Originally Posted by Jaded78
I think I might have omitted some info in my post. Im not doing this to breed show cats, nor do I have my siamese registered. I just love cats and would like to try to breed her. I know Im new at this but hardly think that calls for spaying her...or taking her out back and shooting her.
Oh heavens, no one even came close to suggesting that you shoot the little darling! Chris, please understand that what you propose to do is simply not ethical. Having a love of cats is indeed a requirement, but there is oh-but-so-much more to breeding than this. The bottom line is simple - if your cat is not registered, then the only ethical thing to do is to spay her. Allowing your girl to have kittens simply for the sake of populating your area with them is just wrong when there are currently way too many cats residing in shelters and rescues, waiting for the open door of a forever home and a loving heart to cherish them.
If you will indulge me for a moment ...
When I was in my mid-twenties (I'm an old harpy now *smile*) I too wanted to begin breeding. But someone very, very wise stepped in and had the "come to Jesus" discussion with me and thankfully, this person was able to dissuade me from making what would inevitably turn out to be a colossal mistake - not only for me, but more importantly, for my cat and for the breed at large. It has only been within the last several years that I have been able to finally realize my goal and begin breeding. During the time I was forced to wait before beginning, I educated myself ... I read ~everything~ I could get my hands on, I talked to many long-time, experienced breeders, I researched pedigrees and bloodlines, I learned what health/genetic issues were inherent to the breed and I began saving the money I needed to finance it all. Even when the time was finally right, it was an additional three years before anyone would trust me enough to sell me breeding cats.
If you want to breed Siamese because you love them, fine. That can be a good foundation for you to build upon. But make sure you know all about them first. And forgive me, but it is quite obvious that you don't know what you are doing at present.
Originally Posted by Jaded78
I am in Canada, maybe its just a Canadian thing calling them flame points, she is all white, with orange nose, ears, tail, and a bit on the paws. The lady with the siamese kittens thinks her male is a chocolate siamese I guess because she is a novice like me and both chocolate and sealpoint have dark tips. So I you dont think I would end up with any sealpoints by mixing a sealpoint with a "red" point? I had been told the sealpoint color was dominant and would likely end up with all sealpoints.
It isn't just a Canadian thing, my dear. The term "Flame Point" denotes a cat of the Himalayan breed in all registries. If someone refers to a Siamese as a Flame Point, they are patently wrong in doing so.
While it is correct that Chocolate and Seal both do have dark points, there is a marked difference between them color-wise. I take it since this lady doesn't know for certain what point color her cat is that her cats are not registered either. If they were, she would know for a certainty and would not have to "think" her male is a Chocolate Point.
Both of you need to understand that even though you love Siamese, by breeding these cats with little to no knowledge of their genetics and other important factors, you are actually doing them great harm. And by producing kittens simply for the sake of producing kittens, you are adding to the overpopulation crisis.
I strongly encourage you to keep reaching for your dream - it is not my intention to dissuade you from breeding. But do it right. If I can help, I will. But my own standard of personal ethics prevents me from supporting you in any breeding endeavor you may wish to undertake at this time.