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11/3/05 at 12:45pm
Originally Posted by pjk5900
This is the updated info on this officer.
HOW CAN SO MANY PEOPLE BE SO HEARTLESS?
This is the forum from there including my post.
Then this is the conversation with one of my own group moderators I had tonight.
I was looking for someone to try out my post before I actually posted it and I obviously didn't get what I was hoping for.
(names have been changed to protect identity)
pjk5900: are you still there?
pjk5900: Hey, did you hear about this dog being shot deal?
ANON: what the heck...
pjk5900: the blind, deaf dog that was shot by a trigger happy e'ville cop yesterday or the day before
ANON: oh goodness gracious
pjk5900: I am a BIG animal lover and cannot fathom the idea of this happening and him getting away with it.
pjk5900: this is a board at the Courier and Press site and I have posted earlier but they have started a new one with the update that the cop was somehow justified. I just wanted someone to look at what I am going to post before I actually do and tell me not to or go for it.
lisaine: I like animals as well as the next, but I don't know what to even think about that
ANON: there HAD to have been a reason for him to shoot the dog
ANON: reasonable or not
pjk5900: The cops were dispatched to a home with a 17 yr old girl who her parents said she was staying at this home with a 23 yr old guy, her boyfriend and had not come home and they wanted them to see about it. Age of consent is 16 in Indiana.
pjk5900: So they went to this house to confront the boyfriend, (the 23 yr. old) and to see if she (the 17 yr. old) was there.
pjk5900: The dad answered and the police asked to talk to his son and he shut the door and said he was going to get him
ANON: ok, so the girl usually doesn't live with the BF?
pjk5900: so the story is told
pjk5900: In the meantime one of the police walks in the backyard to make sure no one goes out the back way.
pjk5900: He encounters the dog, a 13-14 yr. old beagle/basset hound mix with cataracts that have blinded her, and she is deaf.
pjk5900: She is leashed and chained to a 20 ft. cable in a fenced in backyard
lisaine: this is sounding a bit ominous
pjk5900: this cop says she growled at him and he was held off by her for a few minutes when she was threatening him, (with what, her gums) so he shot her once in the top of the head from 3 feet away.
pjk5900: How ferocious can this dog be??
pjk5900: He was aggravated by the barking, and snarling possibly, and shot her.
pjk5900: Very, VERY unethical in MY book.
pjk5900: If he was in fear of his life, maybe.
lisaine: deaf and blind is not toothless!
pjk5900: They carry mace, a nightstick, how about a boot/foot?
ANON: dunno... but I think no matter what he did, he pretty much landed in a pile of dung ... which splatters every way there was to go
pjk5900: ok, someone said a dog in that deteriorated state would have deteriorated teeth also
ANON: possibly, but not guaranteed
ANON: personally, *I* wouldn't try to fend off a growling, snarling dog with just my booted foot!
ANON: and a nightstick requires you to get too close, as well
pjk5900: He was 3 feet away when he shot her, and she was on a cable.
ANON: mace may not work fast enough, if you were dealing with a rabid animal, which I don't think this one was
pjk5900: This is a "gentle dog, who never so much as bit anyone in the 13-14 yrs. that they had her".
pjk5900: she was 18 pounds
pjk5900: The owners of "Precious" are sueing and I hope this guy pays for this.
AFTER a long pause from her..........
pjk5900: Oh well, I guess we can agree to disagree sometimes. I don't want to start anything I just thought everyone thought like i do.
ANON: I can see where he made a bad judgement call... but I'm not sure he had many real options once he encountered the dog
ANON: but I am NOT a cop, so I don't really know!
ANON: GOT to hit the sack as tomorrow's a busy day!
Am I wrong to be upset or am I like I think (and the other post area earlier today) the majority feels about this?
Originally Posted by tuxedokitties
Ok, finally it let me read the article.
That is just awful. Of course it's only the owner's word that the dog wouldn't harm anyone - I've heard of people being attacked by dogs who 'wouldn't harm a fly' according to their owners. But even if the dog was menacing him, don't police carry dog deterrent or pepper spray? Why couldn't he use something like that instead of just shooting her? I don't get it....
Originally Posted by Obi
I would agree with consumercity, that the owner saying their dog "wouldn't hurt a thing" isn't very telling, because plenty of owners say that right after watching their dog tear up a little girl.
Originally Posted by Obi
I would also note that being deaf and even having vision problems could actually make a dog more prone to being alarmed by strangers, so it is quite possible the dog threatened the officer. And, since dogs can easily rely on odor to find a target, especially in a place the dog is so familiar with that blurry vision isn't as big a deal, the dog could still pose a threat. The dog being small doesn't mean he can't do serious damage with his teeth. However, if the article is right the dog was tied up. Tied . . . . up . . . .. If the dog was tied up, even if all of the above that I wrote is true, why would it be necessary to shoot the dog? Couldn't you just get out of range? Was the tether long enough that the dog could get to all parts of the yard or something? Something certainly seems "off" here, and I think a thorough investigation is definitely in order. Killing a tied up dog seems about as reasonable as shooting a dog from the other side of a fence. That is, not at all.
Originally Posted by Obi
BTW, shooting into the air isn't an option. What goes up, must come down, and could end up coming down on some innocent person's head! Cops in the movies do it all the time, but you can't do that.
Originally Posted by consumercity
I'm not the person who said that. *snip*
If he shot straight into the air, the bullet would land in the yard. I'm always hearing on the news "...police fired warning shots...". I think Sides could have fired a warning shot but I think he is one of those people who views animals as "things" and didn't bother to try any alternatives. There are too many people with the "they're just animals" mentality which is why he will probably get off the hook.
Originally Posted by ckblv
Did you happen to MISS the fact that the dog was tied up and blind. Geesh.
Most of the time I will give the cops the benefit of the doubt, but not this time. You can bet it happened the way it was reported or the cops would be all over the paper. I find it hard to believe anyone would even entertain a thought that the cop was justified in any way. But I guess that is what IMO means, huh?