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post #1 of 18
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Hey everyone,
Ive been lurking in this forum for quite some time now as my kitty grew, weeks before I became an active member, and I know this is a fequently discussed topic. Ive read all the threads that have to do with litter box issues, on this forum and the rest of this site, and Ive been to other cat sites, and tried everything explained.

Silly only Poops outside the litter box, never urinates outside of it. Few and far between she will poo in different spots in the house. The first time was when I myself was doing my own business in the bathroom and I think I inspired her. I heard a gentle, brisk scratching on the floor behind the bathtub (we have a clawfoot tub) . I looked under the tub and there it was. A big ol' solid poo in the far corner (where I could barely reach it) and she was trying to cover it with litter that wasnt there. Comical, but the start of a bad little habit.

The second time she pooped in the corner of a cardboard box (one she usually likes to play in!) which she put right next to her litter box. Another solid poo, and she was, again, trying to cover it with litter that wasnt there.

Shes done it a couple more times in different areas, but I wasnt in the same room to see what happened. I was just there to smell it and pick it up. LOL

The last time was tonight. We made her a home-made kitty condo put together by my hubby. It sat in the same place in the living room for a while, awaiting some kind of covering for her to use as a scratching post as well. (she uses a chair covered with cordaroy (sp?) for now. We dont mind cuz its the same fabric we are using to cover the condo, and we dont like the chair anyway, never use it , and she really likes that fabric) I moved the condo to cover it with the fabric, and a little while later, I noticed, in the corner that her condo was in, on the carpet was another poo. She seems to like corners!

She has her own private kitty room, adjacent from the kitchen, with a wonderful escape route and plenty cubby holes to hide in. I scoop the litterbox every day, have tried different kinds of litter, change the litter every 4 or 5 days, tried moving it to the open kitchen area, and even scrub the inside and outside of the box with soap when I change the litter. Ive even tried scrubbing with bleach. I didnt start to scrub it until she pooped in the bathroom that first time.

I got her a bigger litter box with a lid, then she pooped ouside the box again. So I thought, perhaps she didnt like the lid on it and took it off. Shes liked it for a few days now, but then, as I said, pooped in the corner of the living room on the carpet tonight.

It doesnt seem like she isnt attracted to the box, or that anything is wrong with it. She usually poops in it regularly - I scoop about 2-4 pieces or poo out of her box every day. And she never pees outside the box.

It seems though, that she poo's elsewhere just after Ive scooped. The second time she did it, I had just put a new batch of kitty litter in it. She really seems to like the litter I have in there now. She'll play in it and dig to her hearts content, and even spread it all over outside the litter box, then bats it around the floor. She'll stand calmly outside the box and watch me scoop, and as soon as Im done she'll jump in and sniff around. Digs, sniffs s'more, digs a hole, pees, then leaves.

She doesnt seem sick. Shes still frisky and happy. And her poos are solid but not hard. When I went to the vet, he said that shes a perfectly healthy kitten, and that shes happy to have her new home with me. (hes one of those vets that talks to animals and thinks he can understand what they say to him... weird guy, but a good vet, and thinks about the animals feelings before his bank account) I took a sample of the poo that was left outside the box. He said the culture came back normal.

He also says that I shouldnt have to spay her, because shes an indoor cat (outdoor only while under supervision and only for a few minutes at a time to visit with the ducks) and besides that we have a very fenced-in yard. He says, why put her through the pain of recovery at this age when she doesnt even come into contact with other cats whatsoever.

She has a regular diet of Meow Mix, with the occasional can of tuna every time we get back from a day trip and discover the house exactly the way we left it. Just to make her feel like, theres a reason shes left alone for hours - To get TUNA!!! Theres really no stress in her life, she has all kinds of toys, and lots of favorite spots. There arent any other cats in the area to get her worked up. Im around most of the day every day and she gets plenty of attention when she allows it. She only poos when Im in the house. So what could be causing this sparatic pooping in different places of the house? So far it hasnt become a big ordeal, but I want to stop it before it goes so far its irreversible. Short of buying anything expensive, (Im a quite a poor individual), does anyone have any new ideas?

Thanks
~Becka~

P.S.
Please Excuse the exceptionally long post. Just wanted to be thorough so you would know I did do research on the problem, that I have been trying to make it better, and that I wasnt too lazy to read all those other wonderfully informative threads. But, Im hoping that someone may have an answer not yet posted *crosses fingers*
post #2 of 18
No advice I'm afraid, just wanted to say how impressed I am at the steps you've taken so far and how much you seem to adore your kitty (and the fact that you're not getting annoyed with her, or blaming her is wonderful)!

Sorry, not much help
post #3 of 18
Ive seen some people with a single kitty have 2 boxes. Their cats prefer to poo in one and pee in the other. Also, since she is fond of corners, have you considered a corner litter box? they sell them at Petsmart i know around 20 bucks. I know thats pricey but i cant really think of a way to "make" a corner box that would be durable. If she was my kitty i would add another litter box, probably a corner one to see if that helped with the issue.

Good luck!
post #4 of 18
Sounds like its her way of marking her territory since you keep describing her "going" in her condo, favorite box, etc. I would keep throwing her in the litter box (even if she doesn't have to go) until she starts regularly pooping in there.
I like the idea of a corner litter box for the bathtub. She may like "going" where her mommy goes, but wants a little privacy.

As for spaying, sounds like you have a good vet. However most vets I have spoken with tell me that unless I decide to breed, to get girls spayed. Apparently female animals are more prone to Ovarian cysts than female humans are.
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for trying to help - and I would add another litter box, honest I would. But there just isnt room. We have quite a small house. And her kitty room is kind of a pantry/furnace room/laundry room/storage,(see what I mean about lotsa cubbys to hide in? lol) and with all her kitty-stuff theres really no floor space and very little wall space.

I had to get rid of an end table just to give her a kitty condo in the living room. The bathroom is absolutely tiny. Theres barely room to turn around without knocking something over or bumping your elbow.

As for the bedrooms, the one we sleep in is very very small-something like 7 x 9 and it has a built-in armoire, a queen size bed, and a TV on a pedestel that barely fits as it is. Theres only a little one-and-a-half-foot section of floor left, and thats right next to paw-paws head. Who wants to sleep with kitty litter being kicked on their face? heheh

And the second bedroom is pretty big, but off-limits completely. Its paw-paws recording studio. With a whole world of irresitible expensive cords, cords to expensive equiptment, and fabulous little things on every surface to run off with and hide under the couch, in the closet, or anywhere else we cant find it. Ive tried to convince paw paw of letting her in, he said no way.

And besides, Silly is very wary of the drums. They look shiny and pretty, but they sound sooo mean! They must be friends with the vacuum.


It sounds like Im making excuses, but seriously Ive already read about getting another box , and have thought about it alot. Ive tried rearranging. The only option left is to put her in the garage. But there is NO WAY Im doing that. I kinda feel like a bad meowmy - maybe we'll just build an addition onto the house for her heheh



Maybe I should make some stair-steps and put a litter box directly over the other one! Anyone ever hear of a Two-story litter box??
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lunasmom
Sounds like its her way of marking her territory since you keep describing her "going" in her condo, favorite box, etc. I would keep throwing her in the litter box (even if she doesn't have to go) until she starts regularly pooping in there.
I like the idea of a corner litter box for the bathtub. She may like "going" where her mommy goes, but wants a little privacy.

As for spaying, sounds like you have a good vet. However most vets I have spoken with tell me that unless I decide to breed, to get girls spayed. Apparently female animals are more prone to Ovarian cysts than female humans are.
Lunasmom,
she does poo in there regularly. its just once in a while occasions. And those occasions, I never catch her in the act, its always while she's trying to cover it with the invisible kitty litter. So I didnt really think putting her in the box would do any good. She hasnt gone outside the box yet since starting this thread, maybe you're right, and she was just marking her territory.


I know spaying will save her in the long run.. but Im so in love with her now, that I just dont want to put her through that pain. About 2 weeks ago, a friend of mine just adopted a kitty only a month younger than mine, and got her spayed right away... I felt SOOO sorry for the kitty. It didnt have any pain medication only two days after she was released. She was awake but had her eyes half closed and would NOT move. The one time she got off the couch, she meowed something aweful as soon as she landed on the floor, and walked oh-so-slowly and tenderly. Paused for about a minute half-way across the living room and then again in the hallway. She got to the litter box and had it - laid down... she didnt even have it in her to actually do her business... She just laid next to the box with her eyes half closed, meowing every couple of minutes. I almost felt like crying for the little darling. And now that my silly is 5 months or more old, I couldnt possibly watch her go through that pain. Maybe Im being selfish ... but seeing that other kitty broke my heart.
post #7 of 18
Wow, that's horrible that your friends cat went through pain after spay. The only time Luna showed pain was when she accidentally layed down on the railing between rooms in my old apartment. Otherwise she had been running up and down the stairs at my parents house and bouncing all over the furniture...THE SAME DAY! LOL. I wondered for a while if the vet had done anything. They assured me they had.
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Lunasmom,
I just noticed that you're from michigan too! Where abouts are you? I live near Imlay City.
post #9 of 18
Yeah I second the second litter box, could you put it in a toilet or a bathroom?
post #10 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WellingtonCats
Yeah I second the second litter box, could you put it in a toilet or a bathroom?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AutumnHaze
I had to get rid of an end table just to give her a kitty condo in the living room. The bathroom is absolutely tiny. Theres barely room to turn around without knocking something over or bumping your elbow.
^^^the pedestal sink even over-laps the tub a little bit. We cant even have a real door - its one of those accordian folding doors. I plan on toilet training her after she gets a little older. I hear its best to let cats mature before training them to use a toilet.

You have to believe me guys - I would just LOVE to have a second kitty box, there just isnt the room.

Rodney and I have contemplated so many scenarios, but theres always something wrong with the idea ...such as "we need to walk thru there" or "that door needs to open" or "that drawer has to come out" or "nope, Im not using a litter box as a footstool while Im at the computer" or "if we move that kitchen table we wont be able to get into the kitchen"


I should just take pictures of my whole house and post them here so I can get help rearranging the furniture in a way to allow room for another kitty box. Or just go with the Two story litter box !
post #11 of 18
Gosh it sounds like you have taken all the right steps with her. I wish you the best of luck! I can't understand why there would be a territory issue when there are no other cats Stop pooping outside the box, Silly!
post #12 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by captiva
Gosh it sounds like you have taken all the right steps with her. I wish you the best of luck! I can't understand why there would be a territory issue when there are no other cats Stop pooping outside the box, Silly!

Ill tell her you say so... maybe she'll listen to you! hahaha.

Thanks for wishing me luck. She seems to be doing better with the issue though! I guess all I have to do is post a problem on the forum and she gets the hint! haha Uh oh - shes watching right now... gotta go... shhhh i didnt say anything..................
post #13 of 18
Well, I'm having a similar problem (lots of people do, at some point) but mine is an attention-getting issue, I think. I'm posting to suggest that maybe you should revisit the idea of a second box again (again?! Noooooo!). Yup, again. I say this as a person with 750 square feet of space consisting of a great room (living room and kitchen in one room), one bedroom, and one tiiiiiiiny bathroom. We have three cat boxes for our two cats. Trust me, there should be room for a second one where you are, you just have to either a) accept a certain minimal level of inconvenience (for us, it's the one in the bathroom that we have to step over to get to the toilet ) or b) figure out what furniture or whatnot falls into the category of "clutter" and do some reorganizing so that you can fit the second box. As a fellow individual with small living quarters, I feel your pain, but it can be done!
post #14 of 18
LOL...I liked that last post AutumnHaze!

I'm in the Metro Detroit area.

Are there any tables you can shove a litterbox under? If your cat is still small, maybe a mini-litterbox?

Do cats react like Dogs? You know how when a dog pees you're suppose to place their nose in front of the spot and sternly tell them no?
post #15 of 18
I don't think a two-story litterbox is that weird if it could be arranged and allow her to get in it. But I'm not sure it would solve the problem. I know that some cats do require two, but if she is usually pooping and peeing in the same box, I'm not sure that is an issue with Silly. Have you noticed any consistencies as to when it happens? Does it happen only when the box is not immaculately clean, for example? (In that case, though, maybe a second box would help.)

I have one cat, Red Cat, who is a clean freak. Even though I have four boxes for three cats, if he finds the box he wants to use has been used by him or any of the others before and that every last speck of dirty litter hasn't been cleaned out, he throws a hissy fit. Thankfully, he just gets extremely local about it until I follow his orders to clean it better, day or night. He has never done his duties outside the box. But I can see that another can who was also a clean freak might do so.

I have a hunch, though, that it might be related to the fact that she hasn't been spayed. I don't know why she might feel a need to mark her territory if there are no other cats around, but it might just be part of instinct and she might do it anyway. I would personally have her spayed. I think your friend's cat was the exception, not the rule. When my Sheba was spayed, the vet kept her overnight. When I brought her home the next day, she was jumping all over the place, up on the counter and everything. She ate and drank normally. I was, quite frankly, worried that she was TOO active and that she would tear out her stitches. And I wasn't given any more pain medication for her, either.
post #16 of 18
I know you definately want the best for your girl, and that you don't want to put her through extra pain if you don't have to. But if you leave her unspayed, you open her up to the risk of pyometra, which can be deadly to her, and she might not ever show noticable symptoms. Just before I picked up my boys from their breeder, she had to spay one of her breeding Birman queens because she had pyometra - so bad that her uterus was about the size of two fists. The only symptom she showed was sleeping around Mom's ankles instead of her typical place at Dad's! Not to mention many people here have stories about their's or friend's cats escaping during heat and winding up pregnant. Just some extra information for you to think about.

As for your litterbox problem, I wish I could help! All I can say is good luck, maybe she'll eventually grow out of it. If not, I'm sure one of the awesome people here will be able to give you just the advice you need.
post #17 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lunasmom
Do cats react like Dogs? You know how when a dog pees you're suppose to place their nose in front of the spot and sternly tell them no?
Im not a cat expert (of course) but from what Ive read, its a big no-no to punish a cat for "accidents". They will just learn to be afraid of you when you pick them up, as if to put them in front of their mess. Cats arent anything like dogs apparently.
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
Everyone that has posted about spaying-
You have eased my fears about her going through the pain, and I think I may look into it next week.
Thanks for your input!!
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