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post #1 of 27
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http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/news...208087,00.html
post #2 of 27
That poor family! I hope they get closure in this horrible situation!
post #3 of 27
Oh no that's terrible - she reminds me so much of my old 13 year old dog - who is almost blind too and scared of firecrackers!
post #4 of 27
This is horrible! Poor little doggy, and just imagine what this family is going through! This is a very upsetting thread, let's move it to IMO.
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
The family is sueing which I strongly support!!
I hope this idiot is told to turn in his badge!

I am thinking seriously about starting a petition to have him removed.
There is a link to start a petition and it is forwarded to the city officials of your choosing at a specified date.
I started it and don't know exactly how to word it.
Any suggestions??

I have something like this;

Evansville, Indiana residents are asking for the Resignation of Officer Sides
for the Improper Use of a Deadly Force that resulted in a family pets death.

See, I need help............that doesnt sound quite right.
Where's our attorney when I need her?
post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 
This is the updated info on this officer.
HOW CAN SO MANY PEOPLE BE SO HEARTLESS?

http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/news...211291,00.html

This is the forum from there including my post.
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/cou...dog11/?a=39861

Then this is the conversation with one of my own group moderators I had tonight.
I was looking for someone to try out my post before I actually posted it and I obviously didn't get what I was hoping for.
(names have been changed to protect identity)

pjk5900: are you still there?
ANON: hiwhee
pjk5900: Hey, did you hear about this dog being shot deal?
ANON: hino
ANON: what the heck...
pjk5900: the blind, deaf dog that was shot by a trigger happy e'ville cop yesterday or the day before
ANON: oh goodness gracious
pjk5900: I am a BIG animal lover and cannot fathom the idea of this happening and him getting away with it.
pjk5900: this is a board at the Courier and Press site and I have posted earlier but they have started a new one with the update that the cop was somehow justified. I just wanted someone to look at what I am going to post before I actually do and tell me not to or go for it.
lisaine: I like animals as well as the next, but I don't know what to even think about that
ANON: hmm
ANON: there HAD to have been a reason for him to shoot the dog
ANON: reasonable or not
pjk5900: The cops were dispatched to a home with a 17 yr old girl who her parents said she was staying at this home with a 23 yr old guy, her boyfriend and had not come home and they wanted them to see about it. Age of consent is 16 in Indiana.
pjk5900: So they went to this house to confront the boyfriend, (the 23 yr. old) and to see if she (the 17 yr. old) was there.
pjk5900: The dad answered and the police asked to talk to his son and he shut the door and said he was going to get him
ANON: ok, so the girl usually doesn't live with the BF?
pjk5900: no
pjk5900: so the story is told
pjk5900: In the meantime one of the police walks in the backyard to make sure no one goes out the back way.
pjk5900: He encounters the dog, a 13-14 yr. old beagle/basset hound mix with cataracts that have blinded her, and she is deaf.
pjk5900: She is leashed and chained to a 20 ft. cable in a fenced in backyard
lisaine: this is sounding a bit ominous
pjk5900: this cop says she growled at him and he was held off by her for a few minutes when she was threatening him, (with what, her gums) so he shot her once in the top of the head from 3 feet away.
pjk5900: How ferocious can this dog be??
pjk5900: He was aggravated by the barking, and snarling possibly, and shot her.
pjk5900: Very, VERY unethical in MY book.
pjk5900: If he was in fear of his life, maybe.
lisaine: deaf and blind is not toothless!
pjk5900: They carry mace, a nightstick, how about a boot/foot?
ANON: dunno... but I think no matter what he did, he pretty much landed in a pile of dung ... which splatters every way there was to go
pjk5900: ok, someone said a dog in that deteriorated state would have deteriorated teeth also
ANON: possibly, but not guaranteed
ANON: personally, *I* wouldn't try to fend off a growling, snarling dog with just my booted foot!
ANON: and a nightstick requires you to get too close, as well
pjk5900: He was 3 feet away when he shot her, and she was on a cable.
ANON: mace may not work fast enough, if you were dealing with a rabid animal, which I don't think this one was
pjk5900: This is a "gentle dog, who never so much as bit anyone in the 13-14 yrs. that they had her".
pjk5900: she was 18 pounds
pjk5900: The owners of "Precious" are sueing and I hope this guy pays for this.

AFTER a long pause from her..........

pjk5900: Oh well, I guess we can agree to disagree sometimes. I don't want to start anything I just thought everyone thought like i do.

ANON: I can see where he made a bad judgement call... but I'm not sure he had many real options once he encountered the dog
ANON: but I am NOT a cop, so I don't really know!
ANON: GOT to hit the sack as tomorrow's a busy day!
ANON: later!


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Am I wrong to be upset or am I like I think (and the other post area earlier today) the majority feels about this?
post #7 of 27
Hmmm...I can't access the story - had to register, tried registering and it wouldn't let me.

post #8 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by pjk5900
This is the updated info on this officer.
HOW CAN SO MANY PEOPLE BE SO HEARTLESS?

http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/news...211291,00.html

This is the forum from there including my post.
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/cou...dog11/?a=39861

Then this is the conversation with one of my own group moderators I had tonight.
I was looking for someone to try out my post before I actually posted it and I obviously didn't get what I was hoping for.
(names have been changed to protect identity)

pjk5900: are you still there?
ANON: hiwhee
pjk5900: Hey, did you hear about this dog being shot deal?
ANON: hino
ANON: what the heck...
pjk5900: the blind, deaf dog that was shot by a trigger happy e'ville cop yesterday or the day before
ANON: oh goodness gracious
pjk5900: I am a BIG animal lover and cannot fathom the idea of this happening and him getting away with it.
pjk5900: this is a board at the Courier and Press site and I have posted earlier but they have started a new one with the update that the cop was somehow justified. I just wanted someone to look at what I am going to post before I actually do and tell me not to or go for it.
lisaine: I like animals as well as the next, but I don't know what to even think about that
ANON: hmm
ANON: there HAD to have been a reason for him to shoot the dog
ANON: reasonable or not
pjk5900: The cops were dispatched to a home with a 17 yr old girl who her parents said she was staying at this home with a 23 yr old guy, her boyfriend and had not come home and they wanted them to see about it. Age of consent is 16 in Indiana.
pjk5900: So they went to this house to confront the boyfriend, (the 23 yr. old) and to see if she (the 17 yr. old) was there.
pjk5900: The dad answered and the police asked to talk to his son and he shut the door and said he was going to get him
ANON: ok, so the girl usually doesn't live with the BF?
pjk5900: no
pjk5900: so the story is told
pjk5900: In the meantime one of the police walks in the backyard to make sure no one goes out the back way.
pjk5900: He encounters the dog, a 13-14 yr. old beagle/basset hound mix with cataracts that have blinded her, and she is deaf.
pjk5900: She is leashed and chained to a 20 ft. cable in a fenced in backyard
lisaine: this is sounding a bit ominous
pjk5900: this cop says she growled at him and he was held off by her for a few minutes when she was threatening him, (with what, her gums) so he shot her once in the top of the head from 3 feet away.
pjk5900: How ferocious can this dog be??
pjk5900: He was aggravated by the barking, and snarling possibly, and shot her.
pjk5900: Very, VERY unethical in MY book.
pjk5900: If he was in fear of his life, maybe.
lisaine: deaf and blind is not toothless!
pjk5900: They carry mace, a nightstick, how about a boot/foot?
ANON: dunno... but I think no matter what he did, he pretty much landed in a pile of dung ... which splatters every way there was to go
pjk5900: ok, someone said a dog in that deteriorated state would have deteriorated teeth also
ANON: possibly, but not guaranteed
ANON: personally, *I* wouldn't try to fend off a growling, snarling dog with just my booted foot!
ANON: and a nightstick requires you to get too close, as well
pjk5900: He was 3 feet away when he shot her, and she was on a cable.
ANON: mace may not work fast enough, if you were dealing with a rabid animal, which I don't think this one was
pjk5900: This is a "gentle dog, who never so much as bit anyone in the 13-14 yrs. that they had her".
pjk5900: she was 18 pounds
pjk5900: The owners of "Precious" are sueing and I hope this guy pays for this.

AFTER a long pause from her..........

pjk5900: Oh well, I guess we can agree to disagree sometimes. I don't want to start anything I just thought everyone thought like i do.

ANON: I can see where he made a bad judgement call... but I'm not sure he had many real options once he encountered the dog
ANON: but I am NOT a cop, so I don't really know!
ANON: GOT to hit the sack as tomorrow's a busy day!
ANON: later!


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Am I wrong to be upset or am I like I think (and the other post area earlier today) the majority feels about this?
No the majority do NOT feel this is justified. I think the cop was a moron and should be fired. I heard about this on Petfinder. The person that posted the thread knows the family that owned the dog.
How the cop could be justified in shooting a dog that was TIED up, old and blind is beyond me.
Besides the fact, he shouldn't have been in the back yard anyway, the idiot.
It wasn't like they were after a violent criminal. The Girls father was with the cops when they went over there. Seems like cops are above the law when it comes to them killing dogs. I am sickened by this and I can see you are also, and rightly so. Make your petition, I will sign it and please post it over at Petfinder in "General Community" believe me, you will get tons of signers over there. Good luck
post #9 of 27
The dog was deaf, blind, old and restrained. All that cop had to do was step away from her if he felt intimidated (which I don't think he did, I think he's lying).

I'll certainly sign the petition and I'll post the link on the Coalition for Animal Justice website. I will also write a letter to the Chief of Police. I hope everyone else will too.
post #10 of 27
post #11 of 27
Ok, finally it let me read the article.

That is just awful. Of course it's only the owner's word that the dog wouldn't harm anyone - I've heard of people being attacked by dogs who 'wouldn't harm a fly' according to their owners. But even if the dog was menacing him, don't police carry dog deterrent or pepper spray? Why couldn't he use something like that instead of just shooting her? I don't get it....

post #12 of 27
Here is the letter I wrote to the Chief of Police. I wrote a similar one to the mayor of Evansville. I hope everyone reading this thread will do the same. We have to speak out against animal abuse or it will continue to be accepted by those in power.
_____________________________________________

November 4, 2005
Chief of Police Brad Hill
15 NW Martin Luther King JR BLVD
Evansville, IN 47708

Dear Police Chief Hill:

I am writing to protest the action of Officer Mike Sides in which he shot a 13 year old dog who is deaf and nearly blind with cataracts. Although he claims to have felt threatened by this small, elderly disabled dog, there were other ways for him to fend off the threat:

1) Instead of shooting the dog in the head (i.e. shooting to kill), he could have fired a shot into the air and the dog would have backed off.

2) He could have backed away until he was outside the range of the dog's leash.

I can only imagine the grief that Tamara Schuler must be feeling. Is that any way to treat a law abiding citizen? By shooting her dog? This certainly is not in keeping with the Evansville Police Department's mission statement.

Officer Sides should not be able to get away with what he did. He needs to respect not only people but their pets as well. Most people think of their pets as family members and it causes a great deal of emotional pain when they die, especially when it is a needless and violent death.

The man who reported that his daughter was being held against her will should get in trouble too. He made a false 911 call and that is illegal.

Respectfully,


Barbara Woodcox, President
Coalition for Animal Justice
post #13 of 27
You know, I really try not to place blame too quickly and wait for all the facts when it comes to whether police officers "should have" done . . . fill-in-the-blank, because I wasn't there. I would agree with consumercity, that the owner saying their dog "wouldn't hurt a thing" isn't very telling, because plenty of owners say that right after watching their dog tear up a little girl. I would also note that being deaf and even having vision problems could actually make a dog more prone to being alarmed by strangers, so it is quite possible the dog threatened the officer. And, since dogs can easily rely on odor to find a target, especially in a place the dog is so familiar with that blurry vision isn't as big a deal, the dog could still pose a threat. The dog being small doesn't mean he can't do serious damage with his teeth. However, if the article is right the dog was tied up. Tied . . . . up . . . .. If the dog was tied up, even if all of the above that I wrote is true, why would it be necessary to shoot the dog? Couldn't you just get out of range? Was the tether long enough that the dog could get to all parts of the yard or something? Something certainly seems "off" here, and I think a thorough investigation is definitely in order. Killing a tied up dog seems about as reasonable as shooting a dog from the other side of a fence. That is, not at all.

BTW, shooting into the air isn't an option. What goes up, must come down, and could end up coming down on some innocent person's head! Cops in the movies do it all the time, but you can't do that.
post #14 of 27
*le sigh* one more reason I am glad steve lives here now with me instead of in his old home town..
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by tuxedokitties
Ok, finally it let me read the article.

That is just awful. Of course it's only the owner's word that the dog wouldn't harm anyone - I've heard of people being attacked by dogs who 'wouldn't harm a fly' according to their owners. But even if the dog was menacing him, don't police carry dog deterrent or pepper spray? Why couldn't he use something like that instead of just shooting her? I don't get it....

Did you happen to MISS the fact that the dog was tied up and blind. Geesh.
Most of the time I will give the cops the benefit of the doubt, but not this time. You can bet it happened the way it was reported or the cops would be all over the paper. I find it hard to believe anyone would even entertain a thought that the cop was justified in any way. But I guess that is what IMO means, huh?
post #16 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obi
I would agree with consumercity, that the owner saying their dog "wouldn't hurt a thing" isn't very telling, because plenty of owners say that right after watching their dog tear up a little girl.
I'm not the person who said that. Even though a lot of people say their bite-happy dogs are harmless, in this case the dog wasn't capable of harming anyone even if she wanted to. She was small, elderly, deaf, half blind and chained up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Obi
I would also note that being deaf and even having vision problems could actually make a dog more prone to being alarmed by strangers, so it is quite possible the dog threatened the officer. And, since dogs can easily rely on odor to find a target, especially in a place the dog is so familiar with that blurry vision isn't as big a deal, the dog could still pose a threat. The dog being small doesn't mean he can't do serious damage with his teeth. However, if the article is right the dog was tied up. Tied . . . . up . . . .. If the dog was tied up, even if all of the above that I wrote is true, why would it be necessary to shoot the dog? Couldn't you just get out of range? Was the tether long enough that the dog could get to all parts of the yard or something? Something certainly seems "off" here, and I think a thorough investigation is definitely in order. Killing a tied up dog seems about as reasonable as shooting a dog from the other side of a fence. That is, not at all.
I agree. Something is definitely off and they should conduct a thorough investigation. I just can't see a police officer being afraid of a small, elderly, deaf, half blind, chained dog. Either he's using that as an lame excuse for killing her or he's a complete wimp (which is it Officer Sides?)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Obi
BTW, shooting into the air isn't an option. What goes up, must come down, and could end up coming down on some innocent person's head! Cops in the movies do it all the time, but you can't do that.
If he shot straight into the air, the bullet would land in the yard. I'm always hearing on the news "...police fired warning shots...". I think Sides could have fired a warning shot but I think he is one of those people who views animals as "things" and didn't bother to try any alternatives. There are too many people with the "they're just animals" mentality which is why he will probably get off the hook.
post #17 of 27
I know that a police officer shot a innocent dog in front of its family in Tennessee. The dog didn't do anything but the creep got gun happy.
post #18 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by consumercity
I'm not the person who said that. *snip*

If he shot straight into the air, the bullet would land in the yard. I'm always hearing on the news "...police fired warning shots...". I think Sides could have fired a warning shot but I think he is one of those people who views animals as "things" and didn't bother to try any alternatives. There are too many people with the "they're just animals" mentality which is why he will probably get off the hook.
Sorry, you are correct, I meant to cite Tuxedokitties. At any rate, most police jurisdictions have a policy against firing off warning shots for the reason I cited, with disciplinary action to be brought against any officer who tries it. I know for certain this was true in my father's police department, and the neighboring jurisdictions. We have some cops on the board, so maybe they'll drop in and can say what the rule is where they are . . .
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
There was a pregnant girl at a New Years Eve party one year and someone had fired a gun into the air, not sure if it was there or nearby, the stray bullet came down straight on top of her head and killed her.

I don't think firing in the air is an option.
I don't think firing into the dogs head is either though.

Now with the tornado it is all being swept under the rug.
post #20 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by ckblv
Did you happen to MISS the fact that the dog was tied up and blind. Geesh.
Most of the time I will give the cops the benefit of the doubt, but not this time. You can bet it happened the way it was reported or the cops would be all over the paper. I find it hard to believe anyone would even entertain a thought that the cop was justified in any way. But I guess that is what IMO means, huh?
No, I did not miss that. Yes, the dog was tied up and blind.

However, a blind dog can still bite and maim - they can focus on the source of noise and smell. Vision is not a dog's most acute sense even in dogs with normal sight - they rely more on scent and sound.

Tied up - according to the story, the officer said the dog rushed out and cornered him in the yard, so he was unable to get away. Even with the dog tied up, if the officer was in a corner and the tieout was long enough it is quite possible that the dog could have kept him cornered - and if the tieout was insecure, he could possibly have feared for his safety. Again, the "gentle and harmless" description of the dog is from the owner. It's a dog's instinct to protect its territory - the officer was a stranger, coming into the yard without the owner's presence or a proper introduction. I would be surprised if a dog (even a normally gentle and friendly one)didn't react aggressively under those circumstances.

Am I justifying shooting the dog? Absolutely not! If the dog was restrained where she couldn't actually reach the officer if he was in the corner, he should have first called for help, then pepper-sprayed or maced the dog if absolutely necessary to get by - shooting it was completely unnecessary and cruel. It's terribly sad, and I sure hope this isn't swept under the rug.
post #21 of 27
Sometimes I believe it is good to just call a spade a spade.
post #22 of 27
Thread Starter 
If he was trying to get away from the dog he was going the wrong direction.
The cable the dog was on ran out at least 4-5 feet from the back fence he was "trapped" against.
I see a spade too.
post #23 of 27
I just have one question, and I may have missed it in the article, but was there any reason to believe the 23 year old would run?? Especially if they just "wanted to talk to him" about the girl. Was there more to it? Otherwise, that police officer truly had no business being in the backyard. Whether the dog was growling or not, at any moment he should have stepped OUT of the backyard, not further INTO the backyard.

I wonder if the whole reason he shot this dog was because he looked at that dog and saw that she was old, and obviously blind, and thought he would put her "out of her misery"?

If you ask me, the cop had no business being in the backyard, nonetheless shooting the dog.
post #24 of 27
The girl's father apparently claimed that the girl was being held against her will, so it would make sense to have an officer in the backyard to prevent an "escape" of the "hostage taker".
post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 
That turned out to be totally not true.
The man that called is her mother's boyfriend/fiance and she was not being held at all.
I would really love to know why this all happened the way it did.

There is a big cover-up (protect your own) if you ask me.
post #26 of 27
It does sound quite shady, doesn't it?
post #27 of 27
So what was the real story?
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