Men and neutering!

jennyr · Oct 14, 2005

That title got you? Well, I have just had a terrible row with my housemate, John, who is not a cat person, though he lets the cats sit on him when he watches TV, which is just about every minute he is in the house. This morning at dawn I was woken up by terrible cat screams outside, and when I went down I found the outdoor cat, Cisco, facing down a white-faced tabby I have never seen before. When they saw me they both ran off, but John, whose room is on the ground floor, was awake and angry. He blamed it on me, because I caught and neutered Cisco a month or two back, and now, John says, 'he is no longer a cat and cannot defend his territory'! It is made worse by the fact that last night I caught another feral, who is now in the laundry room waiting for vet Haris to come and collect him for neutering this morning. Why do men feel that way? Do they really take it so personally?

emb_78 · Oct 14, 2005

Originally Posted by jennyranson

That title got you? Well, I have just had a terrible row with my housemate, John, who is not a cat person, though he lets the cats sit on him when he watches TV, which is just about every minute he is in the house. This morning at dawn I was woken up by terrible cat screams outside, and when I went down I found the outdoor cat, Cisco, facing down a white-faced tabby I have never seen before. When they saw me they both ran off, but John, whose room is on the ground floor, was awake and angry. He blamed it on me, because I caught and neutered Cisco a month or two back, and now, John says, 'he is no longer a cat and cannot defend his territory'! It is made worse by the fact that last night I caught another feral, who is now in the laundry room waiting for vet Haris to come and collect him for neutering this morning. Why do men feel that way? Do they really take it so personally?

MEN!!!

scamperfarms · Oct 14, 2005

they take it so personally IMO cause they are so protective over their own bits. my dad nearly had a FIT when i had cowboy (now his boy) gelded. he understood WHY it needed to be done but he said "now hes not a man" yes he is...lordi i dont know what part of "animals dont think of it like we do" he didnt get. Steve understands...and tells me do whats best for the critters. but he coddled LG and Halen when they came home. and he will be doing the same for Arthur i am sure..lol but did he coddle the girls?! NOOOOOO

roxy_loves_cj · Oct 14, 2005

No longer a cat?!?! How does that even make sense? Bah, some men I swear. everything goes back to men parts with them. Can a girl cat not defend her territory? How does not having the ability to reproduce make them less able to defend their territory? I know of course it makes them less agressive sure, but if they feel threatened, then out come the claws and they defend themselves and their territory...

Bah, dont even get me started. Men!!!!

jennyr · Oct 15, 2005

Well, Haris has now been and taken Sox ( because he is a tabby with 4 white socks) and all is quiet. I would love it if some men would answer this thread and put their point of view, or try and explain why some of their gender feel like that.

charcoal · Oct 15, 2005

I don't know, my man was all for it for our three.

kev · Oct 15, 2005

So does this mean as a man who was doctored a few years ago, that I cant defend my territory - my space? Not a chance. Its just a line, its IMO rubbish. It was someone who was uptight and it will go away. Too many men think with the one part of their bodies and not use the brain in their head. It makes no difference to me or to a cat, I have seen my cats stand face to face with a neighbours cat and not budge and inch and they have been done.
If he wants to stop chaos and mayhem singing to each other on a night, ask him to buy a water pistol or just throw a cup of cold water outside, then close window and go back to bed. Safe, no hassles, let em sing elsewhere in their nocturnal ways......
Kev
Doctored and dangerous!!

blueyedgirl5946 · Oct 15, 2005

Thanks Kev, for a man's opinion on this. I agree, it is rubbish. Both my male cats are outdoors, confined in a fence and enclosure. However, if need be, I know they would stand their ground as they have been very aggressive at times toward what was on the other side of the fence.

evnshawn · Oct 15, 2005

Originally Posted by Charcoal

I don't know, my man was all for it for our three.

Mine too. But apparently some men are ... clueless. Maybe they are subconsciously worried about themselves, like the next thing we will ask is for THEM to become eunuchs.

bigkittendaddy · Oct 15, 2005

Hi Jenny, Howard here and I cant't really give you an answer because neutering my pets always seemed like the right thing to do. Do you women ever feel odd about spaying female pets? Just wondering. By the way how are Nappy and Wellington doing?

captiva · Oct 15, 2005

Is it possibly a cultural thing? I didn't know if John was from Bosnia or not. Frustrating all the same. Good for you for capturing another feral, but I hope no more show up at your place.

talon · Oct 15, 2005

Nope - no bad feelings here on getting my girls spayed.

marie-p · Oct 15, 2005

Originally Posted by BigKittenDaddy

Hi Jenny, Howard here and I cant't really give you an answer because neutering my pets always seemed like the right thing to do. Do you women ever feel odd about spaying female pets? Just wondering. By the way how are Nappy and Wellington doing?

No problems here.
Sometimes I wish I could get spayed too. (darn hormones!!)
(ok, not really, I would like to have kids some day)

cyberkitten · Oct 15, 2005

Gosh, his remarks don't even make sense! Tell him he does not understand cats and to grow up!

februa · Oct 15, 2005

Originally Posted by kev

So does this mean as a man who was doctored a few years ago, that I cant defend my territory - my space? Not a chance. Its just a line, its IMO rubbish. It was someone who was uptight and it will go away. Too many men think with the one part of their bodies and not use the brain in their head. It makes no difference to me or to a cat, I have seen my cats stand face to face with a neighbours cat and not budge and inch and they have been done.
If he wants to stop chaos and mayhem singing to each other on a night, ask him to buy a water pistol or just throw a cup of cold water outside, then close window and go back to bed. Safe, no hassles, let em sing elsewhere in their nocturnal ways......
Kev
Doctored and dangerous!!

Well, sorry to play devils advocate, but Kevin unless you have had your testicles removed, this is a completely irrelevant comparison. I apologize profusely if through cancer or something this is what happened (of course also assuming you then did not go on any hormone replacement), but I assume you simply mean vasectomy, which is merely a cutting of a tube so semen can not reach from testicle to penis, not the removal of the testosterone producing testes. I fully support neutering, and both of my boys were neutered young. And ABSOLUTELY this was done in part to reduce their maleness, at least maleness in an animal sense. Yes, I wanted them less aggressive and territorial. Yes I did not want them to roam around. Yes I wanted them not to spray. Yes I wanted them to not display their animalistic male behavior. And yes - neutering worked for this. It is probably absolutely right that that other cat came around in aggression because the original male was neutered. He could no longer mark his territoy, allowing the other cat to move in. Sure he can physically fight with claws and teeth, but in the animal world, this isnt the only way things are done, especially if the one cat in question was NOT neutered (hence the confrontation perhaps). Steroid sex hormones are very very important with regards to behavior and development. Im amazed that so many people are denying this was part of your reason as well. Is it true the only reason you did it is to prevent reproduction, and if you could have kept their testicles through a vasectomy like procedure you would have? Do you honestly think that your cats are as "manly" as they would have been otherwise? I think its appropriately accepted that reducing/eliminating their maleness is a fair trade for the benefits that come with, but dont deny that is what you are doing. As for men blowing this out of proportion, well....fff. Thats just men.

pushylady · Oct 15, 2005

Hmm that's a good point. I honestly did it because it was the responsible thing to do (no reproduction), and I have to admit I didn't delve too much into the whole issue of hormones. I confess I am glad my boys aren't "real" men, they just wouldn't be the loving snugglekins they are today.

Anyways, there's plenty enough tetosterone in the world already.

zoe'n'misskitty · Oct 15, 2005

We don't have any male pets, but my BF has said that if we ever have any they are going to be fixed just like the girls. He seems to understand that animals don't know the difference. But I think he would still feel sorry for a boy cat right after being neutered.
Although....
My step-dad, who is a pro-spay/neuter as anyone I know, got a little mushy when his German Shepherd was neutered. He kept saying "oh, you poor boy! They took them from you, didn't they?" He says he was joking, but it was half serious. Of course, he was all for the operation and wouldn't have left the dog "intact", but he did feel kind of sorry for him for a couple of days.
It's just a man thing. They are quite understandably attached to their own, and project that feeling onto other animals, too. lol

miss mew · Oct 15, 2005

Some guys do feel that way..but then again I've met women that do too. Not here though..Jeff and I know that having pets altered is a smart choice and he didn't take it personally when we had Reilly neutered.

evnshawn · Oct 15, 2005

Originally Posted by Februa

Well, sorry to play devils advocate, but Kevin unless you have had your testicles removed, this is a completely irrelevant comparison. I apologize profusely if through cancer or something this is what happened (of course also assuming you then did not go on any hormone replacement), but I assume you simply mean vasectomy, which is merely a cutting of a tube so semen can not reach from testicle to penis, not the removal of the testosterone producing testes. I fully support neutering, and both of my boys were neutered young. And ABSOLUTELY this was done in part to reduce their maleness, at least maleness in an animal sense. Yes, I wanted them less aggressive and territorial. Yes I did not want them to roam around. Yes I wanted them not to spray. Yes I wanted them to not display their animalistic male behavior. And yes - neutering worked for this. It is probably absolutely right that that other cat came around in aggression because the original male was neutered. He could no longer mark his territoy, allowing the other cat to move in. Sure he can physically fight with claws and teeth, but in the animal world, this isnt the only way things are done, especially if the one cat in question was NOT neutered (hence the confrontation perhaps). Steroid sex hormones are very very important with regards to behavior and development. Im amazed that so many people are denying this was part of your reason as well. Is it true the only reason you did it is to prevent reproduction, and if you could have kept their testicles through a vasectomy like procedure you would have? Do you honestly think that your cats are as "manly" as they would have been otherwise? I think its appropriately accepted that reducing/eliminating their maleness is a fair trade for the benefits that come with, but dont deny that is what you are doing. As for men blowing this out of proportion, well....fff. Thats just men.

You have a point, though actually I believe male cats can still spray after being neutered, which is why you want to neuter them before they've gotten in the habit of it.

All our boys are neutered, of course, and have been forever, but that doesn't stop them getting all huffy if an unknown cat walks close to the house. (Ours are indoors only, so they can't get in fights, but they do the "menacing threat" thing quite convincingly to strange cats on our back deck.

scamperfarms · Oct 15, 2005

Originally Posted by Februa

Well, sorry to play devils advocate, but Kevin unless you have had your testicles removed, this is a completely irrelevant comparison. I apologize profusely if through cancer or something this is what happened (of course also assuming you then did not go on any hormone replacement), but I assume you simply mean vasectomy, which is merely a cutting of a tube so semen can not reach from testicle to penis, not the removal of the testosterone producing testes. I fully support neutering, and both of my boys were neutered young. And ABSOLUTELY this was done in part to reduce their maleness, at least maleness in an animal sense. Yes, I wanted them less aggressive and territorial. Yes I did not want them to roam around. Yes I wanted them not to spray. Yes I wanted them to not display their animalistic male behavior. And yes - neutering worked for this. It is probably absolutely right that that other cat came around in aggression because the original male was neutered. He could no longer mark his territoy, allowing the other cat to move in. Sure he can physically fight with claws and teeth, but in the animal world, this isnt the only way things are done, especially if the one cat in question was NOT neutered (hence the confrontation perhaps). Steroid sex hormones are very very important with regards to behavior and development. Im amazed that so many people are denying this was part of your reason as well. Is it true the only reason you did it is to prevent reproduction, and if you could have kept their testicles through a vasectomy like procedure you would have? Do you honestly think that your cats are as "manly" as they would have been otherwise? I think its appropriately accepted that reducing/eliminating their maleness is a fair trade for the benefits that come with, but dont deny that is what you are doing. As for men blowing this out of proportion, well....fff. Thats just men.

you do make a good point. but however cats will generally still be able to defent their territory. and males can still spray when fixed.

There some some who do not let the hormogne(sp) drives get to them. Case in point, my fixed moggie is twice as agressive as my intact male persian, they are close in age, both still kittens yes. but vet confirmed Ares little boy parts have dropped. Halen is still more apt to be in a snarky mood.

But all said and done you make a point about that. although i know a gelding out at the barn i wouldnt spend much time with..hes overly agressive and mean and territorial and he was not cut late.

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