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post #1 of 26
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Our precious dollars are necessarily being diverted to the FBI's Lost Innocence Program to combat human trafficking, primarily young girls, and even boys, used in prostitution and other slave labor. I found several blogs on the subject that said that men in the US are turning more & more to younger & younger girls, that the most marketable age is dropping from 14 or 15 to 11 or 12!! Here's the FBI's public info. on this:
http://usinfo.state.gov/eur/Archive/...24-842825.html
MY QUESTION(S) -
Should pimping children be made into a capital offense?? IMO, it's committing a living-murder, to subject these children to such horrors, esp. for profit!
What should the penalties be for the "johns" who are almost completely responsible for the existence of this trade!!! I say, make the punishment be as harsh as possible (yes, I know that the families of these men will suffer, but as a wife, I know I'd want to know the truth of what my husband was really like)

"But things were different back then" ....I know that this really isn't all that different from 100 years ago when a 50 year old man would marry a 15 year old (nausea). In fact, a psychologist that I met told me that in tracking the role that genetics might play in pedophilia, some studies suggest that the offspring of these old-time May/December marriages are disproportionately represented in the prison population incarcerated for pedophilia & other sex crimes.( I havent' found a study that says that yet, but not sure where to look)
I get so mad when I hear older men brag about their young wives! Esp. the celebrities - do they really think that young hottie would want them if they were just "Ordinary Joe", i.e., in it for love, not money?? I think that glorification of an extraordinarily young wife just perpetuates the cycle of teen girls seen as sex objects, instead of the princesses of our society that should be given respect & opportunities for a happy future.
OR do I just need to accept that "men will be men"????
post #2 of 26
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
<snip>... What should the penalties be for the "johns" who are almost completely responsible for the existence of this trade!!! I say, make the punishment be as harsh as possible (yes, I know that the families of these men will suffer, but as a wife, I know I'd want to know the truth of what my husband was really like)...<snip>
Well, if the child is under 18, regardless of if it's consensual sex or not, they would be charged with statutory rape.
post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by RoseHawke
Well, if the child is under 18, regardless of if it's consensual sex or not, they would be charged with statutory rape.
Right, and if the girl or boy in question is in the 11-12 year old bracket, child molestation.

As for the pimps...we don't have the right legal punishment for them. I say throw then in General Population with Child Pimp tattooed on their forehead...
post #4 of 26
The only thing I'd tattoo on their forehead would be a bullet hole. Why give a second chance?
post #5 of 26
There is an interesting statistic about teen pregnancy. The majority of teens who get pregnant are inpregnated by a mani n his 20s or older. And....the younger the teen, the older the man.
post #6 of 26
I believe some of these men are just sick to want young children. Then there are the old men that marry younger wives - IMO it's all about their fear of getting old. They somehow need to prove they are still young.

I have a good husband but I have to tell you, he is taking aging much harder than I have. I'll be 59 in December and he'll be 52 two days before my birthday and I've accepted and embraced my aging whereas he spends time lamenting about new wrinkles or how old he's starting to look - Lord give me strength.
post #7 of 26
...but that's not even legal!

It's one thing to condone prostitution when these women and the johns are of age and can have legal, consensual sex (though I'm not sure I agree with it or understand why women choose this for themselves) but to involve kids? Through human trafficking? That's sick and wrong and horrible.
post #8 of 26
Perhaps we should get to the root of the problem and see who is doing the transporting and trafficking of these children. Who is behind treating these people like cattle?
Which countries are they coming from?
post #9 of 26
Some people think that is what happened to Natalee Holloway in Aruba.
She was sold into slavery and prostitution.
post #10 of 26
I saw this on Oprah yesterday. It was so sad that I couldn't finish the show. There were kids around 8 years old, and virgins were more profitable, so they would sew some of the children up afterwards. If the man rapes her and she bleeds and is in excruciating pain, he knows(thinks) she was a virgin.

A lot of them are sold by their parents and some of them are lured away from their families with promises of being able to live a good life in America. Most of the men who get them aren't sleazy types you would imagine, they are upper class people with good careers. One man was a minister. They get them from the poorest communities in the poorest countries; many of them were from India and Mexico.

The states with the largest amounts are Texas, Florida, and New York. It could be happening in your neighborhood. Some of them are sold to people as slaves. There was this particularly horrific place on Oprah, that was just dried grass and weeds making places for the children and man to go in, covered by plastic bags for a little privacy. The monsters have 10 minutes with the child, and the child gets around 50 a night.

It's horrendous and heart-breaking.
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by Purr
<snip> Most of the men who get them aren't sleazy types you would imagine, they are upper class people with good careers. One man was a minister. <snip>
ANY many who would hire a CHILD to have sex with, particularly as young as you are talking about here, are sleazebags. I don't care how much money they have, or if they have a good job. They are scum, no matter what they look like on the outside.

While I agree that we need to get to the root of the problem, I believe the root of the problem is the demand for the "service". Remove the demand and there will be no reason to destroy these children's lives. Now, how we go about that...I just don't know.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by valanhb
ANY many who would hire a CHILD to have sex with, particularly as young as you are talking about here, are sleazebags. I don't care how much money they have, or if they have a good job. They are scum, no matter what they look like on the outside.
I think what she meant is you won't be able to pick them out on the street by the trench coat and foul smell. Sometimes it's harder to convince people that "upstanding citizens" are in reality child molesting scumbags.
post #13 of 26
My take on the matter is really simple. Anyone who molests or uses children of any age should be shot in the head. These guys go to jail, get out of jail, abuse again, go to jail, get out of jail.

Believe me, my way would put a complete and total stop to it.
post #14 of 26
I agree with you.
post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by KittenKiya
My take on the matter is really simple. Anyone who molests or uses children of any age should be shot in the head. These guys go to jail, get out of jail, abuse again, go to jail, get out of jail.

Believe me, my way would put a complete and total stop to it.
Unfortunately, what about those cases where you aren't 100% certain? I mean, how can you always know for sure?

Certainly I think child abusers/molesters/etc are the pretty much as low as you can get. But shooting an innocent person won't solve anything either.

I wish there really were a 100% solution, but this is an old problem to a certain extent. Go back a couple hundred years and it wasn't even illegal.
post #16 of 26
Perhaps a tattoo on the offenders' foreheads..."I MOLEST LITTLE GIRLS" or whatever the offense. that would be hard to hide! That, and a permanent ankle radio cuff, for CONSTANT monitoring.
post #17 of 26
If a person has been convicted of child molestation, what do you mean about not being 100% sure?
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by KittenKiya
If a person has been convicted of child molestation, what do you mean about not being 100% sure?
Do you really think our justice system is so perfect that innocent people can't be convicted? There have been witch hunts involving sexual abuse and children before. I don't believe our justive system is that perfect, so I'd rather not kill people whether or not they have been found guilty. Of course, that would change this into a discussion on Capital Punishment.

Also, it would not put a total stop to it because there will always be new offenders. And I don't think they'll necc be scared off by the death sentence. All it will do is make sure they can't do it again, which is great for all his/her potential future victims but late for the last one. Personally I'd rather spend money trying to help her out or teach children how to avoid it/report it rather than killing someone whose done it.
post #19 of 26
You certainly are entitled to your point of view. I work in a Vocational Rehabilitation office and I wish you could see the millions of dollars that are spent on "rehabilitating" people like this. You are right about the point that if the ones that did it were killed, that news ones would pop up. However, if they were dealt with the same way, perhaps there may be a pause in the epidemic of child molestation.

By the way, the "rehabilitated" are usually the first ones back in jail.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by KittenKiya
You certainly are entitled to your point of view. I work in a Vocational Rehabilitation office and I wish you could see the millions of dollars that are spent on "rehabilitating" people like this. You are right about the point that if the ones that did it were killed, that news ones would pop up. However, if they were dealt with the same way, perhaps there may be a pause in the epidemic of child molestation.

By the way, the "rehabilitated" are usually the first ones back in jail.
Don't get me wrong! I do not condone trying to rehabilitate pedophiles and put them back on the street. I am just too afraid of the numerous errors the police and American justice system have made (we've had people on death row be found innocent) to condone killing everyone found guilty of the crime. I've heard that "just kill them" pov expressed a few times and I just couldn't let it go.

But I don't think they should slapped on the wrist and tossed back in with the general public either. In fact, I wish that money spent "rehabilitating" were spent on the victims rather than the criminals.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by KittenKiya
By the way, the "rehabilitated" are usually the first ones back in jail.
What a ugly issue to deal with! And unfortunately, I have to agree with you that repeat offenders are too, too common!
I agree that we need to address the root of the problem - why are there customers for this business?? What I find very disturbing is that these young girls (and sometimes boys) are servicing so many men per day, that they are starved, beaten & tortured by their pimps so that they are too scared to run away - how can a "customer" not realize any of that?? I mean, these girls usu. die in 6- 7 years after first becoming prostitutes, often from medical conditions not just drug use & murder - these are NOT healthy, confident young girls.
and IMO there is a difference between what these sex slaves are going through from the more customary statutory rape of a young teen being consensual, either from being in love with an adult, or trading favors for a little pot or beer for her buds, when her folks are out of town (my hubby has too many of these girls who do the latter - there is such a "new attitude" about sex these days, and I shake my head at how these girls realize that "being sexy" gets you what you want, if you're cute enough, and they don't feel remorse! And their parents are sometimes what you'd consider the best of parents, tried so hard to instill good moral values - guess the society speaks louder than a father)
post #22 of 26
Well, from person experience, my ex-husband molested our two daughters, and then when he was brought to court it wad found out that molested his daughter from his first marriage, he was given a slap on the hand.

He moved out of New Hampshire down to Florida, never registered as a sex offender and I shudder to think of what could be happening. If I had shot him when I tried to, no one would ever have had to worry. Now he is loose in someone's neighborhood and the kids there have no protection. Unfortuately I don't know where he lives or I would call the police.
post #23 of 26
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It would be nice if the country could agree on certain rights for all citizens and eliminate the discrepancies that occur between the states, such as the level of crime & resulting punishments for abuses against children, and for sex with animals, who, IMO, are never consensual.
Condolences, KittenKiya, to your family on having to endure the ultimate betrayal by the one person who was supposed to protect and provide for the family. Shooting him would have been a crime of passion, and you would have been protecting your family.
Is there any agency that you could ask about, to see if he is still unregistered? Since he never registered, I suppose that he was ordered to register, which means that his fingerprints should be in the local law enforcement's data bank. I would encourage you to find out, as more innocent little girls are obviously at risk. And if he gets away with it, his actions may turn more & more violent, and more than innocence may be taken...
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by Purr
I saw this on Oprah yesterday. It was so sad that I couldn't finish the show. There were kids around 8 years old, and virgins were more profitable, so they would sew some of the children up afterwards. If the man rapes her and she bleeds and is in excruciating pain, he knows(thinks) she was a virgin.

A lot of them are sold by their parents and some of them are lured away from their families with promises of being able to live a good life in America. Most of the men who get them aren't sleazy types you would imagine, they are upper class people with good careers. One man was a minister. They get them from the poorest communities in the poorest countries; many of them were from India and Mexico.

The states with the largest amounts are Texas, Florida, and New York. It could be happening in your neighborhood. Some of them are sold to people as slaves. There was this particularly horrific place on Oprah, that was just dried grass and weeds making places for the children and man to go in, covered by plastic bags for a little privacy. The monsters have 10 minutes with the child, and the child gets around 50 a night.

It's horrendous and heart-breaking.
I also watched the show. I agree that it was absolutely heartbreaking and discouraging to hear that the most valued age of child sex slaves is becoming younger and younger. It makes me sick. I'm sure it's happening here in Canada. In fact, I believe I heard about a story that came out of Winnipeg recently, which apparently has a high child poverty rate as well.
post #25 of 26
I guess my question would be...where is the responsibility of the parents who didn't keep a closer watch on their children?!?!? It is my opinion that the parents now a days give way too much leeway and freedom to their children. Greed for money is greater as the kids have to have fancy cars, name brand clothes, and the latest technology and with no parental involvement or observation...this leads to the teenagers getting into BIG trouble like this. Again, minors are just that - minors. They are not adults and should be watched more closely IMO.
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by vespacat
: In fact, I believe I heard about a story that came out of Winnipeg recently, which apparently has a high child poverty rate as well.
THE highest in fact. . The "kiddie track" is alive and well here.
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