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post #1 of 25
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If only they could make this a law for all housepets...
post #2 of 25
This I don't mind - It doesn't ban the breed but it stops unnecessary litters. I think its a fantastic idea!!!

This way only registered breeders can breed animals and this can only be a good thing as it regulates the industry.

Well done!
post #3 of 25
Laws like this will keep honest people honest, and the ones who are breeding pits for the fighting ring or just for the cash are going to keep on doing it - in or out of the city limits. Only the worst of the worst backyard breeders will stay in business.

But I do like this a LOT better than banning the breed, or any breed, outright.
post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by jane_vernon
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This way only registered breeders can breed animals and this can only be a good thing as it regulates the industry.
I feel like this should be a rule for all breeders of all animals. But that's me.
post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
I feel like this should be a rule for all breeders of all animals. But that's me.
Me too. I think it's sad that it comes to that, but ultimately I think it's in the best interest for the animals.
post #6 of 25
I think it should be required that all animals be spayed or neutered. Not just one specific breed.

While it is much better than Denver's decision, I still think it is unfair to single out one specific breed.

While I, myself, would never get an animal from a breeder.. I think only "professional" breeders should be allowed to. We see so many clients at work who breed their animals that really haven't a clue as to what they are doing.

And then the animals suffer.

And, breeding aside.. spaying your animal before her first heat cycle prevents breast cancer and the chance of a pyometra. Neutering helps prevent prostate problems and can help with aggression.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Laws like this will keep honest people honest, and the ones who are breeding pits for the fighting ring or just for the cash are going to keep on doing it - in or out of the city limits. Only the worst of the worst backyard breeders will stay in business.

But I do like this a LOT better than banning the breed, or any breed, outright.
I agree. Although I can see why a law like this might work in theory, it won't work in reality because it's just regulates the honest people. People who stand to make a profit of it will be making an even bigger profit because there will be less dogs. It's supply and demand. When the supply goes down the demand goes up and there are a lot of people out there that will want to get thier hands on that money regardless of the laws. It might even cause a larger problem in the long run because most of the dogs will be coming from BYB's who will make huge profits.
post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by bengalbabe
I agree. Although I can see why a law like this might work in theory, it won't work in reality because it's just regulates the honest people. People who stand to make a profit of it will be making an even bigger profit because there will be less dogs. It's supply and demand. When the supply goes down the demand goes up and there are a lot of people out there that will want to get thier hands on that money regardless of the laws. It might even cause a larger problem in the long run because most of the dogs will be coming from BYB's who will make huge profits.

Exactly what I was thinking
post #9 of 25
I think that it is an excellent idea!! Since the "whole" dogs are those most likely to be at large, as well as to attack, this law gives animal control, and even the neighborhoods in general, an easier way to tackle the problem BEFORE disaster strikes. Most of the more horrific attacks are pretty breed-specific, and this should lessen the problem. I am sad that it has come to this, because I think it's kinda scary having that much government involvement in personal lives, but it is needed because unethical people don't care about the safety of their neighbors & their neighbors' pets.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
I think that it is an excellent idea!! Since the "whole" dogs are those most likely to be at large, as well as to attack, this law gives animal control, and even the neighborhoods in general, an easier way to tackle the problem BEFORE disaster strikes. Most of the more horrific attacks are pretty breed-specific, and this should lessen the problem. I am sad that it has come to this, because I think it's kinda scary having that much government involvement in personal lives, but it is needed because unethical people don't care about the safety of their neighbors & their neighbors' pets.
How much freedom are you willing to give up for safety's sake? We can see by the 911 and the airport security that people are willing to give up an aweful lot. Which is scarey-your right!
post #11 of 25
This is better than banning the whole breed indeed. But like others said it will just keep honest people honest...
post #12 of 25
i think its a good idea because pitbulls are becoming in danger of being outlawed and i imagine are a very much abused breed.

but i dont neccisarily agree with compulsory spaying/neutering all animals in general. i think the majority of us own dsh's and that if we had had to go to a breeder and pay those sort of prices a large percentage of us who not have been able to afford our pets.

maybe there should be a middlepath like you can be charged with animal cruelty if you allow your pet to have more than one litter if you are not a registered breeder?

but i think this, like the pitbull law is going to be very hard to enforce. unless someone who has bought a dog of these byb's and is willing to testify how will the owner get prosecuted?

also, theres a danger that the owners of unaltered pets might stop taking them for vetinary care in fear that the vet might turn them in.
post #13 of 25
In an article reporting on a meeting of the San Francisco Animal Commission, one pit bull owner had this to say: "But pit bull owner Marc Witt, who attended the hearing with his 8-year-old daughter Imani, said he has no interest in neutering his dog Rusty. He said the operation would change the dog's charming personality." This was in response to ACOs presenting facts that showed that over 90% of pitbull bites reported to authorities were caused by whole male dogs & that Los Angeles had reduced the number of their vicious dog attacks by 75% just by enforcing a new law that requires dogs to be spayed/neutered ( I honestly hadn't realized that L.A. has such a law ). Goes to show us, that we need these laws cuz of other people's ignorance, misinformation, etc.; which really sucks for the rest of us.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
In an article reporting on a meeting of the San Francisco Animal Commission, one pit bull owner had this to say: "But pit bull owner Marc Witt, who attended the hearing with his 8-year-old daughter Imani, said he has no interest in neutering his dog Rusty. He said the operation would change the dog's charming personality." This was in response to ACOs presenting facts that showed that over 90% of pitbull bites reported to authorities were caused by whole male dogs & that Los Angeles had reduced the number of their vicious dog attacks by 75% just by enforcing a new law that requires dogs to be spayed/neutered ( I honestly hadn't realized that L.A. has such a law ). Goes to show us, that we need these laws cuz of other people's ignorance, misinformation, etc.; which really sucks for the rest of us.

I hear so much of this that if I'd never seen a dog or cat, I'd assume that all of the fixed ones just dragged around with their tails between their legs all the time. What a crock.
post #15 of 25
My state banned all breeding of pit bulls a few years ago, and you see very few of them nowadays, in part also because the dogs have to undergo a "character test", or be on a leash and muzzled when not in the house or fenced-in yard. People with any sort of criminal record also aren't allowed to have them. Most German states have the same or similar laws.
Some people predicted that there would be an increase in BYBs and "imports" from puppy mills elsewhere in Europe, but that didn't happen.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by CommonOddity042
I hear so much of this that if I'd never seen a dog or cat, I'd assume that all of the fixed ones just dragged around with their tails between their legs all the time. What a crock.
True! Neutering just lets their true personality come out, without all the sexual frustration keeping them focused on what they can't have. Look at all the wonderful show/performance horses that are geldings that are still just dynamite super-stars!! And read about all the hilarious, ingenious, entertaining antics of our neutered cats right here in these forum!! It's just so difficult to get someone who's anti-neutering to see the obvious. (My MIL, for instance - the men in her family WANT her to get the dog neutered, cuz he pees everywhere, not to mention trying to hump any nearby leg - yikes! Once I sat on her couch, waiting to go to church with them, and I sat in fresh dog urine - no time to change, had to let those Michigan churchgoers think that Californians have terrible taste in cologne! )
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
It's just so difficult to get someone who's anti-neutering to see the obvious. (My MIL, for instance - the men in her family WANT her to get the dog neutered, cuz he pees everywhere, not to mention trying to hump any nearby leg - yikes! Once I sat on her couch, waiting to go to church with them, and I sat in fresh dog urine - no time to change, had to let those Michigan churchgoers think that Californians have terrible taste in cologne! )
This is , but I just wanted to point out that intact male dogs, unlike tom cats, normally don't urinate inside the home or on people, unless they've just mated, so neutering the dog probably won't work. They will urinate (and hump) in that manner if it's a dominance issue - a dog that wants to be the "leader of the pack" will act in exactly that manner. Neutered male dogs will, too, in many cases. Your MIL's dog has to be shown his limits, provided that any health issues have been ruled out.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by maverick_kitten
but i dont neccisarily agree with compulsory spaying/neutering all animals in general. i think the majority of us own dsh's and that if we had had to go to a breeder and pay those sort of prices a large percentage of us who not have been able to afford our pets.

I don't think there's ever going to be a shortage of dsh's at the pound. But if all animals need to be spayed/neutered I think it would help immensely with the amount of unwanted pets that are euthanized.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by GratefulBear629
I don't think there's ever going to be a shortage of dsh's at the pound. But if all animals need to be spayed/neutered I think it would help immensely with the amount of unwanted pets that are euthanized.
obviously this is never going to happen

but hypothetically if all cats were neutered then maybe there would be in 20 years time?

anyway, i'm going off topic now!
post #20 of 25
This is great! Why can't they do this with cats too?
post #21 of 25
One day.. ths breed will cease to exist..
post #22 of 25
Registered pedigree breeding will still be allowed.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by jcat
This is , . They will urinate (and hump) in that manner if it's a dominance issue - a dog that wants to be the "leader of the pack" will act in exactly that manner. Neutered male dogs will, too, in many cases. Your MIL's dog has to be shown his limits, provided that any health issues have been ruled out.
Very good point, JCAT! This dog is definitely ruling the roost, so to speak - he gets fed off plates, is very demanding about getting attention, will refuse to come when called, etc.
BTW, I read your post earlier about the bans in your state, including the not letting those with criminal backgrounds have a pitbull, and that all sounds like a great idea! I don't know if it would work here or not (the rights issue), but it would be a great idea, for sure! It would be okay by me - after all, criminals here can lose other rights/privileges such as the right to own a firearm, and the right to drive!
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
I feel like this should be a rule for all breeders of all animals. But that's me.
In a perfect world.
I sure wish it could be so and be enforced.
post #25 of 25
Kudos to them!
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