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First Cat Cloned
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I, personally, think this is despicable, irresponsible, wrong at so many different levels...
It took them 188(!) tries/attempts/mistakes to get the result they're touting. How sad & sick is that?! These 188 mean nothing?!
Cloning needs to be stopped. There is not one reason man needs to be finding a way to live longer.
Bill
It took them 188(!) tries/attempts/mistakes to get the result they're touting. How sad & sick is that?! These 188 mean nothing?!
Cloning needs to be stopped. There is not one reason man needs to be finding a way to live longer.
Bill
I strong disagree with cloning. Aren't we trying to control the cat population with appropriate spaying and neutering. This kitten was on our local news last night. While it was so cute (as is any kitten), there is something intrinsicly wrong with the whole idea of it.
as well as not fair to kidden, cuz they say the sheep that they cloned is already developing arthritis, etc... they say that the clones are not lasting long at all
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I also think it goes against nature, really. Although I think it would be good for stem cell research. Hey, If I needed an heart or a liver or something, and I could somehow preserve some of my cells to "grow" parts, hell! why not?! But on the other hand, you know it will be abused. It's so touchy.
the kidden is veerrry cuuuuuttteee though.....:tounge2:
I also think it goes against nature, really. Although I think it would be good for stem cell research. Hey, If I needed an heart or a liver or something, and I could somehow preserve some of my cells to "grow" parts, hell! why not?! But on the other hand, you know it will be abused. It's so touchy.
the kidden is veerrry cuuuuuttteee though.....:tounge2:
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Ugh! Saw this story this morning on CNN.com. You know, it's not like my pet is some toy that can be replaced at Toys R Us if it breaks. It is a living being. I, too, wish scientists would stop all this cloning nonsense. Even most science fiction treats it with disdain.
I just saw this news when I got online this morning. It's very disturbing. The article I read said that Texas A&M Univerysity (where I actually went to school for two years) had a $4 million budge for this project. Can you imagine what good this money could have done if it had been spent on research of a deadly disease? This cloning business is a nightmare!
Hey nite - no hit an run allowed! What do you think?
Personally I think the kitten is just adorable but it's also very weird and creepy. Before they and if they continue some guidelines need to be put into place and the problem with that is that
no matter what someone will be offended (the religious community, the scientific community, the humanitarien aspect and the moral aspect) It is just a loose - loose situation.
I do however believe in the reproduction of just individual organs for medical purposes. Not the reproduction of entire beings for harvesting purposes but just the organ itsself.
Personally I think the kitten is just adorable but it's also very weird and creepy. Before they and if they continue some guidelines need to be put into place and the problem with that is that
no matter what someone will be offended (the religious community, the scientific community, the humanitarien aspect and the moral aspect) It is just a loose - loose situation.
I do however believe in the reproduction of just individual organs for medical purposes. Not the reproduction of entire beings for harvesting purposes but just the organ itsself.
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This Savings and Clone is just another ploy to extract money from some humans who already have to much of it anyway! Although I do agree CC is a cutie, you could go to any animal shelter any given day and find a "cute" kitten there as well. Man has to mess with so many things they should really leave alone. This scares me to no end, and makes me sad and angry all at the same time.
gives me the willies
I saw this article last night. It IS kind of creepy, and even in the photo it seems like there is something not quite right about that kitten. I had that feeling with Dolly the sheep too. I'm not sure if it's just a reflection of my feelings, or if it's more fundamental than that.
Now I'm not hugely conservative about many aspects of religion, but it occurs to me that this is back to original sin. The sin in the Garden (so the theologians tell me) is not merely that A & E disobeyed God, but that they ate the fruit because they were told it would make them like God. But humans are not God or even gods, even if we are "made in the image of" God. We don't have the knowledge and abilities. We can manipulate bodies but not souls. That is why, when someone is clinically dead but the docs revive them, we say "revived" or "resuscitated" NOT "resurrected". And what I feel with these cloned animals is that they have no soul. We got the mechanics in place, the body functions for a period of time, but we can't supply the battery, the life force, that gives the animal the desire to live.
I'm interested in seeing if the kitten develops a personality. I think sheep are already so bland that nobody would notice much about Dolly's personality, but most of us who own cats find them to be such characters. If the kitten has no soul (I'm not sure if animals have souls, but I can't think of a better word), then it might lack some of the traits that are appealing. Perhaps it will not be curious, or inventive, or affectionate, characteristics we enjoy in our feline companions but which you wouldn't expect to find in a sheep.
I think it's hubris (extreme undeserved pride) and it contains within it the seeds of our own destruction.
Now I'm not hugely conservative about many aspects of religion, but it occurs to me that this is back to original sin. The sin in the Garden (so the theologians tell me) is not merely that A & E disobeyed God, but that they ate the fruit because they were told it would make them like God. But humans are not God or even gods, even if we are "made in the image of" God. We don't have the knowledge and abilities. We can manipulate bodies but not souls. That is why, when someone is clinically dead but the docs revive them, we say "revived" or "resuscitated" NOT "resurrected". And what I feel with these cloned animals is that they have no soul. We got the mechanics in place, the body functions for a period of time, but we can't supply the battery, the life force, that gives the animal the desire to live.
I'm interested in seeing if the kitten develops a personality. I think sheep are already so bland that nobody would notice much about Dolly's personality, but most of us who own cats find them to be such characters. If the kitten has no soul (I'm not sure if animals have souls, but I can't think of a better word), then it might lack some of the traits that are appealing. Perhaps it will not be curious, or inventive, or affectionate, characteristics we enjoy in our feline companions but which you wouldn't expect to find in a sheep.
I think it's hubris (extreme undeserved pride) and it contains within it the seeds of our own destruction.
SUNLION SAID: We can manipulate bodies but not souls.
THAT'S where my problem is, too. How can you CLONE a soul? Of course, I believe that the cat surely has one, but ..... I don't know, how do you have a soul if your not created by God? I'm totally not religious (let's not even go there
), but I believe that everyone and everything has a soul and I just can't imagine that a soul can be made in a petrie dish!
just my .02
THAT'S where my problem is, too. How can you CLONE a soul? Of course, I believe that the cat surely has one, but ..... I don't know, how do you have a soul if your not created by God? I'm totally not religious (let's not even go there
just my .02
It's really not such a good idea messin' with mother nature :LOL:
I'm disturbed by the companies who will (for a fee - of course) freeze your current pet's cells so that when cloning becomes available, you can have your pet, alive again (for another fee).
Does the general public understand that you can never ever have a pet "again"? Your new Fido will not necessarily do that cute thing with your slipper that your old one did. The only thing your new Fido has in common with your old Fido is it's cells. So basically, you'd better REALLY like the way your dog looks, cuz it's personality is still up in the air, and going to be based on things that happen to it, just like any animal. Can you imagine how the numbers of shelter animals will shoot up, due to the "new" dog not acting like the "old" dog??
And what about the healing that can come from an entirely DIFFERENT pet? The miracle of realization that comes when you see your kitten do something that your dearly departed cat never thought of doing, and you remember that ALL LIFE is precious and original? These are things that people, in their blindness, are going to miss out on.
It makes me sad.
Does the general public understand that you can never ever have a pet "again"? Your new Fido will not necessarily do that cute thing with your slipper that your old one did. The only thing your new Fido has in common with your old Fido is it's cells. So basically, you'd better REALLY like the way your dog looks, cuz it's personality is still up in the air, and going to be based on things that happen to it, just like any animal. Can you imagine how the numbers of shelter animals will shoot up, due to the "new" dog not acting like the "old" dog??
And what about the healing that can come from an entirely DIFFERENT pet? The miracle of realization that comes when you see your kitten do something that your dearly departed cat never thought of doing, and you remember that ALL LIFE is precious and original? These are things that people, in their blindness, are going to miss out on.
It makes me sad.
And based on what they said in the article, the new one might not look exactly like the old one, just has the same genes, and that's only part of what makes a being unique . . .
The article I read says that although the kitten is a calico like the original, it has slightly different color patterns.
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I support cloning 100%. There will be a learning process but I think that the capacity for conquering diseases is too great to be dismissed as a trivial experimentation. It will happen and people will accept it just as they have with x-rays, in-vitro fertilization, cosmetic surgery, bra ads in newspapers and the word bitch on the radio. :-)
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I agree with everyone else that the kitten is very cute and I also feel that cloning whole animals is morally wrong. We are interfering where we shouldn't be.
I read an article about these cloned animals about a year ago. A couple of things that were mentioned are that most of these clones are not quite right, they are defective in some way. Also, that most clones are aging abnormally fast.
I read an article about these cloned animals about a year ago. A couple of things that were mentioned are that most of these clones are not quite right, they are defective in some way. Also, that most clones are aging abnormally fast.
I thinks it's disgusting... And a $4 million dollar budget? Can you imagine how much good that could have done for animal rescues/shelters?
