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What a jerk!

post #1 of 27
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I was feeding the cat by the railroad, and the guy who lives next to it came up to me and got really mad, saying because I feed them they come in his backyard. He's like trap them dont feed them here anymore. (well as you all know if I trap it I have no place to bring it anyway, but I didnt tell him that)So then he told me he never wants to see me feeding them again. So I asked if the railroad is his property, and off course its not so he said no. So then I said well you dont own this place so what I do is none of your business, then he started to curse and said you better not feed them anymore I mean it. Oh and when he told me this he had his huge Mastiff dog with him, then I saw him go by where i feed the cats, then he disspeared I guess went back home. He's been watching me I guess and he must not like cats either, I did see cats on his property though, but I guess there not his? He's creepy coming up to me like that who does he think he is picking on me, he should act more mature! If I knew that the cat would definetly have a home already and i knew I would have to come back, then I would have said some things to this guy and would have went back, but since I dont and dont want any trouble im going to stop feeding the cat, for the past 2 weeks I was gradually weaning it off my feedings to begin with and I was due to stop feeding permanetly 4 days from now anyway. I did manage to place a big cardboard box in a dry place for one cat to hide in, so thats good too. I guess for the cats safety and my well being , it's best I dont feed them anymore, but he's not stopping me from passing by his house when I ride my bike on a nice day. I may not be feeding the cats anymore, but he will be seeing my face alot once it gets warm again. ha ha

edit: By the way across from his house is a huge forest where some cats live too, im not making the cats go into his yard, so if he has to complain he shouldnt have complained to me, do I control the cats movement? He should call the town up, complain to them if you must. I wish i told him off when I had the chance, he makes me so mad!
post #2 of 27
keith you should have numerous feral rescue places to contact to help you get these cats trapped and moved to a better location? Did Katie give you any links of feral cat rescues in your area?
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
Yeah except they wont relocate them or take them, I stated this in older posts. Im just angry about that guy right now.
post #4 of 27
if i were you keith,i wouldn't bother about this bloke ,could you contact the owner of the rail road (not sure but cat may legally be their property)if you get their permission to feed the cats there is nothing this bloke can do,if he threatens you,you can call the police,if these cats are dependant on you feeding, it would surely put them at risk by stopping,and if this bloke is as nasty as he sounds how do you know he wont harm the cats after you stop checking on them?
if all else fails you could always go feed them on your bike,just dont stop,just put the food in an open top container and tip it out as you pass by,he would have to be sitting at the window all the time to see you drop it!!

best wishes and good luck
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
I am only there one minute he came up from behind me when I was feeding them. I told my dad and now he will be driving me there to feed the cat, if the guy starts my dad will take care of it, since this guy has no legal reason to make me stop. If this was his property or if I trespassed on his property then im at fault, but I did none of these so im not doing anything wrong. I have been trying to contact the town on the railroad, but got no responce. I'll try again.
post #6 of 27
good on you keith and good on your dad too!!

bullies like that can't be allowed to think they have won,people need to stand up for what they believe in and defend the animals, after all they can't defend themselves against people like that,can they?,

i applaud you and your dad
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
I may have some bad news. Now I just heard that he can get the police involved since im feeding the cats, and they are going in his backyard looking for food. If im not going to keep them or get them checked at a vet, and he is bothered by them, then he could possibly get me in trouble with the law. I checked the laws and I cant get permission to feed them unless im willing to care for them too and get them ALL spayed/neutered. It doesnt matter that I was only feeding that one cat, according to the law im responcible for all of them, which is well over 5 cats. So either I stop or risk getting arrested or a fine. Hey i've been feeding them for 3 months so I gave it a good try, God knows I tried and i'm sure the cats do to. Sometimes you have to know that you cant always win everything, but at least I gave it a good try! Now if someone will keep the cat, THEN I have permission to go and trap it, and that guy cant say a word. If he threatens or harms a cat and I see or hear it, yes the police will be notified! Mabye I can find someone else to go and feed them, or at least someone to find a way to contact the town and tell them about the cats.
post #8 of 27
Keith, can you move your feeding into the forest? That way the cats won't be going into his yard, you're not right behind his house, and it will move the cats away from his yard.
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
His house is to the left, and when you walk right about 100 feet, thats where the cats are. The railroad and his house are on the same road, But where I feed them isnt even near his house, so there not even my cats that are in his yard, but still to the law that wont matter. I tried feeding the cats in the forest because its very close to them, but they wont leave very far from the tracks. If they did I could have fed them in the forest, and he wouldnt even know I was feeding them then.

EDIT: the grass is an abandoned lot, thus it goes back far enough right next to his backyard fence. So they walk on the side of his house, since the grass is on one side of his house.m Homeless people also live there, and feed the cats, its not only me, but that guy still doesnt seem to care.

heres a pic diagram.

[_]ll[_]ll[_]ll[_]ll[_]ll{_}llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll[_____] (I feed here, no houses)
(his neighbors)

({_}= his house) (llll=grass) ([_____] =railroad)
post #10 of 27
obviusly if you you find yourself banging your head against a wall then you need to get other help,it is the easy way out to walk away however upsetting for you,
if you can't get sanctuary help,maybe if you call around your neighbours ask them if they would be willing to donate to the trap,neuter,of these cats,if they cannot donate money,maybe they could collect aluminium cans for you to cash in,to help with the cost,
you don't have to 'do' all the cats in one go,
you could even get the little kids in the neighbourhood to collect cans at school,

i would be very cautious getting the local town hall involved,they might trap'n'put to sleep depending where you live.

please keep trying for the cats sake
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
I cant if I feed them he will report me, so even if I have enough income to feed all year, it wont help at all. I know calling the town sounds bad, but the only other option is walking away from this. If I TNR workers here then they could ahve helped me, but theres nobody here that does that themselves. Nobody cares about this lot, why do you think it is so overrun with cats, garbage filled, and has homeless people living there?
post #12 of 27
dear keith

the doris day foundation does spay'n'neuter programs,i would think they would dedicate some funds and some human resources to help to alleviate this problem if they were made aware of the problem,

you could try e-mailing vick stevens she is the director of the programs you can e-mail to her at vicki@ddaf.org

good luck
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 
But there is Washington and im in New York, how will they help? I'll email anyway.
post #14 of 27
they will have more contacts of people,volunteers,helpers,if they cant help they will know some one who can,

and after all doris is a wonderful person,she will have alot of famous contacts,who love animals and animal welfare,and one might just live near you!!!

nobody can help if they do not know about the problem

after all, i know about the doris day foundation and i live in England(over the pond)
post #15 of 27
Thread Starter 
Im also going to try and contact a place to clean up the lot, then mabye since they are an organization they will contact another about the cats. So I cant feed the cats anymore, but hopefully this organiztion will improve our towns wildlife, and mabye if they knew I was helping the cats,just mabye, I can Legally feed or setup homes for these cats, or make our town a cleaner place.
post #16 of 27
I know you have tried contacting shelters in your area. You may have already tried all these but I wanted to post them anyway. Just in case. These are all shelters in Long Island or nearby that only kill VERY sick animals and are otherwise no-kill.

I hope someone will help. This man that is harassing you sounds like a real peice of work. I'm scared he might do something to hurt the cats. I know you are stuck in a really horrid situation. I don't want you to get into trouble just for caring about these kitties.

If you haven't contacted any of these shelters already, please do. If you have I'm very sorry. The only other thing I can think of is maybe starting a petition? Or writing your newspaper?

The Animal Rescue Fund of the Hamptons

Bide-A-Wee

KENT ANIMAL SHELTER

Little Shelter Animal Rescue and Adoption Center
post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
Yeah i've tried them all, they are booked with cats and have waiting lists. Dont worry the guy knows I know where he lives, and his name, so he would be stupid to try something to those cats. He doesnt know my name,age, or where I live, so thats good. I think he might be crazy or just a cranky old man. Oh yeah and i caught him in a lie.

Him: Ever since you started feeding these cats, 5 have appeared in my backyard.

The truth: 4 months ago before i started feeding them, I asked HIM if anyone owned these cats, he said no, and said he has seen 3-4 around in his yard. what the guy doesnt realize is he admitted seeing them in his yard BEFORE I even got involved feeding them, which means they were there before, and he is just putting the blame on me to try and fix the cat problem in his yard, even though I have nothing to do with it!
post #18 of 27
Ergh! Sneaky creep! Well, no matter what happens what you have been trying to do is wonderfull. It makes me very sad that your efforts have been blocked by fellow humans.
post #19 of 27
Realistically, there are people like that in the world and they can be very dangerous to you and to the cats. There are some positive ways to deal with that kind of person, but confrontation is not one of them. That only tics him off more, and he could take it out on the cats. Also, you are presenting a logical argument, and he is not acting on a logical basis. He is acting out of hatred, and the safest thing to do is to defuse the situation. Best for the cats I mean.

You have gotten a lot of possible organizations here. If those don't work, you may just have to back off so he doesn't constantly see you every day. Maybe then he will forget about the cats and find someone else to pick on.

In the wild, if there is a threat to the babies, a mother cat will lead the predator AWAY from the nest.
post #20 of 27
You do have to get them spayed and neutered but I know you already know that. One thing you can do is make an appointment with the clinic - even if the appointment is months away. Keep the appointment confirmation (whatever they give you, even an email printout) to show anyone who gives you a hard time that you are taking care of them and they have a vet appointment.

In the short term, the most important thing to do is to feed them when he is not awake or around, whenever that would be. Early in the morning or late at night is probably best. Also, make sure to clean up after yourself and them. Feed a modest amount that you know they will consume in 20 minutes or so. Half a cup of dry food and 1/3 of a 5 ounce can per cat is plenty. For dishes, use something that will blend in with the surroundings. Some people use sheets of folded newspaper, which looks like ordinary trash once the cats are done eating. Then you can pick up the trash the next day. For water bowls, the black plastic dishes from takeout or frozen dinners work really well and aren't all that visible.

It's also a good idea to get a copy of the city code to find out for sure if these laws really exist. Sometimes people are threatened with prosecution for violating laws that are literally imaginary. It is important to know your rights and know that if there is no law saying you can't do something, then you are allowed to do it.
post #21 of 27
Bless you for your courage & heart!! I know that at the moment, you don't have much support in your crusade to help these cats, but here's some TCS magic to help you out!! {{{Prayers & vibes}}} for you & the cats! I wish that I were closer, to help out. If you are willing to try to do some recruiting in the neighborhood, maybe the articles from Alley Cat Allies will help: http://www.alleycat.org/resources.html
Have you tried the town or the county tax assessor's office to find the company that owns the railroad? Maybe someone from AlleyCat Allies could give you some tips on what to say when you contact them; maybe even draft a letter for you to send. Also, maybe you could get some free legal aid, just to get a lawyer's advice - you could go to www.nysba.org (New York State Bar Association) or www.lawhelp.org/ny and find an attorney who's willing to donate some pro-bono work. www.animallaw.info has information on the rights of animals, state by state. If worst comes to worst, or you are feeling gutsy, you could contact your local Methodist church and see if the congregation might be willing to help the cats & the homeless people, both very important areas of ministry for the church. I know that my ideas sound "way out" but I feel so badly that you are having to deal with these situation alone. {{{Prayers & vibes}}} for protection & encouragement for the cats & you, and that the mean neighbor gets a change of heart (yeah, that's a big one I know, but hey, miracles can & do happen!) Please keep us posted! :okay: Susan
post #22 of 27
This is what I did one time and you may not get any replies but I did once from a woman who had a huge barn for feral cats and she bought and fed them good quality food and neutered and vaccinated them all and everything. So you never know...there may be a good person out there that is willing to help...

I posted an ad on petfinder.com under pets for adoption simply saying I have a feral/stray cat who needs a home. Tell a little about the cat; looks, temperment, etc. Maybe, just maybe someone out there will come along and help you out. It is a loooong shot and I would certainly contact some of the other people first. But I think it is worth a try, at least in the mean time.

Also, is the cat you feed friendly? Could you trap it and keep it as a pet?
post #23 of 27
Is there any possible way that you can gradually move where you feed the cats, to the forested area?
post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 
I already tried moving they wont budge. Besides raccons and red-tailed hawks live in the forest, so the cats are safer hidden by the railroad, as long as they stay away from the tracks which they do pretty well now.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
Bless you for your courage & heart!! I know that at the moment, you don't have much support in your crusade to help these cats, but here's some TCS magic to help you out!! {{{Prayers & vibes}}} for you & the cats! I wish that I were closer, to help out. If you are willing to try to do some recruiting in the neighborhood, maybe the articles from Alley Cat Allies will help: http://www.alleycat.org/resources.html
Have you tried the town or the county tax assessor's office to find the company that owns the railroad? Maybe someone from AlleyCat Allies could give you some tips on what to say when you contact them; maybe even draft a letter for you to send. Also, maybe you could get some free legal aid, just to get a lawyer's advice - you could go to www.nysba.org (New York State Bar Association) or www.lawhelp.org/ny and find an attorney who's willing to donate some pro-bono work. www.animallaw.info has information on the rights of animals, state by state. If worst comes to worst, or you are feeling gutsy, you could contact your local Methodist church and see if the congregation might be willing to help the cats & the homeless people, both very important areas of ministry for the church. I know that my ideas sound "way out" but I feel so badly that you are having to deal with these situation alone. {{{Prayers & vibes}}} for protection & encouragement for the cats & you, and that the mean neighbor gets a change of heart (yeah, that's a big one I know, but hey, miracles can & do happen!) Please keep us posted! :okay: Susan

wow !!! what a great idea i mean,trying to get help from a local church,thats something that wouldn't have even crossed my mind,after all the cats are gods creatures as well,and they wouldn't have been in that position if it hadn't been for irresponsible pet owners(if only the ignoramus' knew what they have done!!! )they make me soooo angry!!!

best wishes with all your efforts keith
post #26 of 27
I never cease to be amazed at the way some people rationalize cruelty. This empty lot is a dumping ground for homeless cats and homeless people alike... and the longer they stay there, unwanted, isolated, struggling for mere survival, the less chance there is that they can ever regain their balance, rebuild their confidence, and find their way into happier, more comfortable lives.

We who are more fortunate should be reaching out to all of these lost souls, feline and human. And any law that makes it a crime to ease a fellow creature's hunger is a law that needs to be broken.

Keith, I hope there is a true church in your community, one that understands the meaning of "whatsoever you do for the least of these, that you do also for me." Maybe such a church would open its heart to ALL the homeless who share that lot.
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 
I got in contact with the town about the lot, they are checking it out for me, and asking that guy some questions, (dont know what?) If nobody owns it which I doubt anyone does, they may fix it up and get rid of all the garbage and plant a garden. Mabye a kind soul will see the cats and help (I told about the cats I had been feeding), but if they fix it up at least no ordinary person can tresspass anymore, and hopefully not "hang out", which people do right now and have a chance to harm a cat if they wanted to. Think of it this way, if a place is nice looking and has a garden, do you really think it will be a popular hangout for teenagers anymore? I doubt it. Id like to see that guys face if they start plowing and banging and make noise that it irratates him, and mabye ask about the cats to him. Ha ha he cant complain to Local Authorities in the manner like he did to me, he will have to grin and bear it now.
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