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post #31 of 55
10/10/05 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by redhairedgirl
Maybe if people were offended by it....they should stop looking at it? Just an idea.
YAY if only more people had your viewpoint...we'd be getting along better...I suppose.
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post #32 of 55
10/10/05 at 10:07am
I do not understand why I should have to avert my eyes from the filth someone has the poor taste to wear as a shirt.
Why doesn't the woman in question have some respect for others (we KNOW she had none for herself)? IMO, this is trashy.
When did this country become an "anything goes" country?
If she want to wear filth let her wear it at home or on Jerry Springer. I don't want my kids to have to see it, or me.
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post #33 of 55
10/10/05 at 10:48am
Pure speculation here, but it's possible that the airline staff did not see the vulgar word prior to boarding. If she were, for instance, carrying her carryon in front of her, or had her arms crossed, or had one arm in front of her with the sweatshirt draped on it, they may not have seen it. I'm not saying she was trying to hide it from them, but there are a lot of scenarios where it wouldn't have been visible.

I totally disagree with the idea of "If you don't like it, don't look." Tolerance is one thing, but vulgar displays in public are something else entirely. How do we know that the person(s) who complained weren't the ones seated next to her? How do we know that there wasn't a small child who read her shirt out loud and asked Mommy what it meant? Do these people's rights mean nothing? Or is it just because the vulgarity was directed at Bush? Would it be different if the shirt had said F the World?

I have a couple t-shirts with curse words on them, but I don't wear them in public where people would be offended. I'll wear them places where I know the people who will see it (i.e. a private party, or perhaps a club) won't be phased by it. That's just basic common courtesy and respect for other people.
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post #34 of 55
10/10/05 at 11:31am
That is a good question. What ever happened to basic common courtesy and
respect for other people?
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post #35 of 55
10/10/05 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by ckblv
That is a good question. What ever happened to basic common courtesy and
respect for other people?
I think it disappeared with the advent of cable television, and the focus some stations put on "shock value" to improve ratings. Not to mention the Internet.
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post #36 of 55
10/11/05 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by Roxy_loves_CJ
I agree with the statements that if it was just a political statement, fine. I also agree with the fact the problem was more over the language. I remember back in my honors english class in 9th grade (a loooong time ago) our teacher said that people that use that kind of language are not smart enough or too lazy to think of a better way of saying things. Everytime I hear someone say something of that nature, I just shake my head, because even if their intent is good, no one is going to take you seirously with that kind of speech.
I am guessing she has never heard of Henry Miller, Charles Bukowski, William Burroughs, and many many other prolific genius writers who happen to use the F-word liberally in their works???
I just can't buy that kind of blanket statement. I think its lazy (of her or him, not you) to make such general utterances...ack..
Sorry! JMO.
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post #37 of 55
10/11/05 at 4:35pm
And what does the trashy language add to the writings? Doesn't seem to me that a "Genius" would have a need to have trashy language in their writings, but that's just me.
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post #38 of 55
10/11/05 at 6:23pm
Some folks do not have the same vocabulary, grammar or language skills that others of us have, so it stands to reason that they are often stuck for words and need to resort to other words with which they are more familiar.
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post #39 of 55
10/11/05 at 6:32pm
I actually enjoy creative, vulgar swearing in some settings. For example, I enjoy Deadwood.

But I would never show Deadwood in an Airport.
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post #40 of 55
10/12/05 at 8:04am
IMO, there is no excuse for trashy, vulgar language but that is just me.
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post #41 of 55
10/12/05 at 8:07am
I believe in peoples rights to enjoy trashy, vulgar language in the privacy of teir own home. But that's just me.
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post #42 of 55
10/12/05 at 9:22am
Personally, the Queen Mother of Curse Words is one of my favorite words. Linguistically it is fabulous - it can be used as almost any part of speach except for a conjunction or an adverb. As a writer I can also see how using curse words can add a lot of impact, IF they aren't sprinkled in so liberally that they lose their punch. However, I also understand that not everyone thinks those words are acceptable, so I try not to use those particular words in mixed company (i.e. with people I don't know well). And I wouldn't have it printed on my clothing in public, as I've posted before.
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post #43 of 55
10/12/05 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Personally, the Queen Mother of Curse Words is one of my favorite words. Linguistically it is fabulous - it can be used as almost any part of speach except for a conjunction or an adverb. As a writer I can also see how using curse words can add a lot of impact, IF they aren't sprinkled in so liberally that they lose their punch. However, I also understand that not everyone thinks those words are acceptable, so I try not to use those particular words in mixed company (i.e. with people I don't know well). And I wouldn't have it printed on my clothing in public, as I've posted before.
I totally agree with you. I've been known to use the big one on occasion and I also agree there are times when nothing else seems to fit as well as the QM of Curses. But I also respect others rights not to have to listen to me using it, so I've used it privately in our own home and not in public.

I also agree that using it too much causes it to lose it's "punch" and can actually make the person using it so liberally look like a bit of a lower class person IMHO.
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post #44 of 55
10/12/05 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
I totally agree with you. I've been known to use the big one on occasion and I also agree there are times when nothing else seems to fit as well as the QM of Curses. But I also respect others rights not to have to listen to me using it, so I've used it privately in our own home and not in public.

I also agree that using it too much causes it to lose it's "punch" and can actually make the person using it so liberally look like a bit of a lower class person IMHO.
I agree with both of you. There really is an art to swearing . If you aren't doing it right, it comes off as cowardly or just plain idiotic.

I tend to swear only around those I am comfortable with as well. But I have no seriously essential issues with it. Unless you are a teenager at the back of the bus with 1800 of your friends and you just realized that you are the centre of the universe and are so very "cool" at doing what no one in the world has ever done before

I may have mentioned this before but the best job interview I have ever had was where the interviewer (the director of a women's centred clinic) startled me with a great big grand "F" mid-sentence without batting an eye.
I responded in kind and acted as if I didn't even hear it.
I got the job and she later told me that it was an effective tool for weeding out the squeamish and the too delicate minded for the job. I liked that.
On the right occasion, words really are power.
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post #45 of 55
10/12/05 at 1:59pm
Just a little to "Jerry Springerish" IMO, but whatever trips your trigger. But my mama would have washed my mouth out with soap for saying words like those.
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post #46 of 55
10/12/05 at 7:01pm
I think the hole thing is so stupid we have people out there killing each other in masive numbers and earthquakes , tornados , sunamies wipeing people out bye the hundreds of thouseneds and yet people can still find time to find a T-Shirt offencive go figer I don't understand us I really don't sorry all thats just how I feel it all makes me so sad sorry about the spelling it sucks I know
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post #47 of 55
10/13/05 at 8:16am
I don't understand what you are saying Jasper, we will have always had catastrophic weather and always will. There has always been war, because humans are violent blood thirsty animals (doesn't make it right I know)
so because of the above we should just let everyone run around with the "F" plastered all over themselves to teach our children what?
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post #48 of 55
10/13/05 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Just a little to "Jerry Springerish" IMO, but whatever trips your trigger.
nah, people like that only exist in America

And I rarely use those words around my mother even though I am a little old to have my mouth washed out.
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post #49 of 55
10/13/05 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
nah, people like that only exist in America

And I rarely use those words around my mother even though I am a little old to have my mouth washed out.
I'm sure you are right.
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post #50 of 55
10/13/05 at 1:28pm
Based on the structure of our society, I agree that a blantant display of the "F-word" should not have been allowed on the airplane. That said, it is interesting to me how offensive the word is considered by some people. The level of its obscenity is only determined by the listener, it is not inherent in the word itself. It is only bad and obscene to anyone because they have been taught (maybe even ordered) to see it as bad or obscene. This is interesting to me. What is even more interesting is the amount of people who seem to think it is their right to never be offended by anything or anyone - imo, you need to face it: the world and everyone in it just isnt able to always agree with you.
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post #51 of 55
10/13/05 at 10:18pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv
I don't understand what you are saying Jasper, we will have always had catastrophic weather and always will. There has always been war, because humans are violent blood thirsty animals (doesn't make it right I know)
so because of the above we should just let everyone run around with the "F" plastered all over themselves to teach our children what?
What I was trying to say was that maby if we started worring about some of these things maby we would not all be so worried over the F word I think the hole this is stupid and our kids hear it plenty if not at home at school try rembering what it was like when we went to school it's a word it's not an elgal word so what is the big deal as I said before I don't understand the human race
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post #52 of 55
10/14/05 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by Jaspers Mummy
What I was trying to say was that maby if we started worring about some of these things maby we would not all be so worried over the F word I think the hole this is stupid and our kids hear it plenty if not at home at school try rembering what it was like when we went to school it's a word it's not an elgal word so what is the big deal as I said before I don't understand the human race
I think that the reason kids hear it so much is that society is desensitized to foul language, violence, rudeness, sexual promiscuity, etc. Why? Oh maybe because its on TV all the time. Its on the news and talked about much more freely than when I was a kid. I am not saying that I don't use swear words, watch rude violent TV, and have sex. Everybody does, right? Well most of us I guess. The difference is those of us who have respect for each other don't do it in public. I rarely use the F word around people who I think it may offend. When I do its an accident. We are all sensitive to different things. Personally, using the Lord's name in vain offends me much more than the F word.

As for concentrating on the world's major issues rather than the F word on a tee-shirt, consider this: maybe if we had a little more respect for each other, there would be less anger, violence, etc.
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post #53 of 55
10/14/05 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
As for concentrating on the world's major issues rather than the F word on a tee-shirt, consider this: maybe if we had a little more respect for each other, there would be less anger, violence, etc.
I think that's really what this boils down to. That girl believed that her own right to express herself with this t-shirt overrode anyone else's right to not have to be exposed to foul language. I'm sure there are thousands of t-shirts without vulgarity that could express her displeasure with the current President and his policies. She could have chosen any of those to wear in public and still gotten the point across.
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post #54 of 55
10/14/05 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb
I think that's really what this boils down to. That girl believed that her own right to express herself with this t-shirt overrode anyone else's right to not have to be exposed to foul language. I'm sure there are thousands of t-shirts without vulgarity that could express her displeasure with the current President and his policies. She could have chosen any of those to wear in public and still gotten the point across.
Well said.
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post #55 of 55
10/14/05 at 6:55pm
As for concentrating on the world's major issues rather than the F word on a tee-shirt, consider this: maybe if we had a little more respect for each other, there would be less anger, violence, etc.[/quote]

I could not agree with you more if I tryed we do need to have more respect and tolerance for each other but I still think it is a silly thing to be kicked off a plane for and a really silly thing for so many people to be up in arms over it is a word nothing more and I think we have bigger things to worry about in this world than the F word on a t-shirt we do need to learn to have a hole lot more respect and tolerance for each other but I also belive we should all have the right to be who we are and not who someone else tells us we should be.
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