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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
as grain free kibbles go, what does everybody think about this one? i like that it has much less fruit/veggie ingredients than EVO.

Serengeti Herbal Felid Dietâ„¢
Ingredients:
Chicken Meal, Fresh Chicken, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract). Low Ash Salmon Meal, Potatoes, Sardine/Mackerel/Anchovy/Tuna Oils (preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract) Eggs, Dried Chicken Liver, Dried Whole Milk, Dried Whey Extract, Kelp, Alfalfa Leaf, Casein, DL – Methionine, Potassium Chloride, Lecithin, Taurine, Lysine, Carnitine, Choline Chloride, Creatine, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Bifidobacterium Thermophilum Fermentation, Bifidobacterium Longum Fermentation Product, Enterbacter Faecium Fermentaion Product, Bacillus Subtillus Fermentation Product, Blueberries, Cranberries, Mixed Tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Thiamine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera Extract.
post #2 of 19
looks good what are it s stats??
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
Protein: 38%
Fat: 18%
Fiber: 2.5%
Moisture: 9%
ASH: 5%
Kcal/kg: 3,980
OMEGA-6 FATTY ACIDS: 3.4%
OMEGA-3 FATTY ACIDS: 1.2%
CALCIUM: 1.4%
PHOSPHOROUS: 1.1
VITAMIN A: 22,000 IU/KG
VITAMIN D: 1,200 IU/KG
VITAMIN E: 350 IU/KG
COPPER: 16mg/KG
post #4 of 19
Chicken meal is still the first ingredient though. Isn't that all the leftover parts of the bird ground up? Or am I confusing it with by-products?
Otherwise, it looks good. I'll see if it's available where I live.
post #5 of 19
Not bad, not bad at all. The *only* thing I'd quibble with is the alfalfa..here is why click here
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by pushylady
Chicken meal is still the first ingredient though. Isn't that all the leftover parts of the bird ground up? Or am I confusing it with by-products?
Otherwise, it looks good. I'll see if it's available where I live.
Chicken meal means chicken that has been ground - quality of it can vary company to company depending on the amount of bone and connective tissue and meat in the mix.
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
pushylady... i cant find the link that i am thinking of right now, but as i understand it chicken meal is the rendered product of clean flesh excluding feathers and heads and stuff. some people prefer to see "meal" listed over just plain "chicken" because much of the weight of chicken meat is water, and meal is the meat with the water removed.

the alfalfa... thats an interesting link! its also interesting that so many raw diets advocate the use of alfalfa as a mineral suppliment... just goes to show that what is good for some beasts is not necessarily good for all.


personally, id like to see some catfoods made much more basic. cant we have a grain free kibble that is made a few simple species appropriate foods minus all of the extras?
post #8 of 19
Serengeti has been available here for several months, and my cats love it. Thus far there haven't been any allergy problems. The only problem I can see with it is that it comes in huge bags, I suppose because it was developed for big cats like cougars, tigers, etc.. I've found a supplier here who will break down the big bags (35 lbs.), but I don't know for how long. Is it offered in small bags in your area?
post #9 of 19
Now if only someone here carried it ... Zoey needs more protein...
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by jcat
Serengeti has been available here for several months, and my cats love it. Thus far there haven't been any allergy problems. The only problem I can see with it is that it comes in huge bags, I suppose because it was developed for big cats like cougars, tigers, etc.. I've found a supplier here who will break down the big bags (35 lbs.), but I don't know for how long. Is it offered in small bags in your area?
i tried to search for this online, & got nowhere. where do you get it?
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by laureen227
i tried to search for this online, & got nowhere. where do you get it?
This page might help you. http://www.timberwolforganics.com/cg...pg=ste_dealloc There's also an online store at that site. I'm getting it from a German supplier, www.bestfordogs.de ,but the company only imports the 33 lb. bags. I believe they're the sole suppliers here.
post #12 of 19
Serengeti was available in Europe for a short period, but there are some problems at the moment importing it to Europe Some of my cats liked it very much..
I used to give Innova and was very happy with it, was very cheerful with the introduction of EVO, but unfortunately Innova isn't available here anymore too, so there's a little change Innova EVO will be sold here
Germany and the USA have so much better food then here in The Netherlands..
post #13 of 19
Are any of these better than the Nutro Natural Choice that i`ve been buying for my cats???
Linda
post #14 of 19
They sell a 16 pound bag and a 4 pound bag, it looks like.

Funny how the nearest place I can get it is Evansville, Indiana of all places! You'd think if it were availible in this country, you could get it here!! (Which is normally how these things work...I'm such a spoiled brat!)
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
They sell a 16 pound bag and a 4 pound bag, it looks like.

Funny how the nearest place I can get it is Evansville, Indiana of all places! You'd think if it were availible in this country, you could get it here!! (Which is normally how these things work...I'm such a spoiled brat!)
I know of two pet retailers in the Chicago area, I think both carry cat items including food, and would imagine they would consider special ordering/adding this if they don't carry it. If you want their contact email (not sure if I have store addresses or not) please pm me.
post #16 of 19
It depends on if the Natural choice is working ... it is a good food I feed it to my kittys and my dog .... I do mix with other foods as I have found personally found no food works 100% for every body....
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by stampit3d
Are any of these better than the Nutro Natural Choice that i`ve been buying for my cats???
Linda
In my opinion they use a lot of grains, and that's what I want to avoid. Grains = Carbs and are the cause of lot of allergies, obesitas en bad stool.
But Nutro is without artificial preservatives and additives so thats a pro
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by Dani
Serengeti was available in Europe for a short period, but there are some problems at the moment importing it to Europe Some of my cats liked it very much..
I used to give Innova and was very happy with it, was very cheerful with the introduction of EVO, but unfortunately Innova isn't available here anymore too, so there's a little change Innova EVO will be sold here
Germany and the USA have so much better food then here in The Netherlands..
I still miss Innova and California Natural. There is an online shop in Germany that has a couple of decent brands, like Solid Gold, Nutro, and Eagle Pack Holistic, that will ship to The Netherlands (€4.90 for shipping, and you have to pay by credit card): www.zooplus.de If you feed canned food, I can recommend the almo nature, Cosma, and Schesir. Grau is pretty good, too.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by jcat
I still miss Innova and California Natural. There is an online shop in Germany that has a couple of decent brands, like Solid Gold, Nutro, and Eagle Pack Holistic, that will ship to The Netherlands (€4.90 for shipping, and you have to pay by credit card): www.zooplus.de If you feed canned food, I can recommend the almo nature, Cosma, and Schesir. Grau is pretty good, too.
I order a lot at zooplus, they are great! Indeed Solid Gold and Almo Nature (kibble) and catlitter (I'm not really fond of Eagle Pack..)
Also tatzenfutter.au sell a very good brand: artemis & evolve, but they don't work with creditcards unfortunately so it takes longer..
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