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post #31 of 59
Ciersey - when you squirt him (even just with water) when he's just sitting down, he has NO idea why you're doing it! He just doesn't. He's not a 4 yr old child, but a little wild animal with NO conception of your 'needs', habits, rules, etc. He absolutely will not fathom what you're doing and all you're doing is setting yourself up for more trouble. If you can't accept him til he's older, maybe someone else will.
post #32 of 59
This is so sad, poor little Maynard. It sounds like he is a wonderful curious Little Friend who has great spirit. It will be a terrible shame to break this spirit because this is what sets him aside from the others. As you may have observed from this thread, many of us here would love to have a Maynard. From what you have written, it appears that you have the wrong type of Cat, he is still young and maybe you should consider finding him another home. Sorry if this sounds harsh but in our house, the Cats come first.
post #33 of 59
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Originally Posted by James R
This is so sad, poor little Maynard. It sounds like he is a wonderful curious Little Friend who has great spirit. It will be a terrible shame to break this spirit because this is what sets him aside from the others. As you may have observed from this thread, many of us here would love to have a Maynard. From what you have written, it appears that you have the wrong type of Cat, he is still young and maybe you should consider finding him another home. Sorry if this sounds harsh but in our house, the Cats come first.
post #34 of 59
While your vet knows Maynard the best, I have to disagree that 6 pounds is a good weight. Male cats, unless very, very tiny in build, should weight more than that as adults. He is a growing boy who plays hard and burns a lot of calories. There is no reason to ration his food due to weight concerns. Why not try giving him his canned food twice per day by splitting a 6 ounce can - give him half at breakfast and half when you sit down to eat dinner. Of course, leave his dry out at all times so he can graze as he chooses. He may be trying to tell you he is hungry when he jumps onto your table as you eat.
post #35 of 59
They sell this sticky stuff at pet stores that you can put down on things you don't want your cat to jump on. You can also get packing tape and double it over so the sticky is out. Put it where you don't want your cat to jump. It should deter him from the spot since they don't like sticky stuff on their paws.

You might also try putting some pebbles in an empty (& rinsed/dried) aluminum soda can. Duct tape over the opening. When you see him somewhere he's not supposed to be, say "NO" and shake the can. The sound should startle him enough to make him jump down.

Stephanie
post #36 of 59
I have a male kitten at the same age (he just hit the 4-month-mark this weekend), and I think I can understand a bit where you are coming from. They are naughty at that age, aren't they ? I never had a kitten before, and as much as I was driven to exhaustion this weekend, lifting him off and out of places saying "no, the dustbin is not a good hiding place", he is still the sweetest cat ever. I could never hit him or deliberatly scare him with a water bottle. I don't even like to clap to tell him off, especially as we use clapping to tell him it's play-time. I just lift him off (or out) and tell him "no". It does work after a while. Allthough this weekend he decided that "no" is something to be completley ignored. I guess it's a phase he will grow out of. All Teenagers rebel and no longer understand that word.

Some of the things you have written though, do bother me. A cat isn't a dog, and they will jump on the furniture (allthough they may learn not to do it while you are around). They can't be trained like a dog (it takes much more patience and positive encouragement). They do what they want, they just train you to think it's what you wanted them to do in the first place

What's the problem with him watching you when you eat ? If he is sitting on the table while he does that, I can understand, but you can teach him not to jump on the table while you are eating? If he sits on the floor, just ignore him (yes the scars on your lower legs will eventually heal...) ? Or just send him out the room before you start eating, instead of making it stressful and sending him out later because you don't like him watching? Cats at that age must be where the saying "curiosity killed the cat" comes from. They just love to watch what you do and need to be involved all the time. Getting in your way, and taking the socks back out the drawer, just after you put them all in....

I have had an exhausting weekend with my cat as well. I tried to do the big pre-xmas clean.... I gave up after 2 rooms, as the cat helping wasn't making it a very successful event
But he is also soooo funny. The kind of faces kitten can make and the energy they have and the stuff they do is really adorable. And even after a whole day of saying "no", the best thing is, when he curls up next to me in bed and purrs so loud, that he keeps me awake for another half hour !

Give it another month, and really think hard what you want from a pet. A cat might just not be ideal, if you need obedience and a quiet life, at least not until he is much older. In the meantime, try to chill out. What is bothering you so much about him jumping on the table (while you are not eating) ? Cats don't carry much more germs than humans, and you can always clean the table before you lay it ? Once you stop trying to keep him off it, he probably wont bother jumping on it anymore anyway. At the moment he thinks it's a game, and cats (just like children) just like to do the stuff they aren't allowed to do. I have noticed my cat doesn't like tablecloths. That's another way to keep them off (but don't be annoyed if he keeps pulling it down for a couple of days... it takes a while for them to realize that it's slippery, and not an aid to pull himself up).
Try and put some of the energy wasted on scaring him into playing with him. It's more fun and he will be too exhausted to be naughty. It worked wonders for me this weekend. I chased him through the whole house for 30 mins, and he was sleeping long enough after that, so I could clean the kitchen floor. (playing with the cat was much more fun, but he had enough )

so, put the water bottle away, get the camomile tea out and relax. Be patient, make sure you are consistent (don't allow him to do something until he annoys you, he is either allowed to do it or not), and just think, he will grow out of it - eventually. One day, when he is old and lazy, you will look back and think "can you remember when he used to drive us nuts doing xxx ?"

Have fun
post #37 of 59
You have had many great posts. I think I may understand what you are going through. I have mostly had female cats, and never had them act crazy or unruly. Then I got Garfield.

When he was about 4 months old it was as if he controlled the household. He got in the trash, he took food off people's plate at every opportunity. He would drink out of cups left sitting on the table. We started using cups with lids, he would knock them over to see if it was something good.

I tried squirting water at him, he would just start bathing himself, as if it didn't annoy him at all. We got a little thing that would beep if he jumped on the counter-he stuck his nose up to the end of it, trying to figure out where the beeping was coming from. I put double sticky tape near a plant, he (or another kitty) knocked the plant over, so the tape was covered with dirt, and kept eating the plant.

It was like living with a hyperactive child. He was obviously not trying to be bad, just grabbing a meal, or getting something tasty or fun out of the trash. And the kids left their plates on the table, so he WAS taught to jump on the table to eat.

I finally realized that just as a momma cat or alpha cat lets the lower rung cats know their limits, I had to let Garfield know my limits. He really did not understand that no meant no.

I learned through trial and error that holding my hand up, palm facing him, and firmly saying "No" helped. Not as if I would hit him, but just trying to think alpha-I will convince you. If he was up and I wanted him down, I would hold up my hand and say "no". If he got down, I said "Good boy" and gave him pets. If he did not get down, I firmly picked him up and set him down. Often I had to take him down from the same place multiple times. Often immediately after I took him down the first time!

What helped most was 2 things-one was my consistency. Second was Garfield growing up. Young energetic male cats, while sweet and fun, are just too much sometimes!

As for not wanting him to look at you, I do not like dogs looking at me when I eat. I feel like they are begging, and it is cruel to have them sit there watching me eat, expecting a treat when I do not intend to share. All my dogs are taught to understand "go lay down", and will back off when I eat. And I do not feed scraps from the table to a dog. They always get scraps, if there are any to share, well after the people meal is over.

Cats are very different. They watch you eat, but although they like treats, I do not think they are begging. If you watch multiple cats eat, often the lower rank cat does watch the alpha cat, until it is done eating. So I think with cats, it is just a different behavior. Understanding this may make it bug you less. But I would suggest never feeding scraps from the table to Maynard, because it is really training him to WATCH, and you don't like that.

Finally, Garfield is unusually persistant in his behaviors. So much more so than any cat I have known. But he is really quite a joy to have around, and has brought so much love into my home. It sounds like Maynard is much the same. And while I adore Garfield, I could not stand another Garfield! Two would be just too (two?) much!
post #38 of 59
Thread Starter 
Well beckiboo it seems like you and kittygonewild are the only two people that really understand where I'm coming from. I am try and am going to continue try different things with him. I'm going to get him a little remote control toy and a bunch of others that hang down for him to play with. I was thinking of buying him a big cage for our sleep time but I'm going to see what happens for now and after he gets fixed. All in all he's a good cat and I love him very and I do not intent to give him up or give up on him. He's just a HUGE handful but very loveable, when he wants to be. Again, Thank you.
post #39 of 59
I think the bottom line is that all cats are different. You said your previous cats NEVER did this kind of behavior but they are like children. Some peoples kids act one way and some act completely different, even in the same family.

You could have a lot of fun building thinks for him to climb and play on. I saw a commercial one time with platforms and ramps and tunnels throughout the entire living room. This is a bit extreme but you could always get a few slabs of wood and cover them with carpet and attach them to the walls like a bookshelf and put a longer piece in between and make fun things for him to play on.

For easier things, I would just wait it out. Many kittens are like this. He will grow out of it. You might want to neuter him sooner too, that seemed to mellow out some of my cats because they don't have all the crazy male hormones. I am also afraid he may start spraying too if you wait all the way til 6 months to neuter him. He is sexually maturing right now and he may start to spray. If you don't enjoy him jumping on counters and watching you eat, I am wondering how you will handle him spraying pee all over your house. He could start this early like 4 months. He CAN be neutered now. I do my cats at 8-12 weeks old just to avoid any of the unwanted behavior.

Oh and if you want a clicker, Pet Supplies Plus should have some. If you can't find one, I can send you one. Just send me a PM and tell me ya want one.
post #40 of 59
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Originally Posted by cersiey
I'm going to get him a little remote control toy and a bunch of others that hang down for him to play with.
That is a cool idea! I understand where you are coming from. I had 6 kittens in my spare room a year ago. The room was empty besides a ton of toys and litter and food and they still DESTROYED the room. Kittens are a handful, you are lucky to have had kittens previously who were calm. Sometimes, you get a mellow kitten...thats cool.
post #41 of 59
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jen
Oh and if you want a clicker, Pet Supplies Plus should have some. If you can't find one, I can send you one. Just send me a PM and tell me ya want one.
I feel I do need a clicker and I am unable to locate one in local pet stores I will sure let you know. Thank you for being so kind and helpful.
post #42 of 59
you may also wannna try lemon peel, i've read that cat's usulaly don't like the smell of lemon. Also it avoid the trouble that the cat will go after the table and off limit zone when you r not around to say "no" or use the clicker.
i actually use slices of lemon and it works fine for my Nana.

She's a eight month old and very curious. actually i pick her up and hold her in my arms then i walk around the house, let her smell the table and kitchen counter, my bedroom...etc. thoses area she's interested in but not allow to go.
i do that everyday for the first two weeks, so she learns that she's only allowed to check out those area when i hold her in my arms. and if she intends to climb up the table on her own i roll up a magazine and do a big "bang" sound. ..now she wont' go to those areas that she's not suppose to go.

i'm not sure if that would help in ur case, but i hope things to could out for you soon!
post #43 of 59
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Originally Posted by hissy
You can hiss at them too, that language they do understand.
And then after we hiss at them, how do we make up? Lick their cute kitty faces? But seriously, how do you say, in cat, I love you?
post #44 of 59
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Originally Posted by furbum
And then after we hiss at them, how do we make up? Lick their cute kitty faces? But seriously, how do you say, in cat, I love you?

Actually cats are very good at understanding intonations.....

You say "I love you"....and though the cat can not understand english...he can feel that you love him, just by your intonation and body language...

At least thats what animal scientists think.....I believe it too
post #45 of 59
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Originally Posted by Nebula11
Actually cats are very good at understanding intonations.....

You say "I love you"....and though the cat can not understand english...he can feel that you love him, just by your intonation and body language...

At least thats what animal scientists think.....I believe it too
heh...I "head-butt" my cat to say I love you, He always did that to me scince the day we got him, and now I do it too, and we sit there with our heads against each others for like a minute. lol...
post #46 of 59
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Originally Posted by furbum
And then after we hiss at them, how do we make up? Lick their cute kitty faces? But seriously, how do you say, in cat, I love you?
You do a long wink with one eye while they are looking right at you...
post #47 of 59
You all are so cute! I'm sure your kitties all love you

I had a thought. When we're eating and the kitties are being bad about getting on the table, we break out this:



We fill it with all their toys that can fit in the holes and it never fails to keep them occupied, and we get a dinner show to boot!
post #48 of 59
Sorry to hijack the thread but that is a great toy - where did you get it?

Cersiey, I hope you sort out all the issues - it sounds as if you really want to, and that is half the battle! You have a cute cat with a great personality and it is obvious you love him. Good luck.
post #49 of 59
Oops, I forgot to mention that the picture is a link to the product, here:

http://www.esmartcat.com/shopping/peek-a-prize.php
post #50 of 59
If the cat watching you while you eat bugs you, just put him in another room...the room that has his litter box. We normally eat at the table so the kittens run loose,but if we decide to watch a movie and put trays on the floor, we just quickly cuddle the kittens and put them in the bathroom where their litterbox is and close the door till we are done. They don't mind at all,but then they have each other. I think they actually get into less trouble since there are two of them,they don't get as bored as easily.
We let our cats up on the furniture so that is one battle I don't have to fight. We were spraying them when they'd bug our guinea pigs in the cage but it did not deter them one iota. So......we changed the cage,made it bigger and put a gate around it that has really thin bars so they can not possibly get to them. They look at them now and just switch their little tails but can't do anything. The gp doesn't seem upset by them,she just looks back.
Good Luck.
P.S. Mine are nearing four months now and (knock on wood)have not jumped onto a table or a counter yet.YIPEEE
post #51 of 59
Sophie tries to pull the fork away from me sometimes but it never bothers me, infact it's little antics like that that make me love them more.

Enjoy it because they don't stay kittens for long
post #52 of 59
I've been away from the computer for a few days, and just now found this thread. Others have already said most of what I would have said, and most of them have used far more restraint and diplomacy than I could have, so it's a good thing for all of us that I wasn't first in line to respond.

Let me just make one comment about something you wrote. You said your kitten is not afraid of you -- that even after you squirt him, he jumps up on your lap.

Doesn't that make you feel awful? Don't you see what a sweet little soul this is, and how much he wants your affection, if he's willing to brave your abuse to get it?

You don't actually have a problem to begin with -- but if you insist on believing that you do, please handle the problem lovingly, with positive methods... not by showing unkindness to this utterly innocent creature.
post #53 of 59
Holy cow, I just read this thread! Personally I'm happy if kitty doesn't jump on the table when I eat. The only places my cat's aren't allowed is the stove b/c of safety and on the table when we are eating- and I don't even really care about that- my husband doesn't like it and I have a feeling that any guests would not be happy! It sounds like you think you can train this kitty like a dog, and you really can't. I have two cats that are/were wild like yours! I have a 2 year old who just now jumped all the way to the top of a closet shelf! No way would I spray the cat with vinegar. I think the water spray thing is only good if you surpise the cat wiht it, and you limit it to certain situations- ie to get them off the stove or counter.. I can understand why most people wouldn't let them on the counter. We used to spray Zakk b/c he liked to scratch my bed posts- it didn't take him long to learn, but I think that hissy has a point about not spraying cats with water- but i have seen it advised in soo many pet books- not that you should believe everything you read. I also think a firm no or a hand clap is sufficient in many situations, or just pusing the cat onto the ground. I only hiss at my cats if they are hurting me. I'm sure your cat will calm down with age, but you also need to adjust a bit yourself.
post #54 of 59
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Originally Posted by cersiey
My cat Maynard is a 4 month old male cat. He is only allowed to get onto our couch and nothing more although he is constantly jumping onto all of our tables and dinningroom chairs as well as the kitchen stove, which he isn't suppose to do. And he's like a dog, when we eat he sits watching us, so we now lock him in a room or in his kaboodle. To try and stop him from doing this we have tried spraying him with water, spraying him with half vinegar and water, and spanking him and nothing works....and we no longer spank him. The scent of vinegar does not faze him abit. And as more time goes by the worse he gets. He's going to be getting fixed in 2 months and we're hopeing he'll get better at things, if not we're going to buy him a giant cage and lock him in it during our nights. I really don't want to do that but if nothing more works then there is nothing more I can do. Does anyone have any advice for me, that's permanent. As in after awhile I will not longer have to show him a spray bottle or yell at him to stop him. Please help!
Spanking won't work. That's just, at the very least, going to make your kitten live in fear of you.

Try feeding him when you eat.

I would look up the other methods this group has suggested and try them before you discount them. Your kitten sounds pretty normal...not bad.

You might also want to go to the library and look up some books on cat behavior. They have a lot of good information as well.
post #55 of 59
I know I'm a little late on this, but if anyone is still looking for a clicker, Petsmart sells them in small bowls by the registers.

HTH!
post #56 of 59
Just wondering about the clicker - Do you just use it to make a noise the cats don't like? Does it work for a lot of people here? I'd love to stop my babies from trying to eat food off of my plate without yelling "No!" - I hate them thinking I'm mad!
post #57 of 59
First, your kitty isn't bad. He is just doing behavior you don't like.

Second, I feed my boys canned food if they persist on watching us while we eat. That way they get something they really want and leave us alone.

Third, why not get him a cat tree? That way he has something that is his he CAN climb and be up high like he wants to be. Then he should stay off the table and other things you don't want him on.
post #58 of 59
I think you are expecting way too much from a tiny kitten. He is not a dog, no matter how much you wish he was. These people have given you good advice.
post #59 of 59
Thanks to all of those who offered their counsel here, but it looks like we are beating a subject to death without the OP coming back to the thread, so the thread is now closed.
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