Gradual Downward Spiral:
Originally Posted by ckblv
The day they took God and prayer out of the schools was the day our country started its' gradual downward spiral. We see it everywhere in all kinds of ways.
Prayer was taken out of the schools because of 1 woman, an atheist, Madeline Murry O'Hare. She was later murdered.
This country is a country without morals and it is sad.
Jesus wants us to believe in him and receive eternal life.
There is a lot worse things we could teach our children. Why are atheists so afraid of God?
First a clarification, it is teacher/staff led prayer at a Public School which is not allowed but prayer during the students own free time is allowed. It is something which some people including some schools, misunderstand as seen in the cases brought by ACLU to support the right of the students.
School prayer was taken out in 1962-63, let us examine the situation from Independence to 1962 (Pre 62) and the Present Day (2005). Some Facts:Slavery:Pre 62
Slavery was widely accepted by many in the early days of the nation.2005
Slavery is outlawed and rejected by most save a few religious groups.Vote:Pre 62
Women and Non-whites are not allowed to vote or if the vote is allowed there are laws present which effectively prevents voting by non-whites.2005
Universal voting by all citizensSegregation:Pre 62
It was the law with separate schools, public facilities, etc.2005
Segregation is outlawed
I would assume Prayer means a Christian Prayer, how would you feel if the teacher were to lead the students in a Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, etc prayer?Atheist and God:
As mentioned earlier, the phrase "Under God" is only relevant to the Abrahamic Religions, Christianity, Islam, Jewish. There are many other religions where there is no concept of the Single God.
And even if the person is a Christian, it does not mean that they support mixing religion and the state.Country without Morality
The underlying assumption is that there was morality in the past and presumably at a time where school prayer was allowed which is pre 1962.
The questions to ask then would be:
Is segregation, slavery, lynching and racism moral?
How moral is a society that allows such things?Religion and Morality:
Religion is separate and distinct from Morality.
There are some people who are very religious and yet most people in society would view them as immoral, for example groups such as Christian Identity which promotes the idea that only Whites can go the heaven while the rest of the people to hell.
Then there are people who are do not subscribe to religion and yet turn out to be a major philanthropist such as Andrew Carnegie, who once said ""I donâ€™t believe in God. My god is patriotism" which to some extent shows that religion and patriotism are very separate matters.Madeline Murry O'Hare:
I do not know why she was brought into the question and wonder about why is there a need to mentioned she was murdered, is there some implicit thing you are trying to suggest?