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post #1 of 24
10/4/05 at 10:58am
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Roy Moore announces run for governor...

It'll want your zip code to go to the article (if you REALLY want to read it ) just click "Outside the US" and it'll take you on to the article.

He won't win it, but it'll be interesting to see how large --- or small --- the gap will be.
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post #2 of 24
10/4/05 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by RoseHawke
Roy Moore announces run for governor...

It'll want your zip code to go to the article (if you REALLY want to read it ) just click "Outside the US" and it'll take you on to the article.

He won't win it, but it'll be interesting to see how large --- or small --- the gap will be.
The majority of the country can hope he doesn't win! It's Republicans like that who give the rest of us a bad name! There's no logic to his stances, it's all emotion.

And I'm frankly quite offended that his God is the only source of morality, as if anyone who isn't a Christian has no morals!
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post #3 of 24
10/4/05 at 11:33am
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I wouldn't put it past him, once losing the primaries (which IMO is a given) if he decides to run independently. There are those of the opinion that the whole 10 commandments thing was a slyly engineered political ploy designed to bring media attention to him --- which you must admit it did rather well --- preparatory to this exact result, i.e. that of running for governor (although there was some speculation it would be president )

I've got no problems with Bob Riley and will be voting for him.

Roy Moore is IMHO --- a loon , no matter what his affiliation.
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post #4 of 24
10/4/05 at 11:40am
His run will attract national and international news coverage, which will give a lot of people the impression that the Bible Belt and/or the entire United States are a playground for religious fundamentalists. Just the right message to send Islamic fanatics (not)!
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post #5 of 24
10/4/05 at 12:03pm
I must have missed where he said "if you aren't a Christian, you have no morals", could someone post a link to that.

Otherwise I think it is great and I hope he wins.

Oh yes, for shame I can think of nothing worse for our country to have a Christian as a Governor, holy cow what could be worse than having the 10 Commandments on State property touting terrible thing like "Thou shalt not Kill and Thou Shalt not Steal and Honor thy Father and thy Mother. It doesn't get any worse for the country than that. WOW
Oh the horror of it all.
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post #6 of 24
10/4/05 at 12:24pm
Cindy, think Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iran, northern Nigeria, and so on. Not to mention communism as a "state religion" in the former USSR, China, North Korea, Cuba, etc.. Do we really want to send the message that the U.S. is becoming a Christian theocracy? Talk about fanning the flames!
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post #7 of 24
10/4/05 at 12:41pm
I do NOT care what message it sends. I could care totally less what the terrorists think. I can think of nothing better than a belief in God and his only son Jesus Christ. Is that a bad thing, I don't think so.
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post #8 of 24
10/4/05 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv
I must have missed where he said "if you aren't a Christian, you have no morals", could someone post a link to that.

Otherwise I think it is great and I hope he wins.

Oh yes, for shame I can think of nothing worse for our country to have a Christian as a Governor, holy cow what could be worse than having the 10 Commandments on State property touting terrible thing like "Thou shalt not Kill and Thou Shalt not Steal and Honor thy Father and thy Mother. It doesn't get any worse for the country than that. WOW
Oh the horror of it all.
From the article:

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"As our taxes continue to rise, the education of our children continues to decline," Moore said. "And at a time when morality seems to be disappearing, our courts are preoccupied with telling children they can't pray and telling public officials they can't acknowledge the God that is the source of our morality."
I suppose I shouldn't actually expect logic from him, but the logical conclusion of such a statement is that without "the God" (his) there is no morality.

The 10 Commandments from 3-10 are a good set of standards for anyone to live by, but

1. Thou shalt have no other god before Me.
and
2. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.

are the problematic ones for anyone whose religion is not a Judeo-based one to be posted as the single monument by a governmental entity.

Oh, and BTW, I would venture a guess that out of 50 states, 50 of them have Christians for governors. OK, maybe one or two who may be another major religion. No one could get elected to major office who is an atheist, agnostic, pagan, satanist, etc. Religion already is a major factor in American politics and Christians hold the overwhelming majority.
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post #9 of 24
10/4/05 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv
I do NOT care what message it sends. I could care totally less what the terrorists think. I can think of nothing better than a belief in God and his only son Jesus Christ. Is that a bad thing, I don't think so.
Well, I care about the message sent. As an ex-pat, to a certain extent I see how U.S. news gets a lot of international coverage. As a faculty member at a language school with an international student body, I see how such coverage influences people's perceptions of the U.S.. The U.S. doesn't exist in a vacuum or cocoon.
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post #10 of 24
10/4/05 at 1:22pm
Claiming to believe in Jesus Christ and God and erecting massive monuments to prove it doesn't make one a good Christian. And being a good Christian doesn't mean one will be a good Governer either.

I have no problem with Christians being Governers, as long as they are good governers and they don't seem crazy and hell bent on opressing or discriminating against non-Christians and their beliefs. That goes for any other religion/belief system as well.

This guy seems quite willing to cash in on Christianity for his own personal gain.
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post #11 of 24
10/4/05 at 1:46pm
The last thing I want to see in this country is a Holy Roller politician win office. I do not like the idea of a theocracy in any form. I dislike zealots and fanatics no matter what religion they wear.
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post #12 of 24
10/4/05 at 1:50pm
Still don't see where he said if you are not a "Christian" you have no morals.
Don't see how anyone could compare us to Iran and The Taliban because there is a world of difference and always will be.
Never said big statues make good Christians or anything like that.
I think there is much worse our country could be known for than being Christian, such as our huge crime rate, huge drug problem, all the perverts, pedophiles and depravity in this country AND, last but not least the divisiveness. (sp)
To me, being known as a Christian country is a good thing.
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post #13 of 24
10/4/05 at 1:51pm
/So, now being a Christian is to be labelled a "Holy Roller" or a "loon" How nice and tolerant of you all.
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post #14 of 24
10/4/05 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by eatrawfish

This guy seems quite willing to cash in on Christianity for his own personal gain.


I can never understand how these people can say children aren't allowed to pray in school. There's quite the angry sentiment on that in Indiana as well. Kids can pray- whenever they want- they just can't force other kids to pray. My high school, as well as several others, have several teenage praise teams that meet every morning to pray and that also pray before each class. Kids can pray. One thing that I hate more than just about anything is when other Christians claim that they are somehow being persecuted in this country. Christians hold the vast majority of every office in this country- they work at the vast majority of jobs, they make up the vast majority of the population. We are not being persecuted!! We are the majority. To somehow link myself with the early Church martyrs is offensive to say the least and I would consider it heretical.
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post #15 of 24
10/4/05 at 1:57pm
So, if you are a Christian you are a "zealot" or a "fanatic" how quaint.
Talk about labeling someone. Since when is it so reprehensible to be a Christian?
If everyone in the world, myself included, acted more like Jesus did this would be a perfect world.
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post #16 of 24
10/4/05 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv
So, if you are a Christian you are a "zealot" or a "fanatic" how quaint.
Talk about labeling someone. Since when is it so reprehensible to be a Christian?
If everyone in the world, myself included, acted more like Jesus did this would be a perfect world.
Just where are you getting this? No one is making a blanket statement about Christians in general. They may be generalizing about THIS JUDGE being a fanatic, but not every Christian.

This is exactly the "persecution complex" esrgirl is talking about. You aren't being persecuted! Christians aren't being persecuted! Politicians ARE Christians, it isn't just THIS GUY who is. I about guarantee that his opponent is also a Christian. Geesh!
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post #17 of 24
10/4/05 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv
/So, now being a Christian is to be labelled a "Holy Roller" or a "loon" How nice and tolerant of you all.
No, now to be an idiot who thinks he can put his own personal agenda above most everybody else's as the only "right" way no matter what anybody else says, and that everybody else will follow HIS "right" way, devil take the hindmost excuse my Klatchian, is to be labeled a "loon." Just to clarify. As it were .

Besides, I have nothing at all against Holy Rollers. They don't bother anybody.
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post #18 of 24
10/4/05 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv
So, if you are a Christian you are a "zealot" or a "fanatic" how quaint.
Talk about labeling someone. Since when is it so reprehensible to be a Christian?
If everyone in the world, myself included, acted more like Jesus did this would be a perfect world.
No one said that to be a Christian you are a loon or a holy roller. No one said that to be a Christian you are a zealot or fanatic. The discussion is about how loons, holy rollers, zealots, and fanatics DO exist (I consider the 4 terms as synonyms, clearly in this discussion they are being used as such), and do more damage to Chrisitanity than good. I suggest you read the article at http://www.internetmonk.com/fanatic.html for a better discussion. Fanatics damage ANY cause, and should NOT be supported by the bodies for which they act. Im amazed that you would deny this. If everyone in the world acted more like Jesus, it would NOT be a perfect world. Not unless you are suggesting that people can actually act JUST as Jesus, which is quite sacrilegious imo. On acting like Jesus, well, Jesus was not a fanatic.....
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post #19 of 24
10/4/05 at 3:05pm
Well I guess my thing is, I don't feel he is a, fanatic, loon, zealot, holy roller or any of the terrible names he is being called.
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post #20 of 24
10/4/05 at 3:10pm
Guess it is all in what your interpretation of the words are. Some think he is the names being called, I don't.
As far as sending a bad message to the Islamic Fundamentalists (not that I care really) but the bad message being sent that I have heard them say about us is that we are a "Godless" country.
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post #21 of 24
10/4/05 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Guess it is all in what your interpretation of the words are. Some think he is the names being called, I don't.
As far as sending a bad message to the Islamic Fundamentalists (not that I care really) but the bad message being sent that I have heard them say about us is that we are a "Godless" country.
Once again, WHERE do you get that? Do you have any type of sources?

The US is a Christian country. Ask any non-Christian just how dominant Christian culture is here. As I said before - there is no way anyone who is not Christian could be elected to most public offices (with few exceptions, such as Joe Lieberman who is Jewish). We won't have a non-Christian President in my lifetime, I'm sure.
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post #22 of 24
10/4/05 at 3:59pm
i DON'T remember where I heard it, from some dumb video of a terrorist getting up and spewing their hatred of the USA.
Sorry, but I do not believe we are a Christian country anymore, more's the pity. Used to be not anymore.
Those sicko's always call us stuff like "infidels" "Godless" etc. and the Godless is pretty much true anymore. (See "Pledge" thread) Very sad IMO
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post #23 of 24
10/4/05 at 4:11pm
So you take the word of a terrorist over Americans?

According to this site 85% of Americans are Christian. Isn't that a pretty overwhelming majority? Like I said - ask someone who isn't a Christian how dominant it is. Watch any election and ask if you know what religion the candidates are. Especially with Presidential elections, it is a common knowledge issue. (We all knew Bush is protestant and Kerry is Catholic, right?)
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post #24 of 24
10/4/05 at 4:14pm
I don't believe things because people have a feeling about it or "know" it.

Anyway, I fail to see why this has become an opinion thread on Christianity.

Here is a man who feels it is OK to force his spiritual beliefs on others. To me, that is simply not okay. It is no more okay with me when I share these beliefs than when I don't, and I think it is hypocritical for people to think it is OK as long as it is their own beliefs.

(Slightly off topic, but there are countries whose major religions don't involve a god and yet are not hotbeds of criminal activity)
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