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Baby in stroller stabbed on New York street

post #1 of 25
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I as a rule, don't swear - I will make an exception: :censor::censor::censor:?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/08/bab....ap/index.html
post #2 of 25
I think that the history of psychiatric problems sums it up in this case.

:censor::censor::censor:? is right.
post #3 of 25
This is so sad. What is the world coming to?
post #4 of 25
Makes me want to lock my girls up in a protective bubble and keep them forever!!
post #5 of 25
Oh for goodness sake! What is WRONG with people???
post #6 of 25
I really don't think people like this should be loose on the streets. And the old argument "I forgot to take my meds" just doens't cut it for violent mentally ill people. Lock him up.
post #7 of 25
That is too simplistic a way of looking at it.
Mentally ill people generally don't say they "forgot" to take their meds. There are many factors for one not taking their meds on a regular basis.
Ie, Most schizophrenics have a very hard time maintaining their meds because of their break from reality. They are generally too confused to take their meds or are suspicious that they are being poisoned by friends, family, doctors.

And you can't just "lock them up". For one, you may not have a previous indication of violence and there simply isn't the space to do so on a permanent basis (not to mention the human rights complications). Those who self harm or attempt harm on others or mention harm to others or attempt suicide or even voice a serious threat of it are "locked up" for an observation period. But its simply not realistic to do so "permanently".
post #8 of 25
I just got back from a domestic violence fatality review in which a father shot his 2-year-old in the face (twice!), killing him (as well as his wife).
The father was schizophrenic and later hung himself in the county jail.
I didn't read this article b/c I don't think I can stand any more sadness today, but may God bless all of the poor babies (and adults) that die such tragic deaths.
post #9 of 25
O___o
post #10 of 25
This isn't so much about mental illness as it is about greed according to the NY Post. That monster was after a gold chain the baby was wearing.
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by consumercity
This isn't so much about mental illness as it is about greed according to the NY Post. That monster was after a gold chain the baby was wearing.
Thank you, I will now, officially, change that to --- String him up.
post #12 of 25
thats some freaky stuff
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
I didn't read this article b/c I don't think I can stand any more sadness today, but may God bless all of the poor babies (and adults) that die such tragic deaths.
I'll second that.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
I just got back from a domestic violence fatality review in which a father shot his 2-year-old in the face (twice!), killing him (as well as his wife).
The father was schizophrenic and later hung himself in the county jail.
I didn't read this article b/c I don't think I can stand any more sadness today, but may God bless all of the poor babies (and adults) that die such tragic deaths.

I did read it because with the sadness in my life right now I have to reassure (wrong word, can't think of another) myself that I do not have it that bad. I want to cry and scream and throw things, but this sobers me.

This, Hurricane Katrina, and the many other terrible stories makes me remember my problems are small in this world and that makes me remember my compassion~

So thank you Amy, that is what this post really is, a thank you, for all the things you deal with and see on a daily basis and you come out strong. I know, off topic, but forgive me please.

Amy deserves recongnition for what she does, and so sadly this has to relate, I would be afraid to stand and do what she does. for Amy!
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by consumercity
This isn't so much about mental illness as it is about greed according to the NY Post. That monster was after a gold chain the baby was wearing.
The New York Post is the trashiest newspaper in New York...ask any New Yorker and
you'll get the same response, unless of course they read that trash. They are the typical if it bleeds it leads newspaper and if they don't have a juicy murder story, a sex story will do just as well. It's a shame the paper's glory days as a decent paper ended in the mid 1970s. Schizophrenics can be a greedy as anyone else but the blame belongs on those who should have had him hospitalized if he was in that bad of shape...they dropped the ball, and our government dropped a HUGE ball when it cut funding, which forced mental hospitals, especially state hospitals to close their doors forever.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Schizophrenics can be a greedy as anyone else but the blame belongs on those who should have had him hospitalized if he was in that bad of shape...they dropped the ball, and our government dropped a HUGE ball when it cut funding, which forced mental hospitals, especially state hospitals to close their doors forever.
Such a sad story.

I would have to agree that it's largely the government's fault in allowing the mentally ill to fall through the cracks of society. If more current facilities and proper treatment was made more accessible, the mentally ill would be allowed to live more dignified and productive lives.

There is some good news on the horizon in Canadian funding for services and programs for the mentally ill and those with addictions. I will create a new thread to share the information -- to prove it's not so much about the ill person, but how society handles those with mental illness.

Ignorance is still largely prevalent when it comes to knowledge about mental illness. And I admit to being one of those people, until I finally admitted to myself that I too had an illness that could no longer go untreated.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
The New York Post is the trashiest newspaper in New York...ask any New Yorker and
you'll get the same response, unless of course they read that trash. They are the typical if it bleeds it leads newspaper and if they don't have a juicy murder story, a sex story will do just as well. It's a shame the paper's glory days as a decent paper ended in the mid 1970s. Schizophrenics can be a greedy as anyone else but the blame belongs on those who should have had him hospitalized if he was in that bad of shape...they dropped the ball, and our government dropped a HUGE ball when it cut funding, which forced mental hospitals, especially state hospitals to close their doors forever.
Schizophrenic or not, he can should be prosecuted and convicted for this.
Mental illness doesn't mean one can avoid prosecution.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by consumercity
This isn't so much about mental illness as it is about greed according to the NY Post. That monster was after a gold chain the baby was wearing.

i've not seen a gold chain mentioned on any other news site but the post's...
post #19 of 25
How awful! I don't see how anyone could do that.
post #20 of 25
That poor baby and the nanny. May god be with the baby and family.
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by elizwithcat
Schizophrenic or not, he can should be prosecuted and convicted for this.
Mental illness doesn't mean one can avoid prosecution.
It shouldn't get to the point in society where a person in this state should be falling through the cracks in the support system so that their only opportunity for receiving help remains in a psychiatric jail after the
fact.

Assuming this guy is schizophrenic,however , there is one problem: Schizophrenics often resist many types of help , whether that be in a hospital setting , a community setting or taking their meds.
Its the nature of that specific illness to be out of touch with reality that your delusions, feelings of persecution or hallucinations cause you to be suspicious or wary of the outside world.

A high percentage of schizophrenics are homeless and go on to commit suicide for these reasons.
post #22 of 25
I was notified by private message that my post was edited for inopropriate language b/c I used the word "fre*k" to describe the guy who did this. This just blew me away!

I was also informed that my post hurt a few people. I do not see anything wrong with my description of him (I also said that he is mentally disturbed) I looked up the definition for the word fre*k and this is what I found....

1.A thing or occurrence that is markedly unusual or irregular: A freak of nature produced the midsummer snow.
2.An abnormally formed organism, especially a person or animal regarded as a curiosity or monstrosity.

I personally have found words on this site used to describe situations similar to this (in posts) alot worse than the word or words I used to describe this "person" .

But I am a person of respect so I say to whoever I hurt by calling this man a "mentally disturbed fre*k" I am sorry.

~SARAH~
post #23 of 25
[quote=Big-Cat-Fan]I was notified by private message that my post was edited for inopropriate language b/c I used the word "fre*k" to describe the guy who did this. This just blew me away!

I was also informed that my post hurt a few people. I do not see anything wrong with my description of him (I also said that he is mentally disturbed) I looked up the definition for the word fre*k and this is what I found....

1.A thing or occurrence that is markedly unusual or irregular: A freak of nature produced the midsummer snow.
2.An abnormally formed organism, especially a person or animal regarded as a curiosity or monstrosity.

I personally have found words on this site used to describe situations similar to this (in posts) alot worse than the word or words I used to describe this "person"

Apology accepted. The dictionary does not come near the everyday usage of the word freak, and how people use it. We no longer use the term "deaf, dumb and blind", nor do we call people that are deaf, unable to talk, and blind freaks. Certainly by your dictionary freak would apply, but its usage in archaic, besides being downright rude. By the dictionary diabetics are freaks. people with cancer are freaks...I don't think so.

I am on a mission in this life to wipe out the derogatory terms given to people who are mentally ill. Nut job, off his rocker, lunatic are just a few words, a mere drop in the bucket of words that insult the mentally ill. Do you notice how we don't have similar words for people with heart disease, cancer, psoriasis? Mental illness is just another physical illness, the last I checked the brain (the source of mental illnesses) is a part of the body as much as your gall bladder is. Okay off my soap box, but I will not rest when it comes to this...even if it means getting thrown off this site.
post #24 of 25
I have no sympathy for anyone who would do something like that to anyone...let alone a baby. What is happening to our world that people are that greedy!!
post #25 of 25
[quote=Mom of Franz]
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Originally Posted by Big-Cat-Fan
I was notified by private message that my post was edited for inopropriate language b/c I used the word "fre*k" to describe the guy who did this. This just blew me away!

I was also informed that my post hurt a few people. I do not see anything wrong with my description of him (I also said that he is mentally disturbed) I looked up the definition for the word fre*k and this is what I found....

1.A thing or occurrence that is markedly unusual or irregular: A freak of nature produced the midsummer snow.
2.An abnormally formed organism, especially a person or animal regarded as a curiosity or monstrosity.

I personally have found words on this site used to describe situations similar to this (in posts) alot worse than the word or words I used to describe this "person"

Apology accepted. The dictionary does not come near the everyday usage of the word freak, and how people use it. We no longer use the term "deaf, dumb and blind", nor do we call people that are deaf, unable to talk, and blind freaks. Certainly by your dictionary freak would apply, but its usage in archaic, besides being downright rude. By the dictionary diabetics are freaks. people with cancer are freaks...I don't think so.

I am on a mission in this life to wipe out the derogatory terms given to people who are mentally ill. Nut job, off his rocker, lunatic are just a few words, a mere drop in the bucket of words that insult the mentally ill. Do you notice how we don't have similar words for people with heart disease, cancer, psoriasis? Mental illness is just another physical illness, the last I checked the brain (the source of mental illnesses) is a part of the body as much as your gall bladder is. Okay off my soap box, but I will not rest when it comes to this...even if it means getting thrown off this site.

Ohhhh..... I now see what you "think" I meant.
I WOULD NEVER make fun of someone. But this guy just made me sick reading what he did.
And I have NEVER heard the word freak used towards anyone with a sickness. I know mental illness is a sickness.
But I also want you to know that I have never and never will use the word freak towards people who are sick and have not done anything wrong.
This man on the other hand, I thought deserved the word. He did try to kill an innocent, helpless baby.
And honestly, if it were allowed, I actually had alot worse words than freak for him.
Please, on my part, try and understand the difference.
The word freak to me... is used for bad people only. Not sick people.
Thats why I said a freak (a bad person) who happens to be mentally ill. I never said he is a freak because he is mentally ill.
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