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Community Reaction to Murder of 18 y/o Father

post #1 of 18
10/14/05 at 3:51am
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"Family torn appart by son's murder"

The above article is about a young father who was killed in a house at the end of my street.

I was just wondering what you all thought about the Community reaction? Would you say anything even if it meant that you could be the next one?!
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post #2 of 18
10/14/05 at 5:41am
I think it is horrible that there are people out there who know who did it but won't come forward!
Does your local policing agency have a tipline where people can give anonymous tips? If that existed, people would not have to fear repercussions for reporting crimes.
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post #3 of 18
10/14/05 at 6:18am
What makes them think they are safe with this guy on the loose even if they don`t tell what they know?
I would report anything I knew...and think any of them should too.
Linda
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post #4 of 18
10/14/05 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
I think it is horrible that there are people out there who know who did it but won't come forward!
Does your local policing agency have a tipline where people can give anonymous tips? If that existed, people would not have to fear repercussions for reporting crimes.
I agree that it is terrible that people do not tell the Police what they know but there is a great gang culture in the area and it is well know for tit-for-tat killings. Information seems to leak from the Police very easiey from what we have seen

You are able to give information ananymously, but in situations like this, they are likely to pull you up for the investigations. Also, due to the area, you do not want to become known as the person who 'told'

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Originally Posted by stampit3d
What makes them think they are safe with this guy on the loose even if they don`t tell what they know?
I would report anything I knew...and think any of them should too.
Linda
They 'think' they are safe because they are not becomming involved and becoming known by the people who do this kind of thing. The sad truth is that if you keep out of it and your nose clean (stay ignorant) then you are not involved and you won't be associated with the case.

I had a visit from the Police around the time and they did ask a lot of questions, not only about the events, man and suspicions, but also about my neighbours. I am not entirely sure what I would do if I had seen anything that I was sure was involved. It also comes to the fact that how can you be sure someone/something is suspicious?!
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post #5 of 18
10/14/05 at 6:43am
Sar, are you scared living on that street now? Be careful and safe!
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post #6 of 18
10/14/05 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
Sar, are you scared living on that street now? Be careful and safe!
Thank you

I'm not particularly scared, more on the vigilant side. However, I experienced a lot worse in the street I used to live in, down the road! I do know that a lot of my neighbours are worried because very few will walk around the area and tend to only answer their door when they know who it is!

It does remind you to keep an eye out and make sure you don't upset the wrong person! *sigh* You never quite know who they are (as I know! )
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post #7 of 18
10/14/05 at 8:27am
If I knew something, I would go to a public phone with gloves on (LOL)
and call it in and NOT say my name.
If they wanted my name I would tell them "no way, your police dept is as corrupt as the criminals" (because that is how it sounds from your post)
Until people start stepping up, however they can, even anonymously, people will have to live in fear.
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post #8 of 18
10/14/05 at 7:41pm
Sar, you need to move! That's all I can say!

I have never lived in a big city, and while I have had crimes happen in towns I lived, that is just too close to home! Move to the burbs, Sar! Or the country!
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post #9 of 18
10/15/05 at 1:12am
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Originally Posted by Beckiboo
Sar, you need to move! That's all I can say!

I have never lived in a big city, and while I have had crimes happen in towns I lived, that is just too close to home! Move to the burbs, Sar! Or the country!
I came from the country and have never wanted to live in the city. The thing is, where I live (although there is a high crime rate and a lot of it close to home - even suicide bombers were found round here) I actually find that it has the most community feel to it than any other areas! If that makes any sense at all?!

I agree, though, it is pretty close! It was very strange to see (having come from the country) a road blocked off and the investigators in their plastic suits! We didn't even know what had happened for days - even the news didn't report it!

Yes, I have accidentally got myself into trouble (not badly, just a warning from a VERY big man!) I have never really had a problem! So long as I keep my nose clean, say hello and smile at everyone, I know I should be ok!

Thank you for your concern though, I really appreciate it!
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post #10 of 18
10/15/05 at 11:55am
My grandma moved to Moss side and I remember when we visited we kept pretty much to ourselves and largely ignored what was going on.

Its just one of those places I guess. Its like a time warp though. In one way its violent and has a high crime level etc like many 'poorer' areas of big cities, but on the other hand it has a community like nowhere else. Each day they all sit on their steps and chat to each other etc. Here hardly anyone knows their neighbours names!

Those kind of areas tend to 'deal' with stuff within the community which is why there always seems to be violent crimes happening.
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post #11 of 18
10/16/05 at 2:46am
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21
My grandma moved to Moss side and I remember when we visited we kept pretty much to ourselves and largely ignored what was going on.

Its just one of those places I guess. Its like a time warp though. In one way its violent and has a high crime level etc like many 'poorer' areas of big cities, but on the other hand it has a community like nowhere else. Each day they all sit on their steps and chat to each other etc. Here hardly anyone knows their neighbours names!

Those kind of areas tend to 'deal' with stuff within the community which is why there always seems to be violent crimes happening.
That is so true! I was concerned that I would sound odd talking about the community feel, but it is so good around here!

As I say, you keep your nose clean and be friendly to everyone and things are good!

I don't know when you came to Moss Side, was it before/during/after the regeneration began?!
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post #12 of 18
10/16/05 at 6:29am
She moved there probably 10-12 years ago - I know it was (even then) a lot better than it was before - but you still get the shootings and the same 'we deal with it here' kinda vibe from the years before - communities don't *just* change overnight.

I love all those little houses in rows and the completely different way people treat each other considering its a city - so quaint - a throwback to earlier years kind of thing, I actually did a project on it for sociology in my first year of university
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post #13 of 18
10/17/05 at 5:10am
It's not just in cities that we are in danger! I live in the middle of nowhere, and just last week we had two helicopters circling over us for nearly an hour - hunting a crazed knifeman. I know this sort of thing doesn't happen so often in the sticks, but it does happen.

Sue
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post #14 of 18
10/17/05 at 8:48am
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Oh, I know, yes! Just last week, some guy on a motorbike was driving through the Village (that I am originally from) shooting at random!
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post #15 of 18
10/17/05 at 9:01am
Just what the heck is going on over there?!!
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post #16 of 18
10/17/05 at 9:09am
Nothing that isn't going on over here.

I live in a very high crime area (as mentioned, I have the dubious honour of living one street over from the "Murder Street") in the highest crime rate and child poverty rate per capita in Canada.

Its always wise to take precaution and watch your own back, but I am not worried in my area as much as people would think. There is crime, drug addicts, shootings, stabbings, etc. etc. But most violent crime in the area affects only those directly involved. IE< If you put yourself in a dangerous situation..for example, a drug deal at 3 a.m, or a drinking party with people you know that ends in a stabbing, you will be affected, obviously. But you can exist alongside the madness and never encounter violence directed at your person.

The vast majority of violent crime and murders affect only those close to the murderer/dangerous person.

Its not the area per se.
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post #17 of 18
10/17/05 at 10:05am
Hmm true. But sometimes it's hard not to be affected ie if your next door neighbours are active criminals and you can't afford to move, this impacts negatively on your life even though they're not coming around stabbing you etc. It's stressful being in a high crime area and trying to live a peaceful life.
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post #18 of 18
10/18/05 at 4:02am
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I agree, Loveysmummy! I think you are at risk if you deal with the 'wrong' people! If you don't get involved you are safe!

I have lived nextdoor to a dealer (in the village that I am from originally) I didn't find that it affected my life in any negative ways! I grew up with this guy! The only thing that could be classified as negative (not that it particularly botherered me) was having thir door knocked down and the house raided at daft o'clock in the morning!

I also had slight dealing with a dealer who lived opposite my last home, but it was a misunderstanding and I never once felt threatened - even though he had been shouting abuse towards me! (I was oblivious to this until I was informed! )
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