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Hi everyone,

I ended up in touch w/ someone locally from a feral rescue group. I am just going to copy and paste a message I wrote earlier to someone else. Since then though, I have researched the whole "combo testing" issue and can definitely see the other side of it (why it's not really done). Although I don't think this lady I talked to does vaccines either. So, I'd like your opinions about that. Is it beneficial to give feral cats vaccines (those being released back out), should it be done before they are released or is it common to only alter and not worry about anything else?

Here's my message I wrote earlier:
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Okay, so yesterday I was on the phone for about 2 hours w/ this lady
from a local feral rescue group.

I can understand her points and I guess I just need to deal w/ the
harsh realities of this type of work.

They said they don't do any combo testing (except maybe 1 kitten of a
whole litter but never adults). Her philosophy was the cats, no
matter what, were going to die a horrible death and w/ certain
diseases- they can still live many years, and don't beleive in
euthanizing them because of it. I guess my take is they are also
going to pass this on to many other cats and so many will die
needlessly. I guess it comes back to them dying anyway.

She also wasn't very focused on rescue work w/ the adult ferals
(meaning, trying to socialize them). She said they work a lot w/ the
local shelter and another organization to adopt cats (mostly kittens)
out but for the most part- they do not have the time to work w/ each
individual cat. They say they'd rather focus on all the cats that
need to be altered (that that's their main focus).

I told her I may be naive and have a lot of heartache ahead of me, and
that I do believe in rescue and adoption of as many cats as humanly
possible.

She was saying their goal was to possibly have a "shelter" one day but
was on the fence because they're not trying to adopt as much as they
are alter. She said there were a million shelters out there already
and I told her we need a million more.

I am definitely going to team up with them and see how it goes. I
think if I'm there and really make a difference - they'd listen to my
opinion and take it into consideration. They've been doing this for
12 yrs I think - so it's an established organization and she said
their phones ring off the hook.

I just have some different opinions, which is okay - but at the same
time I want to believe 100% in the organization I am putting so much
time into. Like I said, it may just be that I don't have the
experience yet to fully understand the reality of this type of work.

She was saying how she was once told that we can't save this
generation of cats (by letting them back out into the wild knowing
they'll die) but we can help the next generation.

She also brought up another good point that I never thought of. A lot
of times we see cats on busy city streets and think it's awful for
them to be there. She said they try to place ferals back to these
streets over barn homes almost all the time (when applicable) because
it's where they know. She said these cats have not been hit by cars,
not hurt by wild animals, etc. By bringing them to a barn home or
another home in the country, many times they run off to never be seen
again. Most of the time they get lost, they're in the woods (wild
animals) and don't know the roads around their new surrounding so
don't know enough that they're dangerous. At least with the busy city
streets they know they're dangerous and to stay away from them. It
was definitely food for thought. The are obviously more succeptable
to human cruelty but we can only cross our fingers that laws will get
tougher on people who abuse animals, therefore squash a lot of the
chances of it even happening.

I'm sure there's more but I can't think of it right now.

What's everyone's thoughts on this?
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Thanks everyone!


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Teshia,

It's frustrating, isn't it? You want to help and do something for the good of these cats, and there are so many differences of opinions between the humans that sometimes it seems impossible! I guess the trick is to find people who have the same principles and values as you, as well as similar ideas for these programs. As you know, I'm pretty disheartened myself at the moment with our local feral and stray program. I have every intention of finding someone who will work with me on this cause, though. Not giving up this soon! Good luck to you, as well!

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Hi Sunni,

I know. I would totally just go off and start a business (non-profit obviously) on my own but they have been in business for 12 yrs or so and are well known. Who's to say the way I do things is the right way either.
(Only to my husband am I always right, hehe).

They are in Southern NH- I am Central (about an hour north) - so I'm sure the cats I work with I can vaccinate if I choose to. I'm sure I could sway them to do certain things if I have valid points and documentation supporting my plea. Of course I need to be there and prove myself first, then I'm sure I'll be taken serious and my opinion respected.

I definitely would like feedback as to the vaccines - if other groups do this. I am learning more and more why it's not uncommon for ferals to be released w/out combo testing being done. It makes sense to me as well.

Thanks - good luck - I'd definitely like to hear how things go for you. =)

-T

Originally Posted by sunnicat

Teshia,

It's frustrating, isn't it? You want to help and do something for the good of these cats, and there are so many differences of opinions between the humans that sometimes it seems impossible! I guess the trick is to find people who have the same principles and values as you, as well as similar ideas for these programs. As you know, I'm pretty disheartened myself at the moment with our local feral and stray program. I have every intention of finding someone who will work with me on this cause, though. Not giving up this soon! Good luck to you, as well!

Ronda
 

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Originally Posted by xomycatsxo

Hi Sunni,

I know. I would totally just go off and start a business (non-profit obviously) on my own but they have been in business for 12 yrs or so and are well known. Who's to say the way I do things is the right way either.
(Only to my husband am I always right, hehe).

They are in Southern NH- I am Central (about an hour north) - so I'm sure the cats I work with I can vaccinate if I choose to. I'm sure I could sway them to do certain things if I have valid points and documentation supporting my plea. Of course I need to be there and prove myself first, then I'm sure I'll be taken serious and my opinion respected.

I definitely would like feedback as to the vaccines - if other groups do this. I am learning more and more why it's not uncommon for ferals to be released w/out combo testing being done. It makes sense to me as well.

Thanks - good luck - I'd definitely like to hear how things go for you. =)

-T
Ok Teshia...I can understand the multitide of questions and feelings you have. Believe me...I started out VERY naive about the feral cat population and what I thought was best for them and after 2 years of volunteering with Alley Cat Allies...I have had a lot of valuable lessons (and some very SAD moments as well). As far as testing goes....Alley Cat Allies has somewhat the same philosophy...they do not test. But the reason they do not test is because they have found that the FIV test is fallible and gives false positives and retesting is nearly impossible in a feral cat population. Additionally they have found that the actual cases of FIV/FELV are quite low (3%-5%) and testing every cat takes money away from spaying/neutering (which is their prime objective). Since they run a low cost clinic ($20 per cat) they leave it up to the caretaker to decide whether they want to go to another vet after surgery and have the cat combo tested or whether they want to buy the combo test themself. They do provide frontline if there are fleas present on the cat, fluids if they were pregnant or nursing, eartipping for easy identification, rabies shot and they of course perform spaying/neutering. I think you will be best served if you observe for a while....go to a trapping, go to a spay clinic...ask lots more questions.

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Thanks Katie. This is the website I've been doing all my research on (Alley Cat) and I've found so much useful information. I actually read earlier a pdf file they have on the combo testing. Here it is (obviously I know you've read it, but I'll post it for others)- http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdf .

Hmm, that's a good point about the fleas as well. I was wondering about that- I don't think they do that either. How is it feasible to treat for fleas when it needs to be done often and obviously that's not really possible?

So, rabies is the only vaccination? No vaccines for the FIV/FeLV?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by TNR1

Ok Teshia...I can understand the multitide of questions and feelings you have. Believe me...I started out VERY naive about the feral cat population and what I thought was best for them and after 2 years of volunteering with Alley Cat Allies...I have had a lot of valuable lessons (and some very SAD moments as well). As far as testing goes....Alley Cat Allies has somewhat the same philosophy...they do not test. But the reason they do not test is because they have found that the FIV test is fallible and gives false positives and retesting is nearly impossible in a feral cat population. Additionally they have found that the actual cases of FIV/FELV are quite low (3%-5%) and testing every cat takes money away from spaying/neutering (which is their prime objective). Since they run a low cost clinic ($20 per cat) they leave it up to the caretaker to decide whether they want to go to another vet after surgery and have the cat combo tested or whether they want to buy the combo test themself. They do provide frontline if there are fleas present on the cat, fluids if they were pregnant or nursing, eartipping for easy identification, rabies shot and they of course perform spaying/neutering. I think you will be best served if you observe for a while....go to a trapping, go to a spay clinic...ask lots more questions.

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Originally Posted by xomycatsxo

Hmm, that's a good point about the fleas as well. I was wondering about that- I don't think they do that either. How is it feasible to treat for fleas when it needs to be done often and obviously that's not really possible?

So, rabies is the only vaccination? No vaccines for the FIV/FeLV?

Thanks!
You can't apply anything that will work long term for the fleas...but when we find fleas on the cats..we do apply frontline. I will verify the exact vaccines that are given this Sunday at the clinic...but given that they do not know if the cat has FIV/FELV...I don't know that it would help to give them a vaccine for it...but again, I'll verify it this Sunday.

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Thanks Katie!

Originally Posted by TNR1

You can't apply anything that will work long term for the fleas...but when we find fleas on the cats..we do apply frontline. I will verify the exact vaccines that are given this Sunday at the clinic...but given that they do not know if the cat has FIV/FELV...I don't know that it would help to give them a vaccine for it...but again, I'll verify it this Sunday.

Katie
 
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