Originally Posted by elizwithcat
No, I am not that old, but it wasn't in US. I have never said that people who breed animals are by definition responsible (and do excuse me if I make a mistake in spelling now and then, it's hard to spell in a non-native language).
And I am not advocating that this person adopted from a rescue or shelter. I am advocating he/she looked for a better breeder that doesn't cage their cats, would give her a health guarantee, and would be there in a long run, if the cat dies/gets sick with a genetic problem. I have bought two persian cats from a breeder, and even have a book " Your purebred kitten". Everything described by the original poster about this breeder is a "no-no". I fail to undestand why some of the breeders here would advocate the poster would buy these kittens.
I was not aware that you were not writing in a native language. After all, I've seen worse spelling from Americans.
But I think we have been, as Gaye said, talking about two different things. You have been making this discussion, which was originally a question about purchasing a Burmese or Burmilla kitten, into a discussion about good vs. bad breeders and have not been able to see that the kittens described by the original poster were NOT being sold by a breeder - they were being sold FOR an elderly woman who should not have been breeding and who apparently needed help from someone else in getting a home for the resulting kittens. No one is advocating that the woman buy a kitten from this source. What we are doing is correcting misconceptions about animal husbandry.
I have no idea where people get the idea that caging kittens is something a "bad" breeder does. Most breeders have the common sense to realize that queens and kittens must be caged for their own safety and health's sake. Would the same people who think that mothers and kittens should be allowed to run around a house unsupervised also think that it was OK to allow toddlers (since this is what kittens are) to run unsupervised around a person's house or out in public?
I think, although Gaye has not pointed this out, that it should be noted that kittens cannot even regulate their own body temperature until they are about 3 weeks of age. Furthermore, they do not have a developed immune system until they are about one year in age. In addition, mothers will take small kittens and hide them all over the house if they are not confined with the babies, and little kittens can be stepped on and killed, rolled over on in bed, etc., etc., etc. I know a woman who caused a serious hernia in a 7-week old kitten by accidentally stepping on it as it ran under her feet. I've also have known of a kitten which broke its neck because it had climbed on top of a high piece of furniture and fallen before the person could get over to the area to catch the kitten.
There is nothing about caging which will make a kitten unsocialized. Lack of socialization comes from lack of attention and lack of handling of kittens - not the fact that they are confined to a cage until they are old enough to be allowed to safely run around in a house. It is generally only rank newbies or BYBs who advertise kittens as being "raised underfoot". Newbies do this because they think there is something wrong about caging as they read posts from people who don't understand the practice, and BYBs do it because the public mistakenly believes that a kitten can't be socialized if it is confined.
This is why, as this is the Breeders Forum, discussions are best left to actual breeders. If the pet-owning populace has questions they wish answered - such as why kittens might be caged - they could then learn
from the breeders rather than chiming in and stating unequivocably that there is something wrong about practices employed by breeders when the pet owners know nothing about raising healthy, socialized kittens or the practice of feline husbandry.