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post #31 of 48
Not sure why vets are recommending cats to stay on c/d forever when the packaging states otherwise, unless it is just in the UK. I did think the ingredients in c/d were rather poor, but most vets can order most of the premium brands - some cats seem to really like the Royal Canin - but my foster preferred prescription dry to wet.
post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by laureen227
good for you, Jupiter!
thanks! for some reason my friends and famiyl werent so enthusiastic!

i knew you guys would understand!
post #33 of 48
I am not sure if Hills in the UK is different, but as far as I know c/d is a maintenance diet and can be fed indefinitely. S/d, and Dissolution however are formulated to dissolve crystals and should only be fed short term. They should also never be fed to cats that do not have lower urinary tract disease.

I am pretty sure that Medi cal does not use by-products. In fact I just checked all of my cat food bags (Royal Canin and Medi Cal) and I couldn't find any by-products listed on any of them (I am not sure about the wet food- My cans are outside). Prescription diets are made with very high quality ingredients. The vet was right in saying that by-products are not all bad. They include blood and organ meats that animals would normally eat in the wild and that have high nutritional value. That said, not all by-products are created equally, and pet food labelling can be very confusing and misleading. The by-products in a bag of Hills food are not going to be of the same quality as the by-products in a bag of Alley Cat, or Special Kitty.

Prescription diets are formulated with specific illnesses in mind. A lot of research goes into their making and they are submitted to a lot of testing and quality control. One batch of Preventive is guaranteed to be exactly the same as the next. This quality control is extremely important for sick pets, especially when dealing with Feline Lower Urinary Tract Disease. Commercial pet foods are not subjected to the same standards of quality control. One batch of food is not guaranteed to be the same as the next. Does your pet care?- probably not. Does his urinary tract care?- yes, if he has FLUTD.

That does not mean that premium foods like Wellness and Innova... are not good foods. I am sure they are. If your pet does well on it- feed it! But, some pets (like certain cats with FLUTD) require the consistency and special formulation of prescription diets. As a general rule, cheap foods should be avoided. Feeding a premium food from the start will keep most common cat illnesses at bay.

(edited to remove brand names)
post #34 of 48
So if I'm feeding my cat Complete Care Nutro and he only had crystals once, then he's fine? He actually seems to be doing better on this food because he's playing more and is sleeker. Sorry for the re-reasking, I just want to confirm what you are saying. And thank you for the expanation.
post #35 of 48
If your cat got crystals while eating Nutro, then he may very well develop crystals again. He might just be one of those cats that needs a prescription diet for the rest of his life.
If he got crystals while eating a cheaper food, then you switched him and he has been fine for a long time, then you might be safe. You may even want to have your vet do a urinalysis while he is healthy and on the Nutro. If he doesn't have any crystals and his pH is good then no need for a prescription diet!
post #36 of 48
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Originally Posted by Dr. Doolittle
If your cat got crystals while eating Nutro, then he may very well develop crystals again. He might just be one of those cats that needs a prescription diet for the rest of his life.
If he got crystals while eating a cheaper food, then you switched him and he has been fine for a long time, then you might be safe. You may even want to have your vet do a urinalysis while he is healthy and on the Nutro. If he doesn't have any crystals and his pH is good then no need for a prescription diet!
I adopted Nana from the Shelter on Nov 5th, and I gave her Science Diet Kitten Dry. I've no idea what she's been eating at the shelter, but i suspect it's a cheaper food, becuz the free sample I got from the shelter is one of the cheap brand. she's 7 months old when i adopted her. She has hairball symptons after 5 days she arrived. making retching and coughing sound like 5-6 times a day, but did not throw up. 2 weeks after i adopted her I learned about the premium brands and started her on Wellness canned and eagle pack dry. And once i switch her food for 1 week, her hairball symptons disappear, poo and pee not as stinky as before, pooing seems a lot easier for her too, becuz i found piece of hairband, my fallen hair, feather from toys that she ate up , got pass thru and come out with her solid waste.
2 weeks after i switch her food, i bring her in for booster for vacination, and i mentioned to the vet that she's going peeing 3-5 times a day, he said it was a bit exccessive, so take some urine sample and send to the lab. (he took the sample by pressing her tummy and make her urinate in a stainless steel container). Result came back stating she has Triple Phosphate Crystal in her Urine, but she DOES NOT have any infection. he suggest to put her on prescription diet FOREVER. (hills prescription diet c/d OR Medi Cal Preventive OR Royal Canin Urinary s/o)

I know this is a bit confusing, here's the timeline of what happened

Nov 5 - adopted nana from shelter
week 1 - feed sample diet from shelter mix with science diet dry
week 2 - feed science diet dry, hairball symptons, retching and coughing 5-6 times a day, did not throw up
week 3 - science diet mix with eagle pack dry, wellness canned.
week 4 - eagle pack dry, wellness canned. dramatic change in appearance, coat shinnier and softer, look healtheir, less stinky poo, no more hairball symptons.
week 5 - eagle pack dry, wellness canned. Vet found triple phosphate crystal in urine, NO infection, vet recommend to go on prescription diet FOREVER.
week 6 - feed medi cal preventive can.
week 7 - medi cal preventive. stinky poo, less shinny coat.

now should i give her wellness instead of prescription diet, and have my vet do a urinalysis? becuz i suspect she got cheaper food while in shelter and i wanna see if her crystal is gonna diappear while on Wellness



And about the igredients on prescription diets, this is what it says on the label of my cans

Medi Cal Preventive
the first 3 ingredients listed on there is Water, Beef, Chicken by-product

first 3 on Royal Canin Urinary s/o
water, meat by-product, chicken by-product

Hill's prescription c/d
pork by-product, water, pork liver


Now when i go on Medi cal's website,
it says they use beef, chicken, salmon, does not mentioned about using by-product. And you guys says royal canin / medi cal doesn't use by-product either. Even the owner of the pet store i frequent was surprised to hear that royal canin has by-product in their cans too, so i really wonder why those ones i got has by-product...maybe the one i got here from toronto is different from the ones ppl get elsewhere in the world??


and thanks dr doolittle very very much for the explanation and help!
post #37 of 48
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Originally Posted by Dr. Doolittle
If your cat got crystals while eating Nutro, then he may very well develop crystals again. He might just be one of those cats that needs a prescription diet for the rest of his life.
If he got crystals while eating a cheaper food, then you switched him and he has been fine for a long time, then you might be safe. You may even want to have your vet do a urinalysis while he is healthy and on the Nutro. If he doesn't have any crystals and his pH is good then no need for a prescription diet!
... the Urinary care in Nutro( only the max is certified) is only for one type of crystals not the other type... that may play a role too
post #38 of 48
I am not Dr Doolittle but I may have some light to shed..

I know Royal canins wet food has some by products in the wet Rx ( in the US) ... I would call the company it may be that these are organ meats and in there for taste and digestability...

Rx food ingrediants may not be appealing but they are formulated for a specific reason/illness not for generally healthy animals whose guardians can be picky about what goes in
post #39 of 48
Shenandoah and Humble went to the vet for something else and it turns out they have crystals! I am scared! I took them in for something else: loose bowels. The xray determined that they had the crystals. Vet is giving antibiotics and is keeping them there. I miss them. I live alone but for my angels. PLEASE PRAY IT IS OK!
post #40 of 48
Thread Starter 
sending vibes for your babies.

Jupiter seems to be doing fine now, he's doing big pees in the litter box and no obvious signs of pain.

the only thing is he still licks his bits after he goes. i cant remember if he did that before though? he's not excessivly licking, so maybe he's just cleaning up after he's pee?
post #41 of 48
I am praying for Jupiter, too.

He could be cleaning up after himself, like you said.

My cats had NO signs of pain. I miss them though and will be happy when tomorrow afternoon is here....really, in the morning, when I can call and maybe find out more.

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Originally Posted by maverick_kitten
sending vibes for your babies.

Jupiter seems to be doing fine now, he's doing big pees in the litter box and no obvious signs of pain.

the only thing is he still licks his bits after he goes. i cant remember if he did that before though? he's not excessivly licking, so maybe he's just cleaning up after he's pee?
post #42 of 48
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any news on your cats?
post #43 of 48
how's jupiter doing now???

Just want to do an update, Nana's crystal is gone!!!

I adopted her on Nov 7th and put her on science diet.
3 weeks later i switch her on Wellness Cans and Eagle Pack
Dec 10th the vet discovered crystals in her urine, but she doesn't not have any infection and is healthy at the moment, but the vet still suggest to put her on prescription diet.

I insisnt on putting her on Wellness Cans (and eagle pack dry once in a while) and put out extra water dish to encourage water intake
One month later on Jan 16th she had another urineanalysis, her crystal is gone!!!!

I'm sooo happy to get the news from the vet !!!
post #44 of 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick_kitten
sending vibes for your babies.

Jupiter seems to be doing fine now, he's doing big pees in the litter box and no obvious signs of pain.

the only thing is he still licks his bits after he goes. i cant remember if he did that before though? he's not excessivly licking, so maybe he's just cleaning up after he's pee?
I noticed Prego and Polly always "clean up" after going potty.
post #45 of 48
we had a cat (casper) thay we recently had to have put to sleep do to anti freeze poisoning, But last year he developed crystals, they actualy had to remove them from his bladder,he almost died, but he was put on hills c/d and he had to stay on that for the rest of his life the vet said, he was doing very well on the c/d too, if you stay on the perscription diet, and give caned food too, because it has water in it, as well as make sure he gets plenty of water, your kitty should do fine, our vet said getting water into them is the key, because the more concentrate the urine is the more chance of crystals. good luck,
post #46 of 48
My Oliver hated the c/d food he was on for his Interstitial Cystitis...he never did like it and I had to force feed him it until the end. I wish they would have made it more yummy so he didnt have to go through that experience.
post #47 of 48
Thread Starter 
Jupiter loves his food!

I think he's better now as he seems to be peeing fine.

I think it was caused by the bad weather and the fact that he prefers to pee in bushes than in the litter tray.

now its warmer he goes outside more and he isnt so inclined to hold it in so he can sleep for a few more mins by the radiator!
post #48 of 48
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Originally Posted by maverick_kitten
i took a sample of jupiter's urine in for testing yesterday and it turns out he has crystals in his bladder.

he's only 8 months old

the vet says this is common in over weight male, neutered cats but Jupiter is big, not overweight, and if he is overweight its really not by much. you can still feel his spine when you stroke him and he doesnt have a belly.

has anyone elses cat had crystals? and were they alright?
On and off for the last few years my Jasmine repeatedly had crystals and stones in her bladder. I was told it is more common in males than females, but my vet also said some cats are just more prone to them, period. She was put on the Hills Prescription S/D diet from the start to break them down and pass them(this was noticeable in her urine -- gritty). She also actually had surgery because one larger stone had gotten out of her bladder, but could not completely pas. Yes, she did recover from them, but for some reason she tended to keep making more, even on the prescription food.
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