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Halloween Gets Tricked At Schools

post #2 of 28
Fun and childhood are getting to be mutually exclusive. Why not just set up little cubicles for them too, so they can't be distracted by other people in the classroom too?
post #3 of 28
Yes, why don't we just take all of the fun out of children's lives. Heaven forbid kids should have a little fun in their lives.
The schools are so moronic they make me ill, SOME schools.
Let's put blinders on them also.
What is wrong with people?
Someone is always going to complain, should we all have to cow-tow to the complainers?
Halloween has religious overtones. Come on.
post #4 of 28
I can understand the pros and cons, but feel that the kids are being cheated of another opportunity for school to be just plain fun. Since so many towns aren't allowing trick or treating due to concerns for kids' safety, one of the few places they can enjoy Halloween is at school, too.
post #5 of 28
Bunch of foolishness! Why is it that all of a sudden there is something "wrong" with every holiday? Halloween is all about dressing up as your favourite character of sorts and having fun, getting treats, and (depending on the school) having a Halloween Party and playing games. When did it come to be about religion? It sure wasn't when I was a kid.
post #6 of 28
FWIW here's The History Channel's take on the history and evolution of Halloween.

While religion did figure in its origins, that's hardly what the event is about these days. What's wrong with kids having a little fun, for crying out loud?
post #7 of 28
That's just nuts! Let kids have fun for crying out loud. I just finished watching the Halloween episode of King of the Hill, which deals with this issue in a very funny way- I recommend it!
post #8 of 28
Why do adults insist upon letting politics suck the fun out of everything in the world. It hurts me that they would let it take down a favorite childhood tradition.

On a separate note, the school of the kid I watch tried to teach and did not permit costumes, for an undisclosed reason (aka 'It's distracting!'). I don't even know why they would bother preventing Halloween. I just tried doing homework with an 8 year old this afternoon...yeah, that was quite bright of the teacher. These schools are just shooting themselves in the foot.

But then again, with all these standardized tests and the damn No Child Left Behind Act, every single second of these kids' lives is now dedicated to cramming their heads full of facts. And, unrelated to NCLB, cramming their free seconds full of activities (that they may or may not like) so they can get into a good high school/college/etc. It's sick. What happened to things like capture the flag and riding bikes?
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
Why do adults insist upon letting politics suck the fun out of everything in the world. It hurts me that they would let it take down a favorite childhood tradition.
That's interesting. I was listening to our local radio station on the way to work yesterday and they were talking about how Halloween costumes are more political in the US, i.e., Bush costumes, etc. whereas in Canada we just dress for lots of fun.
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
That's interesting. I was listening to our local radio station on the way to work yesterday and they were talking about how Halloween costumes are more political in the US, i.e., Bush costumes, etc. whereas in Canada we just dress for lots of fun.
Well, the costumes I saw at the Mall last night (no trick or treaters, so we went out) were no where near political. I saw a lot of superheros (especially cute was a little ~2 year old Batman), a boatload of princesses, with the vast majority not in those two categories being witches and vampires. I think there are adults and perhaps older teens who dress as political figures (or to make a point), but I don't see it with the kids.
post #11 of 28
I heard a popular costume this year is Donald Trump.

post #12 of 28
Why cancel it in the schools when all the kids want is candy??
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I don't remember anything remotely religious about Halloween when I was in school! We brought our costumes and had a party the last half of the day in elementary school, played games, ate cookies, and brought home a bunch of candy that my mom didn't have to worry about checking before I ate it. I don't remember the costumes being "distracting" in high school where we didn't really have parties but dressed up. Gosh, we always had a "School Spirit Week" where everyone wore a different sort of goofy outfit every day that week, and nobody got "distracted." It's just the stuffy uptight administration who can't stand to see the kids having any fun. Don't a lot of companies, where some of those kids will be working after they graduate, have office Halloween parties???

Amber
post #14 of 28
My kids didn't get to dress up at school, but I dressed up for work! How backwards is that!

The kids can dress up NEXT Monday, as their favorite character from a book. Guess what, my kids will be the same as Halloween-the Thing and a Hippee. I just need to think of a book with a hippee in it.

I don't like how everything has to be so structured. I dislike taking away Halloween, and having Fall Festival instead. I dislike not having any Christmas songs sung at the December concert, and just taking away all the American holidays. What's next? Take away Thanksgiving?
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Originally Posted by Beckiboo
and a Hippee. I just need to think of a book with a hippee in it.
ummmm. The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe?

But then again that may not be grade school appropriate...
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
ummmm. The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe?

But then again that may not be grade school appropriate...
LOL Well, my first thought was Go Ask Alice - which is DEFINITELY not age appropriate!
post #17 of 28
I don't consider halloween religious, however I know that there are some religions that do not celebrate halloween because it is against their religion to do so. And I do think that public institutions should take pains to remove anything that can be considered even remotely religious from the school. If I were of a religion that did not celebrate halloween and my child had to be subjected to it I would protest as well. School is for learning. They can participate in the halloween stuff after school.

That would be like them taking something that your religion believes is morally wrong and then parading all over town with it and encouraging your kid to do it! I could see that being offensive to me!
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by valanhb
LOL Well, my first thought was Go Ask Alice - which is DEFINITELY not age appropriate!
Probably any book that's a biography of a 60's/70's band, but that's not going to be age appropriate either !

Well, Hallowe'en is a Wiccan holiday (Samhain, also called the "Witch's New Year",) but since one of the basic tenets of Wicca is tolerance, I hardly think you'll see any of them kicking up a fuss about Christmas for instance. Part of the problem is that most of these are, fer cryin' out loud, HOLIDAYS ("holy days") which means that SOMEwhere in there it had some sort of religious roots.

I'm still waiting for the repercussions from fundamentalist religions when they figure out the days of the week are named after pagan gods :.
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by RoseHawke
Well, Hallowe'en is a Wiccan holiday (Samhain, also called the "Witch's New Year",) but since one of the basic tenets of Wicca is tolerance, I hardly think you'll see any of them kicking up a fuss about Christmas for instance. Part of the problem is that most of these are, fer cryin' out loud, HOLIDAYS ("holy days") which means that SOMEwhere in there it had some sort of religious roots.
I have a beef with wicca. The beef is that people always SAY that wicca is an age olde religion full of all sorts of historic goodness. This is simply NOT true.

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca
"Wicca is a Neopagan religion that is found in many English-speaking countries and several other countries as well. It was originally founded by the British civil servant Gerald Gardner most likely in the 1940s, but was first openly revealed in 1954."

Basically it is a rebirth of sorts of ancient religions, it is not, in itself fundamentally the owner of Hallowe'en/Samhain, as that was a holy day long before Wicca existed.

but back OT: While Halloween has religious roots, it has long been simply an american greetings holiday. Waht's next, no Valentines day because it's a catholic holy day?
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by valanhb
LOL Well, my first thought was Go Ask Alice - which is DEFINITELY not age appropriate!
Oooh. Good book too! I read and re-read it in high school!!
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by RoseHawke
Well, Hallowe'en is a Wiccan holiday (Samhain, also called the "Witch's New Year",) but since one of the basic tenets of Wicca is tolerance, I hardly think you'll see any of them kicking up a fuss about Christmas for instance..
I don't really have a problem with Wiccas embracing Samhain (Sow-en) but they didn't "invent" it per se.
It was the beginning of the Celtic New Year over 1500 years ago.
post #22 of 28
I've got to say I have mixed feelings about this one. We no longer allow public prayer in our schools. Merry Christmas is Happy Holidays. Why should it be ok to dress up as a devil and go to school? On the other hand... its all in fun... or is it?
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by turtlecat
<snip>...but back OT: While Halloween has religious roots, it has long been simply an american greetings holiday. Waht's next, no Valentines day because it's a catholic holy day?
Probably . Actually I do seem to remember someone or other complaining about, and yes, cancelling Valentine's day as a "religious" holiday.

(FWIW most of the Wiccans I have spoken with know good and well it's more in the nature of a "re-created" religion. These folk would be older and presumably wiser though, I have no idea WHAT the kids think ...)

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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
I don't really have a problem with Wiccas embracing Samhain (Sow-en) but they didn't "invent" it per se.
It was the beginning of the Celtic New Year over 1500 years ago.
Ummmm, rather like Christianity pasting Christmas over Solstice and Yule I s'pose. It was handy and it was already there .

I have no problem at all with religious holidays, or secular holidays or ANY holidays for that matter (always a good excuse!) But if a public institution such as a school were to embrace ANY, then to be absolutely fair they should embrace them ALL and I bet EVERY day is some sort of a holiday or holy day. My understanding is that schools are already having time constraints with the NCLB fiasco and all the testing and whatnot involved with that.
post #24 of 28
Along these lines, my co-worker and I were talking about this. She said her daughter asked why we celebrate Halloween and she had no idea. She said I was probably the only person she knows who does know the real origins of Halloween.

Is it just in fun? Yes! Kids don't know or care what the origins of it 1500 or 200 years ago were. They like dressing up, being silly, and getting candy. I would guess the same goes for the vast majority of the adults who do anything for Halloween too.

In response to Denise's post about Wicca not being that old, but having taken over Halloween, etc. I so agree. I'm pagan but not Wiccan. Wicca is a part of paganism, but is not the same as every other form of paganism. That would be like saying all Christians must be Catholic because they get the most publicity. Paganism has been around for thousands of years, and is older than Christianity. Pretty much all of the Christian holidays were based on the pagan calendar, including Halloween (Samhein), Christmas (Winter Solstace), and Easter (Spring Solstace).
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by valanhb
<snip>...I'm pagan but not Wiccan. Wicca is a part of paganism, but is not the same as every other form of paganism. That would be like saying all Christians must be Catholic because they get the most publicity. Paganism has been around for thousands of years, and is older than Christianity. Pretty much all of the Christian holidays were based on the pagan calendar, including Halloween (Samhein), Christmas (Winter Solstace), and Easter (Spring Solstace).
Slightly OT --- Ditto, I once had to explain to a young Wiccan that I was not (Wiccan) and that "Although all Wiccans are pagan, not all Pagans are Wiccan." I left him chewing on that for a while. I'm not sure if he ever figured it out, LOL
post #26 of 28
Why am I not surprised? People just don't want kids to be kids any more in general I don't think. They want them to be little adults. It makes me sad, that between all the homework they send home with kindergarders (my cousin's kid regularly has an hour of homework every night) and the canceling of school holiday parties kids today just don't get a chance to be kids anymore. They're schedules are just as packed as their parents.

All I can say is when I have children if the school doesn't want to celebrate Halloween that's fine. I'll call in and tell the school the kids are sick so they can stay home and have a fun time watching It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown and such. (And yes I feel that way about any traditionally celebrated holiday.)
post #27 of 28
Whew! I'm so happy that I didn't get my arse handed to me on that one, but as someone who regularly had to deal with the teenagers that went "I'm a Witch, I'm a member of X coven that I made up with my friends, and we practice behind the mall in a grove down there and Wicca is the oldest religion..... okie-bai!" I've just gotten a little leery or the my princess pony wiccans that are so prevalent where white collar baptist parents are involved. (amusing, though, isn't it.)

I went through my own little hunt for religion, and there was a breif and somewhat embarrassing stint with Wicca that was given up when I did research and figured out that it wasn't all that I was told it was, LOL.

That said, most religious holidays are multidenominational so I'm to the point that I think that not allowing little kids to have their fun and make hand turkeys is just absurd.
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by turtlecat
<snip>... the my princess pony wiccans ...<snip>
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