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post #1 of 22
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9898294/

A woman accused of helping her husband kill their 8-year-old to rid her of a demon pleaded guilty to murder Tuesday.
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Police discovered Quimani on the floor of their motel room. Pages ripped from the Bible were thrown on and around her body, and her arms were broken.

Prosecutors said Christopher Carey had stabbed her with a knife until it broke, while she tried to fight back.

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When faced with such tragedy, I think we can all agree that the parents of the child pretty much have serious mental problems. I am however, going to ask a question that is not related directly to this sad turn of events but anyone may feel free to discuss the case directly too.

Why is it that when we see such situations, we all come to the correct conclusion that the person has mental problems and the events was caused by his mental problems rather than the Bible. Yet when we are faced with the situation of a person deciding to do some violent act based upon a video game or a movie, many decide to put the blame on the video or movie rather than coming to the conclusion that the cause of the problem is the mental state of mind of the person.
post #2 of 22
I must not be in the camp that blames the video games or movies.
I look at the person's state of mind and how they react to their immediate environment.
I also never blamed AC/DC lyrics for the actions of the "Night Stalker"
(his AC/DC cap was left at one of the scenes of his crimes and one of their songs was entitled "Night Prowler" which some ascribed to this killer..they said AC/DC made him do it. I can't recall if he agreed or not).

addendum: I can't read your link. I just can't. It was hard enough reading your post
post #3 of 22
That's an interesting question that's not easily answered. I think that many people believe that mental illness is always caused, or exacerbated, by some "outside force", but if the mentally ill act out some sort of religious mania, they shy away from blaming the Bible, or other religious treatises, because they believe that "God's word" could in no way lead people to "evil acts".
post #4 of 22
So was the husband evil, but the wife mentally ill? Were they both mentally ill? This is just too hard for me to understand.
post #5 of 22
maybe because the bible does not condone this kind of violence but video games/movies do.
post #6 of 22
Simple answer: Because you can't sue the Bible, and there is no representative of the Bible as a whole to sue either.

Or because the majority of the US population (~80%) believe the Bible to be true, while the percentage of the population who play video games is much, much lower. Nevermind the fact that since the modern console games came out with the violent video games that youth violent crime has decreased significantly (as seen on a program on G4 about the link between video games and youth violence, I believe they were using the Uniform Crime Reports for the stats).
post #7 of 22
Sickos.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Simple answer: Because you can't sue the Bible, and there is no representative of the Bible as a whole to sue either.
I just choked on my Diet Coke! I'd never thought of that angle, Heidi!
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by bengalbabe
maybe because the bible does not condone this kind of violence but video games/movies do.
Wha??? Isn't there someone almost sacrificing their son on an altar and many stonings?
Not to mention the acts of a wrathful god...
See the article below. Its old but I just came across it...Yikes.
This is different than the incident above, granted.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1200/bibleskit.html
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
Wha??? Isn't there someone almost sacrificing their son on an altar and many stonings?
Not to mention the acts of a wrathful god...
See the article below. Its old but I just came across it...Yikes.
This is different than the incident above, granted.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1200/bibleskit.html
That's horrible!!!
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by jcat
That's horrible!!!
I dunno, that site REALLY smacks of being a spoof.

edit: a "whois" search shows the domain is registered to a company called "oddities-inc" out of Falls Church VA, all of the e-mail addies associated with it go through MSN and it looks like the snail-mail and phone# contacts as well may be false.
post #12 of 22
IMO you can find any message you want in any media form you want, if you look hard enough. The bible is just as likely to spurn violence than a video game - it isn't. Most of us make a choice as to what we do and how we behave. The bible has never sauntered over to me and FORCED me to eat tuna fish or kill anyone or anything!

What these parents did to thier daughter is inexcusable and evil. They themselves may not be evil, but they MUST be held responsible for thier actions. The blame game is just dumb, and a good way to dodge responsibility, no matter what influence is accused of "causing" an incident!

In the event tht these individuals are truly ill and have had psychic breaks with reality, they may have found thier "message" in a Forbes magazing just as easily as the bible, or perhaps the kitchen sink could have "told" them what to do. That is a whole 'nother issue!

I get a little worried whenever anyone puts too much stock in any type of media, such as the bible. If you accept someone else's word as the "truth," doesn't that also subvert your own responsibility for your beliefs and reasons? I mean, "I don't like homosexuality because the bible tells me it is wrong" smacks of "I am uncomfortable with homosexuality and instead of dealing with it, I blindly reject it." I don't know what is true, except for what I feel in my own heart and mind. And that's only true for me!
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by RoseHawke
I dunno, that site REALLY smacks of being a spoof.

edit: a "whois" search shows the domain is registered to a company called "oddities-inc" out of Falls Church VA, all of the e-mail addies associated with it go through MSN and it looks like the snail-mail and phone# contacts as well may be false.
You're right! Take a look at this list of articles in their archives: http://www.google.com/custom?q=Mastu...verbaptist.org
WARNING: R-rated
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by jcat
You're right! Take a look at this list of articles in their archives: http://www.google.com/custom?q=Mastu...verbaptist.org
WARNING: R-rated
Whoa, that's pretty wild. Totally off topic, I've finally figured out how to type with a cat on my lap, athough it's slow ...on-screen keybord utility!
post #15 of 22
I think that we so often see the Bible mentioned in cases like this because hyper-religiosity to a psychotic extreme is quite common with certain types of schizophrenia. When you mix hyper-religiosity with psychotic thinking, you get very bizarre beliefs and behavior like killing a child because it is satan or to save it from satan.

What I don't get about this case is what is going on with the father. Is he psychotic as well or just plain evil?
post #16 of 22
I think if you kill your child in this way you could have never loved it. Blaming everything on the father is just a tactic used by the defense (quite typical in cases where both parents murder their children). They both killed this poor child which would make them equally culpable.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by jcat
if the mentally ill act out some sort of religious mania, they shy away from blaming the Bible, or other religious treatises, because they believe that "God's word" could in no way lead people to "evil acts".
I in no way shy away from this. I think that ANYTHING be it a video game or the Bible or Koran or Torah or some other holy book or a regular book or a magazine or a lecture can be an impetus for some mentally ill person to carry out tragic acts. I think that it's a lot like cancer or MS...some people are naturally more prone to mental disorders and the environment perpetuates instances of questionable behavior.

Clearly, this couple used the Bible as their vehicle. And it's every bit as unfortunate as when those 2 kids used the video game for Columbine.

But how do we fix it?
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by RoseHawke
I dunno, that site REALLY smacks of being a spoof.

edit: a "whois" search shows the domain is registered to a company called "oddities-inc" out of Falls Church VA, all of the e-mail addies associated with it go through MSN and it looks like the snail-mail and phone# contacts as well may be false.
Landover Baptist is a parody site.
post #19 of 22
I think there are two reasons, and people might be thinking both things at once, or just one of them.
1) In this country, Christianity is the top religion, and even people who don't believe it recognize that it says things like "turn the other cheek" and "love your enemies". So, as someone else said, they are just more willing to blame the person's interpretation of what they read, rather than the work itself.
2) Belief in general is thin ice, because by definition beliefs can't be proven. People tend to aggressively defend their beliefs, in part (I think) because they know they can't prove it but it's important to them and they feel defensive about it. Given the strong Christian component of this country, blaming the Bible would be like teasing a bull or bothering a wasps nest. No one really wants to go there out of unacknowledged respect for the bull.

By the way, I am Christian, so I'm not trying to be insulting, just honest.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Simple answer: Because you can't sue the Bible, and there is no representative of the Bible as a whole to sue either.
If you are interested, there was this case of United States ex rel. Mayo v. Satan & His Staff , 54 F.R.D. 282 (1971) where some people tried to sue Satan for causing numerous misery to the plaintiff and one issue was whether can the plaintiff serve the paper on the Church of Satan as Satan's agent (or representative).
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by bengalbabe
maybe because the bible does not condone this kind of violence but video games/movies do.
There are actually many reference to violence in the bible, more so if one includes the old testament. Furthermore, video games/movies do not tell people who view them to carry out the acts however, the bible is a holy text whereby readers are asked to live by it.
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by jcat
You're right! Take a look at this list of articles in their archives: http://www.google.com/custom?q=Mastu...verbaptist.org
WARNING: R-rated


Sorry, guys...I just glanced at it briefly....
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