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Dogs allowed in hotel, but kids aren't!

post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 
A four-star hotel on the Wolfgangsee in Austria, a popular resort, has just announced that while dogs will continue to be welcome, children under twelve are taboo. The owner says he's just invested €4.5 million in the hotel, and kids wreck it.
I've never heard of such a thing. Has anybody else come across hotels/motels that won't accept children? Mind you, I know of a lot of landlords who will accept pets, but no kids. No wonder the population is shrinking in Europe.
post #2 of 33
That is horrible! Dogs can be JUST as destructive (if not moreso!) than kids. And that "dog smell" lingers for a MUCH longer time than "kid smell"!!!
post #3 of 33
Sorry ... I totally agree with the hotel , all my dogs have had far better manners than children under 12...
post #4 of 33
I'd personally much rather deal with dogs than kids. Dogs aren't nearly as loud and rude as a lot of kids.

I see most people have more control of their dogs than their kids.

I've been on flights where I've been constantly kicked in the back by kids and even after politely asking the parents to do something about it, nothing had been done.

Give me the dogs any day.
post #5 of 33
I agree. Most owners who bring their dogs along on a holiday are, by their very nature, good dog owners thus, have control over their dogs..

Most parents are simply obliged to bring their kids along and some let them run rampant when on holiday..I'd much rather see the dogs too.
post #6 of 33
Most dogs obey way, way better than children.

I've seen some really undisciplined, wild dogs; but I have seen MORE really undisciplined, wild KIDS.

And the dogs, at least they seem to not wanna "test" you and push your limits, like kids do.

Ever seen a 2 year old toddler throw a temper tantrum?

Ever seen a dog throw a temper tantrum?

Case rests...
post #7 of 33
I much prefer dogs to children. I live in a pet friendly building, and there are a few children living in here as well. I'm always having problems with the children. They run the halls, scream, yell and makes tons of noise. I'm a day sleeper and I've told those kids over a hundred times, and yet they get their ball and throw against the walls of my apartment, and they laugh and yell as loud as they can while they're doing it. It gets to the point where I have to yell at them to "Be Quiet". Then they go and squirt ketchup all over the outside of my door.

Kids are ten times more destructive than dogs, and they're meaner about it. I would go to a hotel any day that doesn't allow small children.
post #8 of 33
And now for a really important question: Are cats allowed?
post #9 of 33
Just had a thought, since you asked about the cats...and my Mom is VERY allergic...It has never crossed my mind that maybe that`s why she always ends up ill after spending time in motels...maybe there have been cats in their before they stayed in the rooms!!!!!!!!!
I`ll have to mention to her that it might just be her problem!
post #10 of 33
Resorts or hotel not allowing kids are not uncommon.

People go on holiday to relax and many people find it distracting with kids running around and shouting while playing even if they are well behaved or babies crying. The no children policy is sometimes part of the attraction of the place.

In parts of the US, there are places that does not allow young adults during certain times of the year so as to stop spring break college students from going to their hotel/resort.
post #11 of 33
I think it is fair that some hotels should ban kids, some should ban dogs and some should ban smoking in all public rooms. Then people know what to expect and can make their choices accordingly.
post #12 of 33
I have never heard that before! But I do agree, dogs do probably act a lot better than kids - temper tantrums!! That is pretty interesting, what about people with allergies? They should allow cats too! hehe

I'd rather have the dogs tho! But I do understand that it is unfair to the kids too, I definatley understand both sides tho!
post #13 of 33
Thread Starter 
I have to admit that the replies thus far have surprised me a bit. We're a childless, middle-aged couple who like our "peace and quiet", but have always had at least one dog or cat (usually more). I've always thought that pet guardians were more tolerant of dirt, noise, damage, and, in the case of cat guardians, "disobedience", than people who don't have pets. I don't mean that as a reproach, just an observation. I realize that the experience of those living in North America may be different from that of those in some other parts of the world, but my reaction to the "no kids policy" was, "Typically European!" Europe is experiencing an incredible "birth dearth", and I'm beginning to understand the complaints of young couples who feel that society discriminates against those who procreate, and thus hesitate to have kids, because they can't find affordable rentals, day care, or vacation accommodations, since they have to pay top prices if they have kids.
post #14 of 33
I do plan on having children one day, but I don't see anything wrong with a resort saying no children allowed. Believe me when I go on vacation I don't want to have to deal with kids.
post #15 of 33
I always tried to be respectful of other people when our daughter was young and would remove her from a place if she was unruly or making a scene.

If I spent a fair bit of money for a holiday at this point in my life, I would be totally angered if it were spoiled by someone else's spoiled little brat. I know they are "just kids" and they have to have their place too - just not on my vacation thank you. Take them to DisneyWorld where people expect to hang out with lots of kids.

I will however say that I once returned from a business trip with flea bites as the room I stayed in had previously had a lady and her seeing eye dog stay there.
post #16 of 33
Honestly, I have to sympathize with the hotel. I've seen a few well-behaved kids, but it seems like the vast majority (at least where I live, anyway) are little wild creatures with no concept of how to behave around other people.

I've witnessed the same seat-kicking behavior on buses, and when the victim dared to turn around and tell the kid to stop, the mom screamed at her and almost attacked her. I've had parents yell at me for telling their kids not to run around slamming doors in a veterinary clinic, or to stop jumping up and down on the scale. I've seen kids in stores pull stacks of items off shelves, and the parents just look the other way and don't do a thing to pick the stuff up, much less tell their kid to stop.

My dog is well-behaved and I always pick up after her, but because a large number of dog owners don't pick up after their dogs, and allow them to pee and poop all over the place and disturb people, dogs are banned in many places, so I'm very limited in where I can take her.

And now there are even fewer places I can take my dog, since she's afraid of small children because an unsupervised toddler ran up to her when I had her in Petsmart and kicked her. Thankfully, her response was to run away, rather than bite the child's face off (she's a med-large dog, with her head on a level with the child's), or I probably would have been sued for my dog acting to defend herself. I wish I could discipline those parents for risking their child's safety that way, and for the distress they've caused my dog.

I hope to have kids myself, and am tolerant of a normal level of noise, activity and even the occasional tantrum that even a well-behaved kid can throw. But the little monsters whose parents are completely oblivious to the fact their little darlings are terrorizing everyone? Keep 'em away from me, please!

Just like irresponsible dog owners, the parents who allow their children to behave like little monsters are, unfortunately, spoiling things for other parents who care enough to teach their kids how to behave.
post #17 of 33
I don't know...I'm much more distracted and annoyed by children than by dogs. I also think that if it's that ritzy of a hotel, the dogs would, 9 times out of 10, be well groomed and well-trained. Plus, there are god people out there like us, who fret over their furbabies and have to have them come with to have a truly rewarding and relaxing vacation.

Personally, I'd patronze such a hotel. I'd love running into a family with a nice friendly doggie more than I'd like to run into a bunch of running, screaming little children. It's not that I particularly dislike children, but they're not really condusive to relaxation, etc.
post #18 of 33
All i can say is that i worked at a hotel, as a server, for alittle less than a year. On the weekends it was all kids and a few parents, but during the week it was all business men. The difference not only in tips i made on the same bill compaired to when i have business men were astonomical. Not even talking about that the kids were out of control a majority of the time...i cannot tell you how many times i have been yelled at for making a family go back to their room to get shoes on. Because god forbid you would want to protect your feet from all the nasty **** we have all over the floors. We also allowed a few guest to let their dogs stay with them while at the hotel and i never heard a bark or heard a story of a dog messing up a room. I have heard many storys where kids had messed up a room. And i have seen alot of important guests check out and go to a different hotel because of the kids.

Also on a different note i do have to say that it isnt the kids as much as it is their parents that allow their kids to act the way they do. i work in a resturant now where we get alot of kids at that will wander the resturant spinning around in the isle jumping up and down the stairs just acting like kids but because the store is so small its hard to walk around them. And what i love...instead of making the kids sit at the table they yell at them only after they get in our way.

Just a small rant.....maybe if someone does a certifacation like dogs get with Canine Good Citizen. we could do a good human child award or something.
post #19 of 33
I think most people who vacation with their children want family-friendly hotel/resorts that have activities and entertainment for their kids anyway. If they're not going as a family, but just people who happen to have kids along, then it wouldn't be too much of a chore to simply plan ahead and find a hotel that welcomes kids. I'm sure there are a lot of travelers that appreciate a no-kids-allowed hotel--especially if they want to go to the pool and relax without splashing & screaming. Of course, there are adults who behave like that too!

On the other hand, I can see how people with well-behaved children would find it offensive that dogs are considered more tolerable than kids.
post #20 of 33
I would much rather stay at a resort that didn't allow kids. It's amazing the sheer amount of destruction kids cause in the restaurant I work at. Most parents allow their kids to behave horribly. It's tough carrying a tray full of hot soup when you have some kid pulling on your apron and stealing your pens! It's amazing how far a kid can fling their food and how much they can grind into a carpet. There are definately some really wonderful, well-behaved children, but most of the time the parents do not control them. I fully realize that kids will be kids- but some parents are pretty much nuts.

Dogs seem pretty clean for the most part, assuming they don't drag mud all over the place.
post #21 of 33
After reading these responses it doesn't seem so strange that the U.S. also has a birth rate that is just barely at a replacement level.

We don't notice it because new Hispanic immigrants have a birth rate at about ours in the 1960s.
post #22 of 33
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Originally Posted by katie=^..^=
After reading these responses it doesn't seem so strange that the U.S. also has a birth rate that is just barely at a replacement level.

We don't notice it because new Hispanic immigrants have a birth rate at about ours in the 1960s.

I didn't know that.....interesting
post #23 of 33
I guess if they want the place geared towards adults then I wouldn't want kids ruining the 'atmosphere.' And then I can immagine the crowd they are attracting would be the ones who take thier little fancy dogs with them places. Some places just aren't meant for kids and I'm thinking this is one of thoes.
post #24 of 33
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Originally Posted by tuxedokitties
Honestly, I have to sympathize with the hotel. I've seen a few well-behaved kids, but it seems like the vast majority (at least where I live, anyway) are little wild creatures with no concept of how to behave around other people.

I've witnessed the same seat-kicking behavior on buses, and when the victim dared to turn around and tell the kid to stop, the mom screamed at her and almost attacked her. I've had parents yell at me for telling their kids not to run around slamming doors in a veterinary clinic, or to stop jumping up and down on the scale. I've seen kids in stores pull stacks of items off shelves, and the parents just look the other way and don't do a thing to pick the stuff up, much less tell their kid to stop.

My dog is well-behaved and I always pick up after her, but because a large number of dog owners don't pick up after their dogs, and allow them to pee and poop all over the place and disturb people, dogs are banned in many places, so I'm very limited in where I can take her.

And now there are even fewer places I can take my dog, since she's afraid of small children because an unsupervised toddler ran up to her when I had her in Petsmart and kicked her. Thankfully, her response was to run away, rather than bite the child's face off (she's a med-large dog, with her head on a level with the child's), or I probably would have been sued for my dog acting to defend herself. I wish I could discipline those parents for risking their child's safety that way, and for the distress they've caused my dog.

I hope to have kids myself, and am tolerant of a normal level of noise, activity and even the occasional tantrum that even a well-behaved kid can throw. But the little monsters whose parents are completely oblivious to the fact their little darlings are terrorizing everyone? Keep 'em away from me, please!

Just like irresponsible dog owners, the parents who allow their children to behave like little monsters are, unfortunately, spoiling things for other parents who care enough to teach their kids how to behave.
I agree 100%, well said! By the way I have a kid, she's 19 now and I pray when she has kids, she yanks a knot in them when they misbehave. It worked for her.
post #25 of 33
I belong to a special program at a hotel chain for business travellers and while I have noticed children in those hotels, I have not seen them (ever!) on the floors oine accesses only thru an elevator card or key. Mind you, those rooms cost extra (I am assuming - I have been in this program so long I am not certain). I wonder if they deliberately do not allow children but then again who travels on biz with their children (Tho admittedly when I came across trips to interesting places - not with Drs without Borders - for conferences and so forth, I sometimes took my nephew. He is now a senior in univ but he did get to travel with me so I have just disputed my own point. Mind you, he NEVER had a temper tantrum EVER and was and is very well behaved! The teenage yrs were a bit trying at times but I think that's normal, lol After my divorce, I tended to travel alone on biz more or with a woman friend, heheh

I really adore children or I would not be in this profession. But I agree with the hotel and it is not an unusual situation at all and not just in Europe. And dogs and cats ARE much better behaved in general - they certainly listen better, lol The hotel chain I stay at allows cats or I would not stay there b/c YY sometimes comes with me and she has become quite the traveller. You rarely see cats and dogs who travel with their humans and they do tend to be very well behaved!
post #26 of 33
Bring it on! Sounds like my kinda place!
post #27 of 33
Wow, I can't believe it, I agree with the majority here. Much rather be around dogs than most kids. Except for my own, perfect, grandchildren. LOL
post #28 of 33
all for it. nothing ruins a romantic evening faster than having a possibly outcome of the evening rudely screaming past you.
post #29 of 33
I don't see the big deal. It's their hotel and their rules. If they don't want children there then they are going to get a certain clientele that otherwise they wouldn't get IF they allowed children. I have children and I definately wouldn't stay in this hotel...unless I was on vacation w/o them. Then it might be nice to visit a hotel with NO children around. But really I'm sure there are other hotels in the vacinity that DO allow kiddo's.

Also - think about it - how many Bed and breakfasts say NO children.
post #30 of 33
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Originally Posted by CommonOddity042
nothing ruins a romantic evening faster than having a possibly outcome of the evening rudely screaming past you.


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