Innova EVO/Do you trust it?

moggiegirl · Sep 14, 2005

We've been taught by vets not to feed kitten food to adult cats because of fear that the excess nutrients would overwork the kidneys and lead to kidney disease. Well compare Innova EVO to kitten foods.

Innova EVO has 50% protein and 22% fat and 542 calories per cup.
Natural Choice complete Care kitten has 35% protein and 21% fat.
Iams kitten has 34% protein, 22% fat and 468 calories per cup.

According to the Encyclopedia of the Cat by Bruce Fogle DVM adult cats need 30-45% protein and 10-30% fat. Growing kittens need 35-50% protien and 17-35% fat. That would make Innova EVO exceed the maximum protein requirement for adult cats and kitten food barely meeting the minimum protein requirements for a kitten but just right for an adult cat. This is all very confusing. What do you think of this. And do you trust Innova, EVO? I'm not so sure. It breaks the rules completely.

straykat · Sep 14, 2005

Very interesting

avocado · Sep 14, 2005

my only real beef with EVO is that on the package it says that EVO is comparable to a raw diet. but the stuff is cooked, so it is IMO in no way comparable to a raw diet. cooked does not equal raw.... grain free or not. so yes, i do mistrust the company because of the false information that is printed on the package.

i am curious as to what others will say about the protien content. might be worth a call to the company to ask them what their take is on the subject.

sharky · Sep 14, 2005

Originally Posted by Avocado

my only real beef with EVO is that on the package it says that EVO is comparable to a raw diet. but the stuff is cooked, so it is IMO in no way comparable to a raw diet. cooked does not equal raw.... grain free or not. so yes, i do mistrust the company because of the false information that is printed on the package.

i am curious as to what others will say about the protien content.

I was curious so i tried it with my young adult Zoey... She is a Bengal cross and just kept growing... well I slowly mixed it ... she heved hairballs and had diarrea through out those try out weeks.. I put her back on kitten and adult , no problems she has decided to wean herself off kitten food

at about 18- 19 months .. i give my other cat raw food a few times a week as well as my dog and they love it Zoey prefers natural choice and feline cavier dry and a teaspoon wet a day... she is weird..

The vets i talked to thought it was out of line.... i think if it was a freeze dried food then it would be okay but not a cooked fully food..

maratwc · Sep 14, 2005

I was going to try it this last time when I went to the pet store. The night before I was googling around on it and found this forum talking about it. http://www.pets.ca/forum/archive/index.php/t-19043.html I know you can't rely on everything online being the gospel truth, but it raised enough questions about it I didn't buy it this time.

On edit, someone slap me. That forum is about dog food. While there is probably a lot of common ground, there are also plenty of differences to keep in mind. Will the search for the perfect cat food ever end?

sharky · Sep 14, 2005

that was an intresting debate

about the dog Evo .... I have tried nearly every good food with Gigi my yorkie and she does best on Nutros natural choice senior mixed with natural balences venison and br rice .... I got a sample of evo for her and she liked but garlic is 10th ingrediant I have been set strait that aint good... lol I read the senior it is like 20th but still there any ideas

sorry to hijack

pat · Sep 14, 2005

Originally Posted by moggiegirl

We've been taught by vets not to feed kitten food to adult cats because of fear that the excess nutrients would overwork the kidneys and lead to kidney disease. Well compare Innova EVO to kitten foods.

Innova EVO has 50% protein and 22% fat and 542 calories per cup.
Natural Choice complete Care kitten has 35% protein and 21% fat.
Iams kitten has 34% protein, 22% fat and 468 calories per cup.

According to the Encyclopedia of the Cat by Bruce Fogle DVM adult cats need 30-45% protein and 10-30% fat. Growing kittens need 35-50% protien and 17-35% fat. That would make Innova EVO exceed the maximum protein requirement for adult cats and kitten food barely meeting the minimum protein requirements for a kitten but just right for an adult cat. This is all very confusing. What do you think of this. And do you trust Innova, EVO? I'm not so sure. It breaks the rules completely.

Yes, I do trust it. It is following a more natural diet for cats in terms of their being obligate carnivores who need animal based protein, and not a grain filled carby kibble.

I think if you hear from any of the raw diet folks, you'll hear no disagreements from them re per centage of protein

Here is an excellent article on feline nutrition (but lengthy): click here
from my own experience with cats in kidney failure, it is not a lower protein diet that I concerned with finding, it is one lower in phosphorus that I would shoot for in a healthy kitty with functioning kidneys as a preventative, but that is just my opinion, not based on any articles I can quote.

Here is another very interesting site (though I do not feed raw, I believe it also allows for homecooked diets):click here

my 2 cents,

scamperfarms · Sep 14, 2005

Originally Posted by sharky

that was an intresting debate

about the dog Evo .... I have tried nearly every good food with Gigi my yorkie and she does best on Nutros natural choice senior mixed with natural balences venison and br rice .... I got a sample of evo for her and she liked but garlic is 10th ingrediant I have been set strait that aint good... lol I read the senior it is like 20th but still there any ideas

sorry to hijack

Have you tried Bil Jac? They make a Senior. I have a 1lb sample pack in the car you could have...if you wanted

heres the ingrident list

Fresh Chicken, Fresh Chicken By-Products (Organ Meat Only), Oatmeal, Corn, Fresh Chicken Liver, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Brewers Dried Yeast, Cane Molasses, Eggs, Salt, Sodium Propionate (a preservative), DL-Methionine, L-Lysine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin, Biotin, Choline Chloride, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), BHA (a preservative), Vitamin B12 Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Manganous Oxide, Inositol, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Cobalt Carbonate, Potassium Iodine, Sodium Selenite.

moggiegirl · Sep 14, 2005

Originally Posted by Pat & Alix

Yes, I do trust it. It is following a more natural diet for cats in terms of their being obligate carnivores who need animal based protein, and not a grain filled carby kibble.

I think if you hear from any of the raw diet folks, you'll hear no disagreements from them re per centage of protein

Here is an excellent article on feline nutrition (but lengthy): click here
from my own experience with cats in kidney failure, it is not a lower protein diet that I concerned with finding, it is one lower in phosphorus that I would shoot for in a healthy kitty with functioning kidneys as a preventative, but that is just my opinion, not based on any articles I can quote.

Here is another very interesting site (though I do not feed raw, I believe it also allows for homecooked diets):click here

my 2 cents,

In that case, it should be ok to give adult cats kitten food since kitten food has more protein than adult cat food but much less than Innova EVO, right?

catguy · Sep 14, 2005

catguy · Sep 14, 2005

that is not the maximum. That vet is wrong. Natural prey is 60%+ protein, and the rest fat. And they dont need any carbs. That vet suggests 25% should be carbs since max fat + prot he suggests equals 75%. Not very credible at all. Get the Innova one. And try to feed wet, not dry. Many illnesses are caused by feeding dry food. Wet is much closer to what nature intended.

sharky · Sep 14, 2005

Originally Posted by catguy

that is not the maximum. That vet is wrong. Natural prey is 60%+ protein, and the rest fat. Get the Innova one. And try to feed wet, not dry. Many illnesses are caused by feeding dry food. Wet is much closer to what nature intended.

I do agree on that ... wet work s much better than dry

moggiegirl · Sep 14, 2005

So what I would like to know is why are we told not to feed kitten food to adult cats when the average kitten food is only 34% protein?

amaruuk · Sep 14, 2005

Read this and found it really interesting. Does anyone have any more links to articles or research on the effects of kitten food on an adult cat (as my pansy is insisting on eating kitten food).

i'm a wee bit concerned.

pat · Sep 14, 2005

Originally Posted by moggiegirl

In that case, it should be ok to give adult cats kitten food since kitten food has more protein than adult cat food but much less than Innova EVO, right?

I sense you would like a good debate...not good at that. Food formulated for kittens has far more different with it than protein or fat content. Kittens have different nutritional needs re vitamins and minerals, and all of that is part of what is different in a kitten formula versus an adult.

So, no, I wouldn't use that logic to justify feeding an adult cat a 'formulated' for kittens food, unless that cat was pregnant or nursing.

pat · Sep 14, 2005

Originally Posted by moggiegirl

So what I would like to know is why are we told not to feed kitten food to adult cats when the average kitten food is only 34% protein?

Please see my reply, just posted.

pat · Sep 14, 2005

Originally Posted by Amaruuk

Read this and found it really interesting. Does anyone have any more links to articles or research on the effects of kitten food on an adult cat (as my pansy is insisting on eating kitten food).

i'm a wee bit concerned.

Ooh...I love Boulder, lived there many, many moons ago. Back to topic though

If you are concerned, what I would do is change to a "formulated for kittens and adults" food, this way neither is getting a food inappropriate for them.

amaruuk · Sep 14, 2005

yeah, Boulder is awesome. reminds me so much of canada (originally from toronto).

and thank you for the reply. i was doing some reading and got a little scared that i was hurting pansy by letting her eat the kitten food. stubborn lil thing won't eat her adult food if the kitten food is around.

i'll look around for both kitten & adult food tonight. though neither of them will eat canned, only pouched soft food. spoiled little things they are.

thanks again

moggiegirl · Sep 14, 2005

I really wasn't trying to start a big debate. I was just trying to understand this a bit better. And I'm sorry if my question got repeated. I was having difficulty posting and didn't see my reply on the forum right away.

That makes sense about kittens having different vitamin and mineral requirements than adult cats. Now I'm wondering just out of curiosity, not trying to start a debate, which foods are better, the ones for all life stages or the ones that are specific to each cat's life stage? It's not for me personally. My cats have their specific diets. I just get curious about these things and want to know more. And the protein differences between kitten food and Innova EVO had me wondering since I've never seen a dry cat food with that much protein before.

I know wet is better. I feed both dry and canned to my cats.

pat · Sep 14, 2005

Well now you see why I'd be horrid in a debate, if I can't even tell when there is one

It was a good question - I wish I knew more than I do!
Personally, I would prefer knowing I had a kitten formula versus a for kittens and cats, but when someone has a problem getting their kitten to eat it, I always suggest this as a decent compromise

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