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post #1 of 29
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http://newsobserver.com/news/story/2...-9272692c.html

I'm not sure I have an opinion on this, but it still seemed like an opinion section kind of thing. It was interesting anyway.

I guess if it were one of my pets I'd be a little sad.
post #2 of 29
How sad. At least the owner of the pet cemetary is treating the animals with the respect they deserve.
post #3 of 29
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Originally Posted by valanhb
How sad. At least the owner of the pet cemetary is treating the animals with the respect they deserve.
Thats very true, I hadn't really thought of it that way.
post #4 of 29
Two quotes come to mind when looking at this.....

1. "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - M. Gandhi

and

2. "You Can tell a lot about a civilization by the way they treat their dead"


You don't desecrate a final resting spot...End of story...Its completly besides the point if he is moving them with respect while "moving" them...The fact is he Plowed over their final resting place...that is such disrespect..IMO
post #5 of 29
If that was a human cemetary it wouldn't have happened..it shouldn't make a difference that pets are buried there. It's a sacred place.
post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by Miss Mew
If that was a human cemetary it wouldn't have happened..it shouldn't make a difference that pets are buried there. It's a sacred place.
Both you and Bridget are right, morally. Legally, though, it's a different story. Sad, isn't it? To me, it sounds like the land was sold out from under the man who is running the Pet Cemetary. Because it wasn't human remains, legally they probably could have built right over the top of it. That's why I said what I did...he is doing the best he can under the circumstances, IMO.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Both you and Bridget are right, morally. Legally, though, it's a different story. Sad, isn't it? To me, it sounds like the land was sold out from under the man who is running the Pet Cemetary. Because it wasn't human remains, legally they probably could have built right over the top of it. That's why I said what I did...he is doing the best he can under the circumstances, IMO.

No i understand why you said it...no reason to explain ...I understand the legalities.........

But its just not right......
post #8 of 29
This is one of the reasons I had Melichus cremated --- and have the urn. Since I plan cremation for myself as well when the time comes and want my ashes scattered in some remote forest (to be determined ) I guess we'll be together forever. Although Sunny says he's not going to do that, he's going to keep us on the mantel and then bequeath all of us to his nephew (That'll be quite a collection!)
post #9 of 29
Twenty-five years ago, Tucson's pet cemetery was sold to a developer (there's a shopping center there, now) and the pet owners were told that they had to remove their pets, at their own expense. My boss, at the time, led a class-action lawsuit, to make the cemetery owners pay for the relocations. The pet owners won and one of the people cemeteries set aside a portion of their property, for a pet cemetery.
post #10 of 29
That was nice of the "Human" cemetary owners........

That wouldnt of had to happen though if it wasn't for the fact that animals get treated like property.....Its like buying a house with a pool, and then diggin up the pool....thats what they are treating this like....disgusting

I want my cats to live forever....but if they don't I will cremate them and make them into diamonds
post #11 of 29
reasons like this just go to show i was right in having scamper cremeated and she is with me on the bedroom dresser actually
post #12 of 29
If you buy a plot in a people cemetary, can you bury pets in it? For example if I buy 4 plots and use one for me, one for my **future** husband (still looking) and use the other two for my pets can I do that? I mean if I bought and paid for them. I want to be buried next to my animals that have gone to the RB.
post #13 of 29
Actually, just to clarify, I believe the same thing can be done with human cemeteries. I know of several that were "relocated" to allow developments to proceed. Soooooo . . . at least human graves and animal graves are disrespected equally? Or something?

My personal opinion is that if it were a cemetery housing the remains of one of my family members I wouldn't be at all disturbed. Again, just me personally, I really don't place any value on the body once the spirit has left it. I would be perfectly content if it were legal to just toss my body to the scavengers when I die, I'm that blase (I actually intend to have my body donated to a medical school, which is more practical anyway ;P). However, I'm well aware that many people do not share my attitude, and would instead find the disruption of a loved one's grave to be horrifying; I am very sympathetic to those in that position.
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by Roxy_loves_CJ
If you buy a plot in a people cemetary, can you bury pets in it? For example if I buy 4 plots and use one for me, one for my **future** husband (still looking) and use the other two for my pets can I do that? I mean if I bought and paid for them. I want to be buried next to my animals that have gone to the RB.
I'd be willing to bet it varies from State to State or even from local jurisdiction to local jurisdiction. I'll also bet that in many cemeteries it wouldn't be allowed, probably because there are dorks who would be affronted by having to be neighbors in death to a dog and his dad (owner, that is). Maybe there are specialty ones that allow it? And, here's a thought, maybe there is a rule against having the actual body of your pet with you, but NOT one against having your pet's ashes put in an urn and placed in your coffin . . .. Hmmmmm.
post #15 of 29
Most places don't allow pets to be buried with people. When Bill's mother died, she had a very old cat. Bill's sister had the cat PTS and cremated. When noone was looking, she slipped the cremains container into her mother's casket.
post #16 of 29
i think it's horrid how cats and all animals for that matter are treated with such disrespect when they pass on, however, i do believe the owner did the best he could given the situation and if one of my babies had been buried there i would have been sad but relieved to get the remains back.

there isn't always huge respect for human remains either, in my hometown Bunbury they started bulding a new centerlink or welfare office near an old park and soon discovered numerous bodies buried there but they didn't stop the construction at all, they are trying to fix the situation now but i think it's inexcusable.

here's the link to the story -

http://abc.net.au/news/items/200510/1488241.htm?wa


felicia
post #17 of 29
I don't know...I just think that it doesn't show a whole lot of respect to the family of the people or animals who have passed on. For me, it wouldn't be the physical body being disturbed that is bothersome, but it is the fact that having to move these remains or watch the remains be built upon is a gruesome process for many related individuals. I have more respect for people than to put them through such a process.
post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by Obi
Actually, just to clarify, I believe the same thing can be done with human cemeteries. I know of several that were "relocated" to allow developments to proceed. Soooooo . . . at least human graves and animal graves are disrespected equally? Or something?

My personal opinion is that if it were a cemetery housing the remains of one of my family members I wouldn't be at all disturbed. Again, just me personally, I really don't place any value on the body once the spirit has left it. I would be perfectly content if it were legal to just toss my body to the scavengers when I die, I'm that blase (I actually intend to have my body donated to a medical school, which is more practical anyway ;P). However, I'm well aware that many people do not share my attitude, and would instead find the disruption of a loved one's grave to be horrifying; I am very sympathetic to those in that position.

I was reading your post and something came to mind........

We all know...at least if you live in the US....the taboos of building on or disrupting a Native American Burial ground....We all have heard the curses and tales therein.........

I know that Native Americans were spiritual, and like you didn't put much backing in the body once the soul was released......Yet they described their burial grounds as Hallowed and sacred ground........

You can believe the stories or not of desecration on Native American burial grounds....but the stories have come from somewhere........This is because native americans believed a burial to be the last show of respect that they could give someone they loved or admired......

You can believe in heaven and hell...or you can be an athiest....in either case respect "should" be a universal term....Regardless whether you believe that the body carries anything after death is beside the point.......They were buried out of respect...because they were loved an admired.......Diggin them up like this is the worst kind of disrespect.
post #19 of 29
We have a house that was built on top of a cemetery in the 15th century. We know approximately when the house was built due to old drawings and town records, and that it was built over the cemetery, but not how old the cemetery was at the time. I assume it was decided that nothing was left to desecrate. We've never told our tenants about the cemetery, and nobody has reported anything strange there.
That's not as strange as it sounds. Most graves are recycled here after 10 - 15 years, or 30 at the latest.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by jcat
We have a house that was built on top of a cemetery in the 15th century. We know approximately when the house was built due to old drawings and town records, and that it was built over the cemetery, but not how old the cemetery was at the time. I assume it was decided that nothing was left to desecrate. We've never told our tenants about the cemetery, and nobody has reported anything strange there.
That's not as strange as it sounds. Most graves are recycled here after 10 - 15 years, or 30 at the latest.

interesting.....
post #21 of 29
About moving human cemetaries;

Im sure they would move human graves too. Im my hometown history there was once a grave yard where a church stands now. They moved the graves to a current cemetary in a special section for them and put a plaque in front of the church. Sadly the plaque got broken and vandalized over time and they removed it but it was nice while it lasted.

The article makes me wonder tho. If something was going to happen to sakura I was going to put her in the pet cemetary in my area but i dont think i would do that if one day they would dig her back up again. It gives me chills.
post #22 of 29
That is just awful. I don't understnad why anyone would want to do that
post #23 of 29
A developer bought the land

This land is needed more for people than for animals - after all those with 16 kids and wanting more NEED homes! THEY don't care about your beloved Pets being dug up. THEY want the land for homes, so their kids can keep on having 16 or more kids a peice!
post #24 of 29
That's awful!
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Obi
Actually, just to clarify, I believe the same thing can be done with human cemeteries. I know of several that were "relocated" to allow developments to proceed. Soooooo . . . at least human graves and animal graves are disrespected equally? Or something?

My personal opinion is that if it were a cemetery housing the remains of one of my family members I wouldn't be at all disturbed. Again, just me personally, I really don't place any value on the body once the spirit has left it. I would be perfectly content if it were legal to just toss my body to the scavengers when I die, I'm that blase (I actually intend to have my body donated to a medical school, which is more practical anyway ;P). However, I'm well aware that many people do not share my attitude, and would instead find the disruption of a loved one's grave to be horrifying; I am very sympathetic to those in that position.
Well me too. I've always said that when i die i'd like to used as fertilizer in my own garden... BUT i think that they should have at least had a commemorative ceremony. You know like maybe they could have packaged a small plot of land from each grave and had a sort of remembrance ceremony. OR even offered to exhume the bones and have them cremated or something... Just as a token... I'm sure a lot of people would have appreaciated that be it human or animal.
post #26 of 29
OK, since that seems to be the second person who misunderstood my post, I feel the need to point out the last line of my original: "However, I'm well aware that many people do not share my attitude, and would instead find the disruption of a loved one's grave to be horrifying; I am very sympathetic to those in that position." Obviously this was not clear enough, and was perhaps misconstrued to mean "I feel badly for you but tough luck". Sympathy means that I feel for them and think those feelings should be taken into account. So, if the people who paid to have their loved ones buried there are upset, of course I think something should be done for them and their voices should be heard. I was just trying to say that that if it were me, I would not be bothered by it.
post #27 of 29
It is sad...

Our family pets who have passed have been buried at our cottage. Even if we move, the cottage won't. I don't think it will ever be sold out of the family.

By the way, I love the new avatars I'm seeing! I especially love scamperfarms, and missmew
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by Obi
OK, since that seems to be the second person who misunderstood my post, I feel the need to point out the last line of my original: "However, I'm well aware that many people do not share my attitude, and would instead find the disruption of a loved one's grave to be horrifying; I am very sympathetic to those in that position." Obviously this was not clear enough, and was perhaps misconstrued to mean "I feel badly for you but tough luck". Sympathy means that I feel for them and think those feelings should be taken into account. So, if the people who paid to have their loved ones buried there are upset, of course I think something should be done for them and their voices should be heard. I was just trying to say that that if it were me, I would not be bothered by it.
Hey... i didn't misunderstand... but i think i may not have sounded like i understood in my last post... sorry
post #29 of 29
A developer bought the land... What does that mean? Did the pet cemetary owner willingly sell or was he a victim of eminent domain?

If I bought a plot I would believe that it would be there for a long time, hence the phrase "final resting place."

Very sad...
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