....

Exellent point!.....
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by Nebula11
Yeah i was impulsive as a teenager, I skipped school, smoke some pot, started smoking cigs, Started having sex.....

Now let me tell you what I didnt do

I didnt burn down peoples houses
I didnt break into peoples houses and steal stuff
I didnt shoot guns at traffic
And I didnt kill any animal, never mind someones pet.....

Yes you are right Teenagers are impulsive.....However these kids are deranged

If those criminals were tried as juveniles what sentence would they get? I'm sure not enough!
That poor family. RIP furbabies!
post #13 of 26
You people may think I'm wrong but I never think it's a good idea to put kids under the age of 18 in adult jail. Yes they may be old enough to "know better" but trust me that is NOT how their minds work.
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by eburgess
You people may think I'm wrong but I never think it's a good idea to put kids under the age of 18 in adult jail. Yes they may be old enough to "know better" but trust me that is NOT how their minds work.
Good point, but I wonder how safe it is to put them in a Youth Facility among younger, less violent kids, such as those who sold some pot, or did repeated lifing, etc. Maybe there needs to be a mid-level facility, for violent youth offenders, such as those who rape little girls, torture animals and maim & kill for gang-related issues. It does seem too much to put them into the adult population. Tough, tough issue
post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by eburgess
You people may think I'm wrong but I never think it's a good idea to put kids under the age of 18 in adult jail. Yes they may be old enough to "know better" but trust me that is NOT how their minds work.
Sorry I'm gonna call malarky on this one. The only reason that kids get away with so much now is that people are will to let them. By the age of sixteen they know what they did was wrong and they knew it when they were doing it. And if they're minds don't work that way it's because their minds haven't been trained to think that way. Ie, they got away with a lot of other stuff because nothing was ever their fault.

And trust me there isn't much difference between the way a 16 year old thinks and the way an 18 year old thinks. Pretty much they are just going to try and get away with as much as they can. At 18 though we hold the responsible for their decisions. Isn't it strange that the kids that aways had to be gotten up out of bed for highschool and hounded to do their homework suddenly are able to do both those things when they go away to college. It's not because they couldn't do it when they were 16, it's because they didn't have to be responsible when they were 16.

As far as jail goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime. That's the way it is. And what these kids did was beyong mere rebelion they went out looking to hurt something. Quite frankly if their killing animals at this age, it's only a short matter of time before they start killing people. If we had other options for punishment of crime, I would be all for that though too.

Maybe it's just me but I'm tired of everything being someone elses fault. Or worse yet, excusing criminals because they didn't know any better or just couldn't control themselves. What was jail was intended for? It's a deterent and a holding facility for those who can't control themselves.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by eburgess
You people may think I'm wrong but I never think it's a good idea to put kids under the age of 18 in adult jail. Yes they may be old enough to "know better" but trust me that is NOT how their minds work.

I have the distinct feeling of it was your house that was burnt down, you possessions that were stolen, you car that was shot at, and you kits and pups were killed you would feel differently
post #17 of 26
People don't give kids enough credit at any age. They really are smarter than they are given credit for. And like Traci said - at 16 they darn well do know that what they were doing was wrong, and illegal! And if they can understand illegal, they can understand what the consequences could be. How many of you remember conversations at around 15, 16, 17 years old that had something to do with idea that at 18 all of a sudden you are responsible for your actions, so if you're going to do something illegal do it before 18.
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by stormy
I'm glad they are being tried as adults as well.

These were horrible crimes, not childish pranks and the punishment should be fitting.
very true
post #19 of 26
If they are not tried as adults, then all they will get is probation, which would be letting them off the hook completely. That would be WRONG.
post #20 of 26
Graphic True story alert..........

About 5 years ago, two juniors in my High school were going out...Robert and Crystal (*I wont list last names)...Anyhoo, eventually Crystal broke up w/ Robert and Robert begain going out w/ a girl named Kristy....Kristy it wicked evil and manipulative..I met her a few times and would never keep her company if ya paid me billions of dollars....Freaks me out.....

Well anyways, being the manipulative @#$% that kristy was...she did not like the fact that Robert still had "feelings" for crystal...Mind you Crystal had completly moved on w/ her life....Shes a sweet girl...I have hung ot w/ her several times.....

Anyhoo Kristy convinced Robert to "Eliminate" the compitition.......

He brought her to Gallows Hill (the hill where the witches were supposidly hung). My Parents house which is on a hill over looks Gallows Hill.......

So crystal and robert are at Gallows Hill talking about their "Future" as a possible couple, when..........

Robert Grabs her by the hair, rams her head to the ground, Pulls out a knife, and slits her throat.............

He then Stood onher cheast...so as to speed up the the whole Bleeding to death.......Crystal...bless her heart.....Somehow got up the courage to "play dead"....and Robert eventually left.......

Crystal....once Robert left....Crawled up on hands and knees up the 150ft hill, and ended up crawling her way up to my parents neigbors house...Bleeding and half dead......

Luckily Crystal is alive...though premenantly scarred....both physically and mentally.....

Robert who had no prior record was scentenced to juvie for 5 years (till he turned 21)...and to crystals dismay was parolled 2 years ago for good behavior............

Kristy..even though Robert along w/ friends of his testified that it was Kristys idea recieved no jail time or even probation........

So poor Crystal who still lives in Salem (along w/ the other 2) Must live her days carrying a vivid red scar across her neck....and carry the fear that at any moment she could run into Robert or Kristy......

Now they were all 16 at the time....can you seriously tell me this situation was fair...If it werent for Crystals quick thinking, and ability to play dead....she would in fact be dead....Yet these two animals are able to walk free...And possibly do something psychotic like this again.............

The punnishment...In my opinion....MUST fit the crime.....for the safety of everyone........Crystal was the victimin this story....and she is still being punnished
post #21 of 26
I have a hard time with kids being charged as adults in crimes. I do, however, think that the age that seperates children from adults in regards to criminal activity should be 16. We trust kids at the age of 16 to operate a motor vehicle.... How can we feel that they are mature enough to do that, but not mature enough to understand the consequences of their actions?
post #22 of 26
That's a good point, Squirtle.

I am glad they're being treated as adults because they committed an adult crime. It's not like they made a mistake, or committed a crime that is typical of wild teenagers testing their boundaries and rebelling.

The only thing I have a problem with is the rules being bent. If they know there are circumstances in which minors should be tried as adults, they should change the law to include them. People need to know what the consequences of their actions will REALLY be. Those kids were probably used to getting away with whatever they wanted, and even though their actions were horrendous, they probably assumed that if caught, they didn't face more than a couple years in kid jail. It's possible that if they had known they faced much more time, in a much worse place, they would have given it a little more thought.

It's sad that they were raised like that, too.
post #23 of 26
Possible if they thought they would get charged as adults they would have given it a second thought...but....

At 16 there was no doubt in my mind that robbing someone's home was wrong, no matter if I got in trouble or not. Killing someone's pets is wrong, no matter what the punishment. And burning someone's home down is destroying their lives, and it's just plain wrong. I think that most of us operate the way we do on morals, and knowing that some things are just wrong no matter if you get caught and punished or not. These teens obviously didn't have that framework. Whether that's based on how they were raised or something just seriously wrong with them, I have no idea and I won't presume to say. But these kids have very little morals, and I have no doubt that their crimes would have escalated to get the thrill again. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if this isn't their first foray into criminal activity...
post #24 of 26
IMO, if they know what they did was wrong, then they should be tried as an adult.. but thats my opinion.
post #25 of 26
Good. I hope they rot.
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by squirtle
I have a hard time with kids being charged as adults in crimes. I do, however, think that the age that seperates children from adults in regards to criminal activity should be 16. We trust kids at the age of 16 to operate a motor vehicle.... How can we feel that they are mature enough to do that, but not mature enough to understand the consequences of their actions?
I couldn't agree more!
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