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Kicked Off Plane over T-shirt

post #1 of 55
10/7/05 at 10:54am
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What do you think?
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post #2 of 55
10/7/05 at 11:20am
I think she is just one of thousands out there looking for a big pay day by suing someone.
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post #3 of 55
10/7/05 at 11:22am
I think it is sad someone got kicked out of a plane over a t-shirt, gimme a break, go find someone else more worthwhile. Pretty soon this will lead to a dress code for planes. i think people are taking this waaayyyyyy to far.
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post #4 of 55
10/7/05 at 11:25am
If other passengers complained about the expletive, I can see the airline asking her to cover up the T-shirt or turn it inside out, but not if they complained about her broadcasting her political opinions. There is that small matter of freedom of speech/expression.
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post #5 of 55
10/7/05 at 11:27am
It was the "F" word that offended people. Lady, we don't want to see your Jerry Springer trashy t-shirt.
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post #6 of 55
10/7/05 at 11:37am
She agreed to cover it up with her sweatshirt. The sweatshirt slipped while she was sleeping. She was told to turn it inside out or leave. She chose to leave. Her problem. JMO

I have some offensive t-shirts. I do not wear them in mixed company.
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post #7 of 55
10/7/05 at 12:29pm
It's a sad day when so-called freedom of expression is so drastically censored
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post #8 of 55
10/7/05 at 12:30pm
Maybe if people were offended by it....they should stop looking at it? Just an idea.
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post #9 of 55
10/7/05 at 1:08pm
Some folks just NEED attention and will do whatever it takes to get attention even if it's negative - unfortunately these people aren't savvy enough to know that their actions only make them look like losers to the rest of the world.

It also shows their complete lack of respect for the rest of humanity. The old juvenile mentality of "I'm old enough now to do what I want". Yeah, right!
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post #10 of 55
10/7/05 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by redhairedgirl
Maybe if people were offended by it....they should stop looking at it? Just an idea.
I AGREE!
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post #11 of 55
10/7/05 at 1:25pm
I think people's right to not be offended by another person's opinion expressed on their clothing needs to be protected to some degree. BUT.......
The problem with what the airlines did, is it sets a precedent. Where is the line drawn from now on?
A group of very religious old ladies could be on a flight someday and be offended by some teenage kids shirt depicting a bikini clad girl on a motorcycle. I'm sure they could say it is lewd. Will the airlines be forced to kick the kid off?
I wish people would use common sense when it comes to their behavior in public. Then these sorts of petty things wouldn't constantly require "rules" to be put in place. We have enough stinkin rules already.
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post #12 of 55
10/7/05 at 3:49pm
I think she got the attention she wanted by wearing a controversial t-shirt, that the airline was within it's rights, as it states in the rules that clothing like that isn't permitted, that it has nothing to do with her political views, and that the shade of purple on that website is lovely.
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post #13 of 55
10/7/05 at 4:11pm
I agree with Tricia. If it was over the expletives, they were well within their rights to ask her to cover it. I also agree with Rockcat - she was given a choice and they chose to leave the flight. Her choice does not mean her rights were infringed upon, especially since she had already agreed to cover it up, thus basically admitting that it was offensive.

Why is it the anti-Bush crowd, this woman included, is so quick to think she was censored because of who the expletive was directed at and not the explitive itself? Would the reaction have been the same if it was directed at, say, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Harry Reid? Or if it was directed at Osama bin Laden?
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post #14 of 55
10/7/05 at 4:55pm
I've got to get some new glasses ... I thought this said "Kicked off of PLANET over T-shirt" ... ...
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post #15 of 55
10/7/05 at 6:30pm
Quote by ugaimes: "It's a sad day when so-called freedom of expression is so drastically censored." I think it's sadder still that a grown woman would put on such a t-shirt, and then go out in public with it. I applaud SW airlines for the action they took.

Anyone remember when people actually had a sense of decorum (a word you don't see or hear much anymore)? Whatever happened to having respect for others as well as some level of self respect?

Saying that people shouldn't look at the shirt if it offends them is silly. Anyone who found the shirt offensive probably did avert their eyes once they realized what it said, but they still saw it, if only momentarily. It's like telling seated passengers not to listen to a man using foul language as he walks past them, for example, down the aisle of a plane. There's no choice but to hear it.

Restaurants and other businesses reserve the right to deny service to anyone who isn't dressed to standards that they're within their rights to set. The t-shirt in question certainly falls into the category of "lewd, obscene, or patently offensive" as stated by the spokesperson for SW Airlines. Yep, some people still consider the f-word crude and vulgar. How about that.
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post #16 of 55
10/7/05 at 7:22pm
Ahhh, KT, you said it all, as usual. And very eloquently too.
Maybe, from now on I will just post and agree with you. LOL
One other little tidbit on this "lady" in the T-shirt. She said she
was sleeping and the blanket "slipped" It is a one hour flight, by the time
you get up, you are going down, I hardly think she was sleeping.
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post #17 of 55
10/7/05 at 7:39pm
I dont agree with it. but thats just me.
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post #18 of 55
10/8/05 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
Some folks just NEED attention and will do whatever it takes to get attention even if it's negative - unfortunately these people aren't savvy enough to know that their actions only make them look like losers to the rest of the world.

I think the people whining about it were being just as needy and childish!
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post #19 of 55
10/8/05 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by KTLynn
Restaurants and other businesses reserve the right to deny service to anyone who isn't dressed to standards that they're within their rights to set. The t-shirt in question certainly falls into the category of "lewd, obscene, or patently offensive" as stated by the spokesperson for SW Airlines. Yep, some people still consider the f-word crude and vulgar. How about that.
Well said. Then they should not have let her on in the first place - I believe the womans objection was to them changing their mind about what she could wear halfway through the flight.
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post #20 of 55
10/8/05 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Why is it the anti-Bush crowd, this woman included, is so quick to think she was censored because of who the expletive was directed at and not the explitive itself? Would the reaction have been the same if it was directed at, say, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Harry Reid? Or if it was directed at Osama bin Laden?
Hey! I'm in the anti-Bush crowd, and I think going to a major public area with a shirt with the F-word written across it is a Really Dumb thing to do. I don't care what the rest of the shirt had on it, there are kids on airplanes. I personally have more lax beliefs about swear words than some, but that doesn't mean I don't respect others who feel more strongly about it.

If it had just been a political statement without the f-word, I would feel differently.
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post #21 of 55
10/8/05 at 10:17am
Call me old fashioned, but maybe we do need a dress code these days! I don't think expletives on tee shirts are ok. I don't have kids, but if I did, I wouldn't be raising them to be foul mouthed and wouldn't appreciate having that kind of language displayed everywhere. Oh my god, do I ever sound like a crusty old lady! But I'm serious!! It's a matter of having a little class, behaving appropiately, not wearing offensive clothing in public - be it swear words on shirts, or clothes too skimpy, too casual etc. You know, just common sense? I guess the problem is , there is no common sense these days when living in such a culturally diverse society.
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post #22 of 55
10/8/05 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by eatrawfish
Hey! I'm in the anti-Bush crowd, and I think going to a major public area with a shirt with the F-word written across it is a Really Dumb thing to do. I don't care what the rest of the shirt had on it, there are kids on airplanes. I personally have more lax beliefs about swear words than some, but that doesn't mean I don't respect others who feel more strongly about it.

If it had just been a political statement without the f-word, I would feel differently.
Thanks for calling me on that. I know better than to over generalize, and yet I did it!

And I agree with you whole heartedly. If it had just been a political statement she was kicked off for I would be going up to bat for her, regardless of who it was against!
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post #23 of 55
10/8/05 at 10:57am
I think everyone has the right to express their opinions, as long as the shirt didn't contain offensive images or crude language...I don't see what all the fuss is about!!. Why not kick women off the airplane that show up half naked??? isn't that just as offensive???

Just my 2 cents!

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post #24 of 55
10/8/05 at 11:08am
Quote by Miss Mew: "...as long as the shirt didn't contain offensive images or crude language...I don't see what all the fuss is about!"

The shirt did in fact, contain crude language. That's why the passengers complained to SW Airlines staff.
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post #25 of 55
10/8/05 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by KTLynn
Quote by Miss Mew: "...as long as the shirt didn't contain offensive images or crude language...I don't see what all the fuss is about!"

The shirt did in fact, contain crude language. That's why the passengers complained to SW Airlines staff.
Well in that case I understand. I believe in self expression but there were probably children on the airplane and having that around them isn't cool.
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post #26 of 55
10/8/05 at 3:37pm
Freedom of speech does NOT mean one can say or "wear" anything they want. I have heard what just happened to some guy in the airport when he was kidding around with the security people and said he had a "bazooka" in his bags, he was arrested. If that t-shirt said "I have a bomb" I bet the poo would have hit the fan.
Freedom carries some responsibilities with it and people seem to forget that.
It doesn't mean people can do whatever, whenever.
For crying out loud, SW Airlines got sued by two ladies for saying over the loudspeaker (before take-off) "Eenie, meenie, miney, moe, take your seats we got to go"
(There is no assigned seating)
What about SW free speech?
It is DEFINITELY NOT, "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander"
in THIS world, eh ladies? More is the pity.
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post #27 of 55
10/8/05 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
Some folks just NEED attention and will do whatever it takes to get attention even if it's negative - unfortunately these people aren't savvy enough to know that their actions only make them look like losers to the rest of the world.

It also shows their complete lack of respect for the rest of humanity. The old juvenile mentality of "I'm old enough now to do what I want". Yeah, right!


When we first started the war with Iraq, I went to a teach-in/protest with several people from my church, most of whom were older ladies (75+ year old Quaker ladies still like to protest!), anyway, there were several college students screaming profanities like "F* Bush" and, well you all can use your imaginations. It was horrible. We all left. The antiwar folks in that town got such a bad rap and I never participated in another one of those protests. My husband was a lifeguard/EMT at Cedar Point amusement park and they would send people home for wearing shirts with profane language. It was a family park for crying out loud! Some people have no tact.
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post #28 of 55
10/8/05 at 5:51pm
I agree with the statements that if it was just a political statement, fine. I also agree with the fact the problem was more over the language. I remember back in my honors english class in 9th grade (a loooong time ago) our teacher said that people that use that kind of language are not smart enough or too lazy to think of a better way of saying things. Everytime I hear someone say something of that nature, I just shake my head, because even if their intent is good, no one is going to take you seirously with that kind of speech.
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post #29 of 55
10/10/05 at 3:40am
A similar thing happened at a Game Fair in UK: a young lady wearing a 'Bollocks to Blair' t-shirt was arrested, in case she caused offense to old ladies. No-one had complained, you understand (at a Game Fair they'd probably all have been wearing them), but the police arrested this girl anyway. Since then I have read a few comments about it - one stated that far from causing offense to old ladies, many old ladies had asked the wearer where they too could buy one.

Recently at the Labour Party conference an elderly man was booted out of the conference hall and arrested on terrorism charges. What did he do that was so terrible? Shouted 'nonsense' during Jack Straw's speech on Iraq.

These two incidents have been bothering me. It seems that criticism of our dear leader & his government is no longer acceptable and has to be cracked down on hard. Why? What happened to free speech etc.?

As far as the lady on the plane goes, I agree the airline should have told her before she got on that her clothes were unacceptable - she could have gone & changed her shirt then. If she didn't take the opportunity to change it then I suppose she'd be classed as a troublemaker & would deserve to be thrown off.

Sue
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post #30 of 55
10/10/05 at 9:01am
I dont recall who said it. but I fully agree about the statement than why do not we not toss off women who wear just about nothing on a plane. Or heck how about just in public wearing just about nothing. that would be a bigger concern to me IMO
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