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post #31 of 70
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Now Mimi is licking her lips again. Darn, I guess she feels nauseous.

I got a syringe now, it works better than the straw.
post #32 of 70
Mimi is so pretty! I have a little kitten with close coloring. I think it's wonderful how much you obviously love your cat to do so much for her! I agree with some of the other posters that the antibiotics could be the cause for the nausea/not eating. And I don't know about cats (Marlee was spayed before I got her from a shelter) but my roommate got her dog spayed a week or so ago, and the dog threw up several times the day of her surgery. The vet said its not a bad sign, just like humans their stomach can get upset from the anesthesia. Anyways, I applaud you for keeping your kitty as healthy as possible right now, and keep us updated! Also, I know its so different over there, but you could ask the vet about supplements. I got somethign from a vet here called Rebound, its a milk like substance to help sick cats get back to eating and gain weight. Good luck and keep us updated!
post #33 of 70
Aw poor wee Mimi. She is lovely and I applaud you for your gentle caring of her. Please keep us informed as to how she (and you) are doing. We're all rooting for you and Mimi on this side of the world.
post #34 of 70
I am suprised no one else mentioned this, don't give her cows milk that is really bad for cats cuz they cannot digest it, cats are lactose intolerant. Use Cat Sip or some sort of cat milk from the store, NOT cows milk.
post #35 of 70
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Originally Posted by Jen
I am suprised no one else mentioned this, don't give her cows milk that is really bad for cats cuz they cannot digest it, cats are lactose intolerant. Use Cat Sip or some sort of cat milk from the store, NOT cows milk.
OK thanks. I did give her a little bit of milk, mixed with the egg yolk, because I was thinking I just needed to get calories into her body as efficiently as possible. But then later I realized she shouldn't be drinking cow's milk, so I just mixed egg yolk with water. You're right. Thanks again.

In the latest force-feeding, I syringe-fed (without the needle of course!) her about 6 ml of "cat food broth". I doubt there are many calories in the broth, although it's good that she's getting water.

This morning I found some fresh poop in her litter. She's urinated I think three times since I started force-feeding her liquids, which was about 24 hours ago.

Maybe I should feed her more egg yolk (calorie-dense) in an hour or so? Or should I wait until this evening (8 hours later) to see if she eats on her own again?
post #36 of 70
Another thing you could feed, although it may not be the right consistency - is her regular food soaked in some chicken broth (salt free), and mushed up. My cat also LOVES yogurt. (She actually likes any yogurt, even with fruit, but most people feed plain yogurt.) I think yogurt is ok - anybody know that for sure since it's made with cow's milk? I used it when my cat was on antibiotics because of the cultures in yogurt that help the digestive system...
post #37 of 70
Antibiotics CAN & DO often make cats nauseus, especially Clavamox, which is one vets in the States frequently use. Following a typical spay surgery, your baby should be eating & drinking normally within 24 hours. Have you asked the vet about giving her fluids injections to keep her hydrated? I have no knowledge of vet care in China, but I worked in a vet hospital here in the States for 3 years...a kitten in Mimi's situation would be given an injection of fluids to help her recover (the fluids are called Lactated Ringers over here). You're doing a great job of force-drinking her; it can be really hard for people to make their babies do something they don't want to do. Have you tried any tuna juice to tempt her (by this I mean the water that tuna comes packed in when it's canned...not the kind that comes in oil)? That often works. There's also a prescription cat food here in the States made by Hill's Science Diet called A/D...we often described it as "Ensure (a high-calorie supplement drink for humans) for cats," and many cats post-surgery who were refusing to eat succumbed to its charms . But again, I have no idea if it's available in China...if it is, your vet should have it. You're a fantastic kitten nurse, Mimi is lucky to have such an attentive & loving parent...hope she keeps getting steadily better & better.
post #38 of 70
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She just ate ten little pieces of cat food on her own! I moistened them and microwaved them to make them more appealing.

About your suggestions, I'll try the tuna with water a little later. I think I'll pass on the yoghurt, because I'm afraid the milk content might not be good for her.

I did ask the vet yesterday (before I started force-feeding her) if she should get an IV (fluids injected into her). The vet said doing so without knowing the cause of her sickness, is dangerous. Well, I think this force-feeding thing is much safer than an IV. Plus, IV is just sugar and water I think, whereas by force-feeding her egg yolk I'm getting in good-quality protein and fat.

Before you guys mentioned force-feeding, I was under the (wrong) impression that you can't force a cat to eat/drink. I guess I had in the back of my mind that idiom, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". lol
post #39 of 70
I was going to suggest an IV to get fluids into her system.

Yogurt is what we use at my shelter when the cats have diarrhea, just a little bit or else they will get it even worse. I don;t really see a purpose in giving her yogurt but you could try just to get something into her.
post #40 of 70
Yoghurt is OK, and I think I mentioned in one of my early posts that goat milk is OK - I have raised several kittens on it as there is no kitten milk available here either. My cats still love it as a treat.
post #41 of 70
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I just offered her some yoghurt, she refused it. However, about an hour ago she ate a few bits of bread! She's always liked bread.

I also force-fed her about 8 ml of water.

I've noticed that when I approach her without food, she doesn't lick her lips; but when she's refusing food from my hand, she often licks her lips. I guess that means that the presence of food is still making her nauseous. But I don't think she's been vommitting, thank goodness.
post #42 of 70
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I've noticed that there is a patch of skin near her incision, about the size of a penny or a grape, that is brownish-reddish. Her skin is shaved there, and the surrounding (normal) color there is cream/beige. The patch is not noticable when I run my finger across it; it is only a different color. Here are three photos -




I would be very grateful to anyone who could tell me what it is.

In those photos you can also see the stitches, which the vet here will remove one week after the operation. Does it look like a normal spay? These photos were taken a few minutes ago, three and a half days after the operation.
post #43 of 70
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By the way, she has been moving around slowly. She wants to jump up onto tables but I don't let her, to conserve her energy. She does not appear to be in pain.
post #44 of 70
Originally Posted by Dan H.
By the way, she has been moving around slowly. She wants to jump up onto tables but I don't let her, to conserve her energy. She does not appear to be in pain.
One idea is to confine her to a area like a bathroom with toys, litter tray, water and food if you are worried about her doing those things. I had a look at the pictures - It's hard to tell for sure, but it looks like a bruise from surgery. Is the wound warm when you hold your hand just over it? Is there any discharge coming from the stitches?

I'm sure you have considered this yourself, do you think she has been not wanting to eat because of the traumatic time at the vets?... I don't think it would be a good idea to go back there. Can you find another place to take the stitches out? Have you had any experience with wounds and stitches, would you feel comfortable doing it yourself?

Hope she continues to improve!!
post #45 of 70
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The wound is not particularly warm. There's no discharge from the incision.

I hadn't thought about your idea of trauma causing loss of appetite, but now it seems plausible to me: in general she's a very timid cat; she starts crying the moment I take her outside (in a cat carrier), and the trip to the vet is about 45 minutes each way, usually on an extremely crowded bus. And the worst part about it is that the vet's office is small and has about 7 hyperactive dogs barking very loudly, with a huge dog odor everywhere. And the operation must have been hell for her. Poor Mimi, when she's there she just sits and quivers.

I've been reading the forum, and often the advice for sick cats is "take her to the vet", but in my case, given the questionable abilities of my vet and the trauma of taking her there, I must think twice about that advice. I am SO thankful to you "online" folks who have been helping Mimi and me these days.

I heard a neighbor of mine mention a person who knows how to remove stitches; I'll see if I can set up a housecall.
post #46 of 70
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I just weighed Mimi, suprisingly she hasn't lost much weight. Before the operation, she was about 2.5 kg, now she's about 2.4 kg. Right after the operation, the vet commented that she was very fat, with an "abnormally thick" layer of fat around her tummy.

I think she's unriating about three times a day now.
post #47 of 70
Urinating that much is very good! A little poop is good too. I think keep hand feeding with the syringe until she fights you not to do it. If you only have one syringe, they can get stuck. put a little oil on the rubber plunger to unstick it. She sounds like she is getting better, but my program won't let me see the pics. Good luck!
post #48 of 70

I've been reading the progress of you kitty and I'm so glad that things are improving! When my kitten was sick and wasn't eating all that well on her own I hand fed her wet food from my finger. She wouldn't eat from a bowl or plate but would eat little bits licked off my fingers. When you don't have to force feed her anymore this may be a way to get a bit more food into her. Good luck and I'll be thinking of you.
post #49 of 70
It's great that she is urinating and has passed some feces.

As for the vet's comments about her being fat - cats with a smaller builds certainly can weigh much less than larger kitties (like Main Coons) although at 2.4-2.5 kg she sounds like one of the daintier cats. If you do a search at the top of this forum you should hit all sorts of threads about fat cats and thin cats, signs to look for on your kitties body, etc

TCS also has this link about overweight kitties!

Dax is a little over 3kg and she has a little tummy fat although she is a fairly small cat too. Remember your baby is still growing and cats are usually quite good at regulating their own intake.
post #50 of 70
I'm so glad that she's doing better. You're doing a phenomenal job
post #51 of 70
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This morning, after some coaxing, Mimi ate a handful of dry cat food by herself! Pretty quickly, too. I hope this means she'll be ok.

Thanks to everyone for all the encouragement!
post #52 of 70
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And just now, another handful. This morning she's eaten about her normal-sized breakfast, on her own. I'll feed her again twelve hours later. She hasn't drank any water this morning. Urinated in the middle of the night.
post #53 of 70
Sounds like she's going to be okay!!!!
post #54 of 70
Looks like she's on the road to recovery!
post #55 of 70
Sounds great. I was really worried about this baby. Hope she continues to get better.
post #56 of 70
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She's finally drank some water on her own. I had to coax her to get her started.

I noticed that she doesn't "nibble" my toes anymore when I'm in bed, which used to be one of her favorite hobbies. Not sure if that's because she's still weak, or if that's a permanent change due to spaying.
post #57 of 70
She will probably soon regain all her old habits - mine all did. So glad she is on the mend.
post #58 of 70
Poor baby! I can't even imagine the kind of care they have for cats in China. I am glad she seems to be on the road to recovery.
post #59 of 70
Great to hear she is continuing to improve!

Give her some time and plenty of love and she should start to be more herself again

post #60 of 70
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She's behaving pretty much normally now: eating, drinking, playing, etc. Wonderful!

I've arranged for a medical student friend to come over 7 days after the spay operation to remove her stitches. A while back, he removed the stitches from my neighbor's bunny when he was neutered, and it only took a few minutes and went very smoothly. So I think Mimi should be ok.

But just to be sure, is there anything special I should be aware of regarding removing stitches? Do you think the technique for humans is the same for cats?

Also, I've read on the forum that the recommended time for removing stitches is 8-12 days after the operation, but my vet recommended 7 days, and he said that if I wait too long the removal gets more difficult. What do you think, is 7 days ok?

By the way, the reason I don't want the vet to remove them is explained by my earlier post where I described the trauma of taking her to the vet.

Thanks again for your help! I love this forum.
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