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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Un-freaking-believable!!!

Saddam Lashes Out
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051128/...q_saddam_trial

Here's the letter I sure would love to send to Saddam.

To the EX Dictator of Iraq,

I have read how you are complaining about the "horrible" treatment you received by American soldiers when you were captured after hiding in a dark, musty hole. I understand that you are complaining about your trial too.

Saddam you should be thanking the stars or whatever deity you pray too, that it was an AMERICAN soldier who pulled you out of that hole. The terror you might have felt or experienced is nothing like you did to your people and to other people. The torture and death you dictated out to your very own innocent people is beyond comprehending.

You should be thanking that lucky star or deity that it was an AMERICAN soldier who pulled you from that hole instead of one of your own Iraqi people or Shiite people who you tortured. You'd be dead by now and food for the wild dogs and insects.

You should be thanking that lucky star or deity that it was an AMERICAN soldier who pulled you from that hole instead of ME. You'd learn first hand new meaning for torture and terror under my own hands. If it had been me you would've never made it to trial. I would've made sure you felt just a PIECE of what you did to all those people you murdered over the years.

Signed - An AMERICAN Woman

(((NO. This post is NOT about the pro/con of war! This is about my own anger at how Saddam murdered millions while being the leader of Iraq.))
post #2 of 28
It would be appropriate for the US to give Saddam over to the Shiites & the Kurds - maybe he would appreciate their justice instead. I saw a program on FSTV entitled "To Punish or To Cure", and it showed the Muslim justice system in action, including severing of hands, stoning men & women to death, and shooting women in the back of the head. Yes, Saddam, you need your own brand of justice!!!
post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 
BIG SMILE

The Shiites sad similar to what you say..they article states that Saddam would've already been convicted and executed. He doesn't deserve to BREATHE imo.
post #4 of 28
This guy is crazy
post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by eburgess
This guy is crazy
He is indeed (he still thinks he's president of Iraq), which raises the question, why is he on trial if he is mad? Surely he should just be put in an asylum, then the money that's been spent on this trial could have been spent on restructuring Iraq, and those who have lost their lives as a direct result of being involved with the trial, would still be alive .... maybe.

I agree, if he had received the same treatment as he dished out, he would really have something to complain about.
post #6 of 28
I heard an article yesterday on the news - Saddam complained to the judge about things - the judge said he would talk to the soldiers about it. Then Saddam demanded that the judge order them to do things (give him a pen etc) and the (Iraqi) judge basically told him to stop waisting the courts time.

It tickled me and made me a bit happy - an Iraqi judge is free to tell Saddam to basically sit down and shut up.
post #7 of 28
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Originally Posted by fluffysimba
BIG SMILE

The Shiites sad similar to what you say..they article states that Saddam would've already been convicted and executed. He doesn't deserve to BREATHE imo.
post #8 of 28
My mama always told me, "Two wrongs don't make a right"

Sadaam had people tortured, shall we REALLY torture him? I don't think so.
We need to be a role model to the world, especially after the Abu Garib debacle, don't you think?

We are the civilized ones here aren't we?

Remember Nuremberg?
post #9 of 28
At least he's getting a trial. His victims didn't get one.
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by millyanddaisy
He is indeed (he still thinks he's president of Iraq), which raises the question, why is he on trial if he is mad?
I'm not a psychologist, but I think he is fit to stand trial. He acts very much like a sociopath, which loosely means that he knows what's he doing and what's going on; he believes his view of the world is the only relevant one. He hasn't lost touch with reality in the same way a schizophrenic might.

More of a personality disorder, if you ask me. It's right to give him a trail. I think public accountability is important, even if he'll never get the magnitude of what he did (or sufficiently care about it).

And also, I probably wouldn't be upset if the judge did tell him to sit down and shut up, and then MADE him do it.

These are the worst kind of criminals - the cold, calculating, unremorseful ones. They'll hurt others again and again, without blinking.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by ckblv
My mama always told me, "Two wrongs don't make a right"

Sadaam had people tortured, shall we REALLY torture him? I don't think so.
We need to be a role model to the world, especially after the Abu Garib debacle, don't you think?

We are the civilized ones here aren't we?

Remember Nuremberg?
You're right that two wrongs don't make a right, but I think that since Sadaam is being tried in an Iraqii Court, then whatever punishment he receives is for them to decide and the United States should not have to bear the responsibility for what that punishment may entail.
post #12 of 28
You are correct there.

But I do believe the new Iraqi govt. is to be commended for trying him and not just executing him.
I believe the trial should be a chance for all to see and remember the atrocities that he and his cohorts perpetrated.
I am glad that he is no longer in control.
post #13 of 28
I just hope it's not an endless trial, like Milosevic's. Who's murdering the defense attorneys - Shi'ites, because they don't believe the defendants deserve a defense, or Sunnis, because they want to disrupt the trial as much as possible?
post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ckblv
My mama always told me, "Two wrongs don't make a right"

Sadaam had people tortured, shall we REALLY torture him? I don't think so.
We need to be a role model to the world, especially after the Abu Garib debacle, don't you think?

We are the civilized ones here aren't we?

Remember Nuremberg?
YES he should be tortured. If it was ME, you better believe I'd torture him and make sure he died a nice long agonizing death.

Forget civilized - that's for our American soldiers to do. Yes. I remember Nuremberg. I remember how some of them didn't get to trial and were able to get away and live a normal life while their VICTIMS were buried in mass graves or suffering mental and physical issues b/c of their horrible treatment in the concentration camps.

Saddam should've been killed when the first Bush was still in office.....but we are just TOO civilized for such things.

I will leave the mercy to God...I don't have any for Saddam.
post #15 of 28
Wow.
IMO, that would make us just as bad as Sadaam.
post #16 of 28
Well if the cap fits because i fully agree with fluffysimba
post #17 of 28
I am impressed, ckblv.
I thought you would have been all eye-for-an-eye and fire and brimstone.

I am in agreement. I am not at the same level as a killer and wouldn't stoop to one.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
I am impressed, ckblv.
I thought you would have been all eye-for-an-eye and fire and brimstone.

I am in agreement. I am not at the same level as a killer and wouldn't stoop to one.
Tsk, tsk, you misjudge me there kiddo. ha ha.

I am shocked at the violent reactions here, I really am.
Who would ever have thought it at this site, I know I wouldn't.

I will say this. When he gets his due process and is convicted and sentenced, if he gets the death penalty, I sure hope he doesn't get hundreds of appeals. But I hope he gets life myself and is handed over to the Iraqis for imprisonment at their capable hands. Let him rot but I am not an advocate of torture during his life sentence or ever.
post #19 of 28
He's a sociopathic mass murderer and if there is an afterlife he will suffer equally to the suffering he has caused, but he's still human and has the same basic human rights as the rest of us, i.e. a fair trial and humane treatment free of cruel or unusual punishment. If we allow those basic rights to be violated we are no better than him.
I have no doubt that he will be convicted and either executed or put in jail for the rest of his natural life.



Under no circumstances should torture be considered acceptable, be it on an innocent or on someone low as Saddam Hussein. If we torture the torturer, we do nothing more than lower ourselves to that level.
I admit that there are certain extenuating circumstances in which torture may be a necessity (the "Dirty Harry" scenario), but it is never, ever the right (morally correct) thing to do.
We pride ourselves on being a just and civilized society...just, civilized peoples don't allow torture and don't allow even the worst of criminals to have their basic human rights violated.
As one of the most powerful nations on Earth, the US can set examples for developing societies. By our actions, do we want to show them that we are and humane, or do we want to show them something darker and uglier, a society that says torture and inhumane treatment is okay? What better way to set such an example than by advocating a fair trial for one of the worst criminals on the planet?
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by ckblv
My mama always told me, "Two wrongs don't make a right"

Sadaam had people tortured, shall we REALLY torture him? I don't think so.
We need to be a role model to the world, especially after the Abu Garib debacle, don't you think?

We are the civilized ones here aren't we?

Remember Nuremberg?
YES YES YES YES YES

I do not believe that whatever he did (which I agree was shocking and awful in the extreme) that America should stoop to his level and treat him the same way. America is constantly holding up the banner of truth, freedom and equality for all, but is sadly lacking when it comes to the reality of these grand sentiments.
post #21 of 28
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT on Saddam is all I can nicely say.
post #22 of 28
Like anyone is going to feel sorry for him after all he has done to people!
post #23 of 28
I don't feel sorry for him. I just believe governments should practice what they preach and stop spouting grand ideals if they won't live up to them themselves.
post #24 of 28
You are so right KitE, if you are going to talk the talk you better walk the walk. Most people don't
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva!
YES YES YES YES YES

I do not believe that whatever he did (which I agree was shocking and awful in the extreme) that America should stoop to his level and treat him the same way. America is constantly holding up the banner of truth, freedom and equality for all, but is sadly lacking when it comes to the reality of these grand sentiments.
Saddam isnt actually being tortured and mistreated. I don't believe lacking a pen or paper qualifies as torture
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by Kellyyfaber
Saddam isnt actually being tortured and mistreated. I don't believe lacking a pen or paper qualifies as torture
Depends on who you are!!!

No - I'm sure Saddam is doing and saying whatever he can to try to wriggle out of facing up to the charges laid before him.

However, I am not one to advocate the kind of behaviour that HE perpetrated for so many years.

Yes, let us show him we are better than that. How a civilised country behaves. It is by our actions that we are judged. If we allow a prisoner in custody to suffer abuses then we, by association, are no better than every other criminal we try to bring to justice. The end does NOT justify the means in this case. Motive is NOT a factor here. Is it ok to torture and abuse someone because they're a criminal and we're on the `right' side of the fence? Of course not.

Think of this. If a dog mauled and killed a child, because that was its nature, and how it was raised, would it be acceptable to maul, torture, abuse and then kill that dog? No, most of us here would be horrified to learn about something like that.

Saddam, obviously, is not a badly raised dog. He is a psychotic megalomaniac who is now unable to perpetrate any further the horrifying crimes that were so commonplace to his regime. For a man of such former power, the fact that he is caught and being tried for his crimes (which he believes were part of his right to rule) is a worse punishment than anything WE can come up with.

Let the man suffer for what he has done - he will, undoubtedly - but let us NOT become that which we abhor.
post #27 of 28
Right On, KitE great post
post #28 of 28
I may be overlooking something in the article I'm just not seeing where we are mistreating Saddam.
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